WTF..Phoenix traffic cameras

[SAWYER]

I was in Phoenix last month and had a rental car for the week. I open the mail to find two speeding tickets issued at one minute apart. What a revenue generating scheme that is.

 

[jamesbond007]

I was in Phoenix last month and had a rental car for the week. I open the mail to find two speeding tickets issued at one minute apart. What a revenue generating scheme that is.

Don't speed? It's really not that difficult.

 

[olds]

If the ticket isn't from the courts and it is from a private company, google "snitch ticket".

 

[Gibson486]

Welcome to today's system. I wish you luck in fighting it. You are just gonna get a judge that says "the machine is never wrong".

 

[Proprioceptive]

Don't speed? It's really not that difficult.

THIS.

While I don't agree with some of the schemes cities are coming up with lately, every bit of the frustration can be avoided by simply *gasp* obeying the law...

 

[MotF Bane]

I was in Phoenix last month and had a rental car for the week. I open the mail to find two speeding tickets issued at one minute apart. What a revenue generating scheme that is.

That's what speed limits really are about.

 

[Anubis]

pay the fine & get on with your life

 

[Juddog]

Don't do the crime if you can't pay the fine.

 

[Slick5150]

Ahh.. These threads always inspire the self righteous to come out in droves. Like they've never gone over the speed limit.

 

[mmntech]

Depends how much over you were actually going. Some of these things are set at a ridiculously low trip point. Makes them a cash cow. That's why photo-radar was scrapped in Ontario.

I say fight it. Deters these programs because the city is forced cough up cash to fight them in court.

 

[jlee]

Last I checked, unless they're served by a law enforcement officer, they're not valid. YMMV.

I got flashed by one when I was going 61-63mph in a 65 zone. Go figure. Never received a ticket, though.

 

[Newbian]

Just another way the machines are taking over humanity.

 

[rivan]

Ahh.. These threads always inspire the self righteous to come out in droves. Like they've never gone over the speed limit.

No, we just don't whine when we get caught.

 

[blackdogdeek]

OP, i just have one question: will you be more likely to drive slower the next time you're in phoenix?

 

[SearchMaster]

Did anyone read the OP? I don't see that he's even complaining about getting *A* speeding ticket, but two during the same "speed run" is ridiculous.

What if a trooper had clocked him 10 times before he slowed down, should he get 10 tickets?

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Did anyone read the OP? I don't see that he's even complaining about getting *A* speeding ticket, but two during the same "speed run" is ridiculous.

What if a trooper had clocked him 10 times before he slowed down, should he get 10 tickets?

In theory all the cameras here in AZ have these lights that flash once VERY brightly when they catch you. Unless the sun is very low on the horizon you should easily be able to notice them.

But yes, still lame.

 

[imagoon]

Last I checked, unless they're served by a law enforcement officer, they're not valid. YMMV.

I got flashed by one when I was going 61-63mph in a 65 zone. Go figure. Never received a ticket, though.

Sounds like the stupid red light cams around here. Stop at the line. Stupid thing flashes. They seem to take pictures of the people turning left across the intersection, people driving by in cross traffic etc. Stupid when you have to go in and refute a ticket in traffic court where even the stupid ticket they mail you shows 3 pictures of your car sitting at the (behind) line but the machine says you blew the light at 30 mph, 45 seconds in to the red...

 

[jlee]

Sounds like the stupid red light cams around here. Stop at the line. Stupid thing flashes. They seem to take pictures of the people turning left across the intersection, people driving by in cross traffic etc. Stupid when you have to go in and refute a ticket in traffic court where even the stupid ticket they mail you shows 3 pictures of your car sitting at the (behind) line but the machine says you blew the light at 30 mph, 45 seconds in to the red...

Yep.

I can't help but wonder where speed cameras fall under the whole due process issue...if you take it to court, who's the witness? If someone was monitoring the cameras, I'd understand that - but a strictly autonomous system blindly issuing tickets doesn't seem right.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence

Then again, we don't have speed/red light cameras here so I've never had to look into it.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

I was in Phoenix last month and had a rental car for the week. I open the mail to find two speeding tickets issued at one minute apart. What a revenue generating scheme that is.

How can someone be speeding in two separate incidents within the same minute? 1/4 mile playing? :awe:

 

[lxskllr]

No, we just don't whine when we get caught.

So what's the cutoff distance to prevent double jeopardy? 1 mile, 1/2 mile, 100', 10', 10"....

 

[olds]

Yep.

I can't help but wonder where speed cameras fall under the whole due process issue...if you take it to court, who's the witness? If someone was monitoring the cameras, I'd understand that - but a strictly autonomous system blindly issuing tickets doesn't seem right.



Then again, we don't have speed/red light cameras here so I've never had to look into it.

About 4 years ago, I got one in the mail. It was issued by a private company and not the court. I threw it away and have never heard anything about it.

 

[Crusty]

About 4 years ago, I got one in the mail. It was issued by a private company and not the court. I threw it away and have never heard anything about it.

Snitch tickets are evil. :thumbsdown:

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Yep.

I can't help but wonder where speed cameras fall under the whole due process issue...if you take it to court, who's the witness? If someone was monitoring the cameras, I'd understand that - but a strictly autonomous system blindly issuing tickets doesn't seem right.



Then again, we don't have speed/red light cameras here so I've never had to look into it.

Traffic court isn't criminal court. So the burden of proof is much lower. In traffic court, the officer is assumed to be telling the truth and the defendant is assumed to be lieing. The only people who I've ever heard getting off traffic tickets have done so due to technicalities.

A few places skirted the issue regarding cameras simply by changing the law from a criminal one to a tort.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Traffic court isn't criminal court. So the burden of proof is much lower. In traffic court, the officer is assumed to be telling the truth and the defendant is assumed to be lieing. The only people who I've ever heard getting off traffic tickets have done so due to technicalities.

A few places skirted the issue regarding cameras simply by changing the law from a criminal one to a tort.

Not necessarily. A friend of mine got two obviously wrong tickets from a young cop who was in a bad mood, and he got both of them dismissed. It helped that one of the two tickets was issued for a one-way violation when all he did was turn from a two-way street onto another two-way street.

Then again, that wasn't even in court, it was a pre-trial hearing or something, so the cop wasn't even there. They didn't even argue it, he just told the judge what happened and before he could get out his diagrams the judge had already thrown it out.

 

[Aharami]

Ahh.. These threads always inspire the self righteous to come out in droves. Like they've never gone over the speed limit.

QFT. in threads like this everyone just magically ends up on a horse, a la old spice guy