WTF? Now the WSJ is publishing "Brown Bailout" Spam??

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halik

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Ha awesome,
whoever Fedex retained to manage this situation is owning UPS. UPS Lobbyists getting owned by Fedex PR people... poetic justice i suppose?

Joining the group btw; I ship exclusively via fedex and certainly I'm not interested in having my packages stuck in limbo when fedex bumblefuck local 3242 decides not to work. F dat noise.
 
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MotF Bane

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A company with a union attached is seeking to get the government to hurt their competition because they can't. Gold!

In a side note, I think I'll use FedEx more often.
 
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halik

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Turin39789 said:
fedex, clearly an airline and not a shipping company
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if you toss the headline into google, you can get the whole article. The law was created so that unions can't paralyze the whole economy by striking, which makes sense. If anything UPS should in there as well, though I'm not sure how much overnight/airfrieght they actually do.
 
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PaperclipGod

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Good god, even anandtech is being invaded.

The government forced the union upon UPS to begin with. FedEx didn't get the same treatment because they were classified as an airline. However, you're a retard if you think FedEx actually operates as an airline and UPS only drives trucks. UPS ships using every conceivable form of transportation across the world -- just like FedEx.

Either get rid of unions completely, or force the same restrictions on both competitors.

FFS...
 
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MotF Bane

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PaperclipGod said:
Good god, even anandtech is being invaded.

The government forced the union upon UPS to begin with. FedEx didn't get the same treatment because they were classified as an airline. However, you're a retard if you think FedEx actually operates as an airline and UPS only drives trucks. UPS ships using every conceivable form of transportation across the world -- just like FedEx.

Either get rid of unions completely, or force the same restrictions on both competitors.

FFS...
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Per the WSJ article, FedEx uses 85% air, and UPS uses 85% trucking.

However, your options at the end are completely flawed.
 
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Vette73

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The real problem is Fed-Ex took care of its people so they did not form a union. UPS on the other hand went the low road and now they have what they have due to their own way of doing things.

Many people don’t form unions because the company takes care of its people. Toyota, Nissan, and other foreign automakers setup shop in the US and went the high road. They take care of their people and even pay them more then Union members at Ford/GM at some places so they have not formed a Union as it’s not needed.

Take care of your people now or they will take care of you later.

So F-you UPS
 
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Just Stop It, Marlin 1975. Quit talking sense. Unions are just an evil communist plot to deprive the investor class of their God-given right to crush workers under their boot heels...
 
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PaperclipGod said:
Just like Wal-Mart takes care of its employees, so thats why they havent formed a union?
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Sorry but I know of at least 1 wal-mart and 1 sams club that had unions in them. Wal-Mart choose to close the entire store down/fire entire crew. Now if there is even a hint of Union support they send in Union busters to the stores to hold weekly and somtimes daily meetings to make sure it does not happen anymore.
 
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PaperclipGod

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Marlin1975 said:
Sorry but I know of at least 1 wal-mart and 1 sams club that had unions in them. Wal-Mart choose to close the entire store down/fire entire crew. Now if there is even a hint of Union support they send in Union busters to the stores to hold weekly and somtimes daily meetings to make sure it does not happen anymore.
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That's the point, dude.

They make more money without a union. If wal-mart unionized, their prices would go up, and they wouldn't be as competitive against other retailers.

It's not a matter of UPS loving unions, it's that they were forced upon them by labor laws... and FedEx has managed to escape the same pitfall only by a loophole in how their business is categorized.
 
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MotF Bane

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PaperclipGod said:
That's the point, dude.

They make more money without a union. If wal-mart unionized, their prices would go up, and they wouldn't be as competitive against other retailers.

It's not a matter of UPS loving unions, it's that they were forced upon them by labor laws... and FedEx has managed to escape the same pitfall only by a loophole in how their business is categorized.
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If UPS hates that so much, then they should be lobbying to get the laws changed that affect them, rather than lobbying to hamstring FedEx.
 
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MotF Bane said:
If UPS hates that so much, then they should be lobbying to get the laws changed that affect them, rather than lobbying to hamstring FedEx.
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Were you born yesterday? How are you this clueless about the history of unionized labor in this country?

The modern democratic party was been built upon Labor and sticking up for "the common man". You really think it's just a matter of UPS saying "hey politicians, not sure if you noticed, but unions kinda sux for us -- how 'bout we get rid of them?"

The bizarre part is that so many of you are open to the idea of preventing FedEx workers from unionizing when the views on Anandtech tends to skew so heavily democratic. I'd love it if UPS got to kick its union out... but that seems about as likely as Republicans trying to ban handguns.
 
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halik said:
Ha awesome,
whoever Fedex retained to manage this situation is owning UPS. UPS Lobbyists getting owned by Fedex PR people... poetic justice i suppose?

Joining the group btw; I ship exclusively via fedex and certainly I'm not interested in having my packages stuck in limbo when fedex bumblefuck local 3242 decides not to work. F dat noise.
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I like your attitude. F UPS for not delivering on Saturday. It's worse than sad. Unions suck.
 
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halik

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Marlin1975 said:
Sorry but I know of at least 1 wal-mart and 1 sams club that had unions in them. Wal-Mart choose to close the entire store down/fire entire crew. Now if there is even a hint of Union support they send in Union busters to the stores to hold weekly and somtimes daily meetings to make sure it does not happen anymore.
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You see something wrong with that?

The problem with the local unionization is that it has national reach. If the Fedex sorting facility local XX decides to strike, it will paralyze their whole supply chain (rather than just the local area).
 
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halik

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Narmer said:
I like your attitude. F UPS for not delivering on Saturday. It's worse than sad. Unions suck.
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Honestly Saturday delivery doesn't really bother me either; it's the possibility of my stuff being stuck half way to the destination while the carrier unions are striking for more money. Reliability is what I need.
 
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halik said:
Honestly Saturday delivery doesn't really bother me either; it's the possibility of my stuff being stuck half way to the destination while the carrier unions are striking for more money. Reliability is what I need.
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It bothers me because my SO and I work or school all week and we are home all day on the weekends. It would be really convenient if UPS realized that this is the norm and not everyone lives in a doorman building. I hate having to go to the far West side to pick up mail after getting home. They should just offer weekend delivery like Fedex or USPS do. By the way, wasn't the last time they went on strike was like 1997 or earlier?
 
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PaperclipGod said:
Wow.
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For those of us that don't see a conspiracy everywhere we look, please provide proof that FedEx is behind all of this just to get for some publicity that no one will even notice?

If you are just referring to the term "Brown-Bailout" then I see what you mean, I thought you meant the entire situation.
 
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Zorba

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Already read that, it is still UPS trying to push a law to screw over FedEx. So again are you referring to the whole law or just the term?

Plus, if you read YOUR link the only thing it says is that "bailout" isn't really the correct term, it does not say that the whole thing is made up.
 
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PaperclipGod

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Zorba said:
Already read that, it is still UPS trying to push a law to screw over FedEx. So again are you referring to the whole law or just the term?

Plus, if you read YOUR link the only thing it says is that "bailout" isn't really the correct term, it does not say that the whole thing is made up.
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Wow.
 
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