wtf moment in HOI 3

[mizzou]

so I play as argentina... predictably move towards axis, and then start hammering the southern continent. I get most of it except for brazil until the US army starts haggering me at my ports. I end up committing most of my troops to guard duty, then finally in 1943 Germany invades it's European neighbors and it slacks it up a bit on me.

I take a 450,000 strong army into the panama straights to work my way up and through mexico, except that damn US panama garrison slows me down just long enough for them to flood in by transport ....not hundreds of thousands, but MILLIONS of men!! WTF?

battle has raged on for about 3 years so far, and I've obviously been winning, yet I can't get my men onto the damn soil and beat the US army into the sea. I surrendered just to see what was going on, yep, look at those #'s!!! What's also impressive is that US is also landing a huge force in Germany at the same time. That's alot of manpower!

 

[Fox5]

On the official HOI3 forums, a lot of posts were being modded down due to how glitched this game is and how insane things happen.

Also, American and Russia basically control the game because of how many resources they have.

And there's no modeling of supply lines in the games, and CPU transports have unlimited range and fuel, so it makes huge invasions like that quite easy for the cpu. You might get lucky and have Japan launch a multi million man invasion against the US, or even Britain.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

The AI is completely incompetent at research and production. They pretty much base their research and production somewhat on their current theory/practical levels so they never research any doctrines and their unit builds are completely retarded. It's a huge problem because if their practical/theory in something goes down enough they will never research or build any of it, ever.

What you see here is probably you with some doctrines fighting american troups with low supply and absolutely no researched doctrines.

 

[microAmp]

I'm waiting for the 1.3 patch to be done before I try again, they currently have 1.3 RC#6 or #7, so hopefully not to much longer. It seems the supply issue has pretty much been fixed, except for Japan while in China, but the research stuff and AI from what I gather still needs work.

Almost thought you were this person:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=440873

After taking Columbia he hit barranquilla in Northern Columbia with 100,000 troops. The stacking penalty makes it very difficult on the AI. He took it, and the next 3 freaking years I was attacking that province with most of my army. What ensued was his constant depositing of divisions in that encircled province. I dont even know how many divisions I destroyed (when they lost org they could not retreat and were eliminated).

The AI kept putting huge numbers of divisiions in there to the point there was on average at least 200-450k troops there at all times. A huge airforce also based there and suffered penalties but still wipped my own airforce. I kept rotating out divisions for rest and most of the battle was 70-90% in my favor thanks to stacking penalties and supply problems. I could not stop him landing more troops (he kept wipping my navy).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/Poorlaggedman/epicbattleend.jpg

 

[Malak]

What is this, a more complex game of Risk?

 

[Fox5]

What is this, a more complex game of Risk?

That's basically what it is.

 

[Genx87]

Heh no supply lines? What were they thinking?

 

[ussfletcher]

The game is way to complex for me to play, I attempted for a few hours and couldn't get a damn thing done. From what I saw though, it should be really... really hard to beat the computers, they seem to cheat.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

The game is way to complex for me to play, I attempted for a few hours and couldn't get a damn thing done. From what I saw though, it should be really... really hard to beat the computers, they seem to cheat.

Actually the computer is pretty weak. It does not understand defense in depth or keeping reserves. If you can break through and exploit it you will always get massive gains. Combine that with the fact that the AI won't transfer forces from different theaters even if it's collapsing makes it so easy to exploit. For example if Germany is winning in Russia and the USA does a landing in the west it will never redeploy and troops there even if it could afford to redeploy 35 or 40 devisions it will only prioritize deployment of newly built divisions to that theater.

Also the AI does not understand concentration of force for offensive and exploitation of breakthroughs. If you just control all your divisions instead of using the theater/army group/army level AI you can easily destroy a significantly stronger enemy nation.

 

[CPA]

I commend you for even knowing how to play this game. I did the tutorials, looked over everything, started a game as Poland and within 10 minutes I was lost. I couldn't even tell who the allies were or the axis.

 

[Fox5]

I commend you for even knowing how to play this game. I did the tutorials, looked over everything, started a game as Poland and within 10 minutes I was lost. I couldn't even tell who the allies were or the axis.

As far as I could tell, the game basically plays itself and I always lose.

 

[exar333]

I was a huge fan of HOI2, but the glitchy nature of HOI3 has caused me to set this aside for a few more patches to come out...

 

[crownjules]

Heh no supply lines? What were they thinking?

I'm not sure why he said this. Supply lines are in the game but aren't working correctly right now. Supposedly the 1.3 patch fixes them.

What is this, a more complex game of Risk?

Don't even compare it to Risk. It's a strategic-level war simulation of the WW2 years. It's so much more complex that to say it's similar to Risk would mislead some people.

I commend you for even knowing how to play this game. I did the tutorials, looked over everything, started a game as Poland and within 10 minutes I was lost. I couldn't even tell who the allies were or the axis.

The tutorials are notoriously horrible. They're GUI primers that explain the various screens and data but provide no actual gameplay basics. This is pretty much par for the course for any Paradox Interactive game and as a result, every one of them has a very steep learning curve.

The best way to learn is trial by fire. Just start up the game and pick one of the major powers. Britain or Germany is best. They don't have to worry about resources like smaller nations and they are first into the war. Playing as the US, you have to wait around for awhile before you can meet the conditions to declare war.

That being said, once Paradox patches the game a few times they usually end up producing a quality product. It's just a struggle for the people that buy the game at or near release and have to put up with what is essentially a paid beta period.