WTF is wrong with the Palestinians?

[gunf1ghter]

From www.msnbc.com



<< PALESTINIAN GUNMEN STORM COURTROOM
In the West Bank city of Jenin on Tuesday, meanwhile, an angry mob led by about two dozen Palestinian gunmen and members of the security forces stormed a heavily guarded Palestinian courtroom and killed three defendants charged with a vigilante killing.
The three men?s slaying appeared to be part of a clan feud. They were killed in the court?s bathroom, where police hid them after the mob charged into the building, said a security official, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution.
The assailants pushed their way into the bathroom, pumped dozens of bullets into the defendants and dragged their bodies into the streets, shooting in the air in triumph, the security official said.
The defendants had been dressed in Palestinian police uniforms, apparently because court officials, expecting trouble, had tried to disguise their identities.
>>



It's pretty hard to sympathize with the Palestinians when the security forces help a mob attack and kill men who are already on trial. This probably doesn't represent all Palestinians but it certainly doesn't bode well for any negotiations or hopes for a long term peace.

And Arafat keeps crying about how wronged his people are ... give me a break... this is total animal behavior along the lines of what you would expect in Somalia.

 

[EagleKeeper]

This was an internal eye for an eye.

Israel is considered a common "enemy"

 

[gunf1ghter]

Sorry, but civilized people don't go ino a courthouse, kill 3 defendants, then drag them into the street in celebration.

Palestine is reaping the rewards of teaching 2 generations of people that it's their godly duty to take the law into their own hands.

 

[etech]

If anyone wonders why Israel takes a hard line with the Palestinians, this is a good example.

From AP
JENIN, West Bank (AP) - An angry mob led by about two dozen Palestinian gunmen and members of the security forces stormed a heavily guarded Palestinian courtroom in this West Bank town on Tuesday and killed three defendants charged with a vigilante killing.

The three men's slaying appeared to be part of a clan feud. They were killed in the court's bathroom, where police hid them after the mob charged into the building, said a security official, who spoke on condition of anonymity for
fear of retribution.

The assailants pushed their way into the bathroom, pumped dozens of bullets into the three defendants and dragged their bodies into the streets, shooting in the air in triumph, the security official said.

In all, six members of the Qmeil clan were killed between 1988 and 1990 by a group of gunmen headed by Osama Qmeil. After the establishment of the
Palestinian Authority in 1994, Osama Qmeil joined the Preventive Security Services.

Last week, Qmeil was killed after being lured to a garbage dump on the outskirts of his hometown of Qabatiyeh, near the West Bank town of Jenin.
During the trial, the defendants told the judge that they killed Osama Qmeil in revenge for the killings of six members of their clan a decade ago.

The judge sentenced the two younger men to death but immediately commuted the sentence to 15 years hard labor because of their age - the same pnishment given the older man.

When word of the decision reached the crowd of about 500 people outside, gunmen stormed the building.

 

[Mrburns2007]

Well, thankfully we don't have people who shoot guns or blowup buildings in the USA!

 

[Lucky]

<< WTF is wrong with the Israelis? >>

 

[Grommet5]

<< And Arafat keeps crying about how wronged his people are ... give me a break... >>


Thats somewhat true. The israeli's armed with american supplied helicopters regularly bomb palestinian neighborhoods, killing innocent women and children. I think both sides are equally to blame here.

 

[EagleKeeper]

<< Thats somewhat true. The israeli's armed with american supplied helicopters regularly bomb palestinian neighborhoods, killing innocent women and children. I think both sides are equally to blame here >>



Why do the Palestinian not have heavy weapons from their allies.
1) They do not have the training.
2) Their allies are not serious about a full fledged outbreak of support.
3) Their allies would become a target themselves - they are scared of Israel.

You read about what happened last month. Everybody against Israel is denying involvement with the ship carrying weapons. Why, they got caught with their pants down and do not want retaliation.

Why are the Israeli choppers going after the Palestinian neighborhoods?
The people that the are trying to defend themselves against are hiding amoung the local population.

When Israel does not try to defend themselves, the attacks still continue on one pretense or another.
The Palestinian extremists do not want peace at all, (they would loose their influence), the middle ground is so tired of the issue thaty they will believe anything and hope that something is being accomplished, the people willing to negotiate are being undermined by extremists on both sides.

With no-one wanting to give peace a chance, the issue will never be solved.

Self mutilation will not do anything exxcept harm yourself and draw attention (fool).

 

[Aelus]

<< When Israel does not try to defend themselves, the attacks still continue on one pretense or another.
The Palestinian extremists do not want peace at all, (they would loose their influence), the middle ground is so tired of the issue thaty they will believe anything and hope that something is being accomplished, the people willing to negotiate are being undermined by extremists on both sides.

With no-one wanting to give peace a chance, the issue will never be solved. >>



yep, too many people are afraid they'd lose their status/income, same can be said about many other places where violence occurs, a good example is northern ireland.

Aelus

 

[Hammer]

I've never understood why the shoot into the air. Don't those idiot know those bullets will be coming back down? Hopefully a few of the crowd were seriously injured by this.



<< The assailants pushed their way into the bathroom, pumped dozens of bullets into the defendants and dragged their bodies into the streets, shooting in the air in triumph, the security official said. >>

 

[anxman69]

I usually don't like to get involved but the racist drivel in this thread literally sickens me. You have the nerve to start a thread titled, "WTF is wrong with the Palestinians?". How about a thread that says, "WTF is wrong with the Israeli's?". Both sides are clearly at fault in this nonsensical violence. Palestine terrorizes Israel (killing innocent people and soldiers), Israel responds by killing 4 times more people (innocent people and soldiers) -- btw there are statistics published in the NY-Times if you want to verify the veracity of that statement. Yet you have the nerve to pin this on Palestine? I agree that Arafat and his council probably do not do enough to prevent violence ... but since when is it ok to stereotype an entire race? I hope one day you can learn tolerance for people that have also suffered loss ... and on top of that, that the people of a country do *not* represent the political leaders and whacko extremists.

cya l8r

 

[djs1w]

After reading this, I've been sitting here trying to make sense of all the stuff that goes on over there and all I couldn't come up with anything. Nadda, zilch. I just don't get it how strapping dynamite to yourself and walking into a pizza parlor gets anything done. The world goes on, minus the lives you just took, you've changed nothing and it's not like you've made a new political statement by killing people. It's been happening for years, and even in today's modern world, people are still doing the same thing hundreds of years ago. This war over the holy land is ridiculous.

 

[gunf1ghter]

There is nothing in this thread about the race of the Palestinians... the thread was not titled, "WTF is wrong with Arabs".

Palestinians are a political group, a nationality.. their race has nothing to do with this debate.

As to your point about how the political actions of the leadership don't have anything to do with the common people, I disagree... Arafat is not a dictator, he is ostensibly the "popularly supported leader" of the Palestinian people. The Palestinian leadership and militant groups have been telling their people for years that they should "take matters into their own hands"... they appear to have taken it to heart.

It wasn't the political or religious leaders who killed and shot the 3 defendants... it was a large mob of unruly citizens who disagreed with a verdict.

 

[gopunk]

blah, the whole world is going to hell in a handbasket...

 

[Amused]

<< I usually don't like to get involved but the racist drivel in this thread literally sickens me. You have the nerve to start a thread titled, "WTF is wrong with the Palestinians?". How about a thread that says, "WTF is wrong with the Israeli's?". Both sides are clearly at fault in this nonsensical violence. Palestine terrorizes Israel (killing innocent people and soldiers), Israel responds by killing 4 times more people (innocent people and soldiers) -- btw there are statistics published in the NY-Times if you want to verify the veracity of that statement. Yet you have the nerve to pin this on Palestine? I agree that Arafat and his council probably do not do enough to prevent violence ... but since when is it ok to stereotype an entire race? I hope one day you can learn tolerance for people that have also suffered loss ... and on top of that, that the people of a country do *not* represent the political leaders and whacko extremists.

cya l8r >>



Since when are the Palestinians a "race" unto themselves?

Hint: They're not

Another clue: Israel protects itself from idiot Palestinians threatening their lives. But more Palestinians die in the process. Who's to blame? Well, the idiots who charge fully armed men with sticks and stones, that's who. If I had a gun, and you and ten of your friends charged me with sticks and stones, guess who's going to win? Guess who's going to kill more people, but STILL BE RIGHT?

Racist my ass. Maybe if you took the time to actually LEARN the history of the area, you might be able to draw a more qualified conclusion. As it stands now, you know nothing.

 

[anxman69]

Gunf1ghter, your mentality is exactly why Israel is bombed. I don't feel bad for you or "your people" if they share that same ridiculously racist and arrogant self-absorbment. The "race" of Palestinians includes "Palestinians" in general. You can compare that to someone saying, "WTF is wrong with Italians?" "WTF is wrong with Russians?" "WTF is wrong with the Japanese". In any case, you are generalizing the people of Palestine with their military ... which is silly. If I were to share your paradigm, I could simply say that Israelies are *more* to blame for the Middle-East violence because four times as many Palestinians have been murdered by Israel (as it was a deed performed by the military which is ostensibly supported by the people). If you guys haven't learned, we are not arguing right or wrong here ... both sides are *clearly* at fault in the ridiculous war. I'm arguing that gunf1ghter has made a racist generalization by titling this thread, "WTF is wrong with the Palestinians" when the problem is not with the "Palestinians" but instead 24 whacko gunmen. Are you telling me that 24 people represent a people?

As for this being a race issue ... AmusedOne, open dictionary.com (you have to type it into the white bar at the top of your screen and press enter). Lookup the word "race" and you will see:

(Race)
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.

Hint: get one

 

[redcow]

Since when is "race" mean anything in specific?
The Human race, the black race, the muslim race...

"race" is our buzzword that includes mostly ethnicity, and a host of other characterists to create an overly broad
stereotype of a group of people.

If you want to discuss something important, talk about religion, or culture, or political history.

Bringing up "race" only disorts your opinion further.


As for the Palestinians... how about "WTF is wrong with the jews" being included in your little flame as well.

 

[MillionaireNextDoor]

I believe it can be agreed upon that what the Palestinian mob did was wrong and inexcusable in a civilized society. Two wrongs do not make a right especially when it comes to law and order.

 

[gopunk]

As for this being a race issue ... AmusedOne, open dictionary.com (you have to type it into the white bar at the top of your screen and press enter). Lookup the word "race" and you will see:
(Race)
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.
Hint: get one

do you consider "american" a race?

 

[Amused]

<< As for this being a race issue ... AmusedOne, open dictionary.com (you have to type it into the white bar at the top of your screen and press enter). Lookup the word "race" and you will see:

(Race)
2. A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.

Hint: get one >>



That is NOT the definition used for the term "racist." Not only that, it's an expanded, 2nd definition.

Websters:
"an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b : BREED c : a division of mankind possessing traits that are transmissible by descent and sufficient to characterize it as a distinct human type."

This is the definition used for racism...

Also:

Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
Date: 1936
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
- rac·ist /-sist also -shist/ noun or adjective

Racism is based on genetic differences such as skin color. Hating someone of a specific nationality is NOT Racism. Bigotry, maybe, racism, NO.

If your definition is the one used for "racist," than anyone who slams ANYBODY who is from a different place than they are is racist. New Yorkers are racist for hating people in LA. People in LA are racist for hating people in Northern CA.

Your definition does not apply here. The Palestinians are genetically and historically no different from Arabs in the surrounding areas. In fact, the vast majority of Arabs living in the region are FROM the surrounding Arab nations.

Again, the Palestinians are NOT a race unto themselves.

It's pathetic when people expand the defintion of hot button words to suit their ignorant rants.

 

[gunf1ghter]

do you consider "american" a race?

My point exactly... if someone titles a thread "you stupid Americans" I might get pissed off or disagree with them but I'm sure not going to pull out the whining PC cop-out "Race" card.

 

[gunf1ghter]

As to the comment that Americans shoot guns and blow up buildings.

Last time I checked if a tragedy like that occurs in this country we don't run around cheering and celebrating it.

Even if someone blew up a building or killed some people that noone could stand, you wouldn't see any kind of public support for it... because Americans don't tolerate that kind of SH!T

See any news flash about the PLO rounding up or prosecuting the gunmen and crowd who perpetrated this action? No, and you won't, because they are completely ineffective... the Palestinian people are too anarchal to even put a functioning government in place that can keep law and order.

They need to get their $%#$^ Sh!t together!