WTF is with people and their heat scores?

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: MmmSkyscraper
Money first, delivery second.

:thumbsup:

I don't care if the buyer has a billion heat, they will always pay first or they wont get what I am selling.

 

[FurBurglar]

Originally posted by: Injury
Look bub, you're more than welcome to be selective in who you do business with, but don't get all pissy at experienced traders trying to prevent themselves from getting ripped off.

Plainly put, if you don't want to do business on their terms, and they don't want to do it on your terms, then you don't HAVE to do any business with them.

Once again you did not get the point of my post. I did not get pissy, the buyer got pissy because I politely declined his request for me to ship first. He then took it upon himself to point out that he had "much higher HEAT than me" basically implying that I was forgoing some unwritten rule. But to your point, I did respectfully decline to do business with him.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Injury
Look bub, you're more than welcome to be selective in who you do business with, but don't get all pissy at experienced traders trying to prevent themselves from getting ripped off.

Plainly put, if you don't want to do business on their terms, and they don't want to do it on your terms, then you don't HAVE to do any business with them.

:thumbsup:

 

[Finalnight]

I never ship first, buying or selling, and no one has ever asked me to even from day one.

I don't care if the person has 1000 heat, if they don't trust my 36 heat spread over 5 years, and my 28 Ebay over 7 years, than I don't need their business. Just because I don't trade frequently doesn't mean I am a scammer.

 

[Xylitol]

Heat scores is a huge joke
You can fake any of that stuff

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Xylitol
Heat scores is a huge joke
You can fake any of that stuff

::sigh::

 

[1renovation]

FurBurglar
your a person i have ship first with only 21 heatware . your not new but your still not done a lot of trading eather .and and with only 155 posts on a forum . you sure are not know well . and from what i can see you may of just got 10 to 20 of them just in this one thead .
sorry to tell you this but i for one would want you to ship first ! RENOVATION ~

 

[FoBoT]

FurBurglar, that is a great screen name

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Schfifty Five

Originally posted by: FurBurglar

That is how trades are still handled, Heat is just a reference system. If you were old school you would understand there is nothing wrong with shipping first to someone with an established record.

I think there was more that went on that is not being disclosed by the OP. I just find it very difficult to believe anyone would build a good trading record acting in that manner. Next time add that person to your DNT list and forget about them. You have already been added to mine for a variety of reasons. If you feel as if they harassed you via PM bring to the attention of the mods.

You have put me on your DNT list "for various reasons"? I would be curious to know what those are since we have never even spoken, much less carried out a transaction.

And by old school I am talking Knight Rider and The A-team old school, not Saved by the Bell old school. Nobody shipped first when there wasn't someone keeping score. That has only come about in the past few years.

OP, don't sweat it, I just laugh at people who promptly throw out the "You've been added to my DNT list" without much reason. They act as if their "list" is l337 and they think they have the last laugh by saying that. Some traders here have become so stuck up.

Other than any names posted on the troll list, the OP is the only one on mine. I have sufficient reason, and unlike yourself I did not resort to insults.

People keep mentioning the fact that a store will not ship first, what about non fast food restaurants? You go in, get seated, waiter takes your order, you eat, then you pay.

 

[moks78]

Originally posted by: Xylitol
Heat scores is a huge joke
You can fake any of that stuff

Wow!

Please do it and tell me how so I can pad mine and scam all those clueless noobs. :frown:

 

[ColdFusion718]

I think having the word "burglar" in your ID name is working against you.

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: ColdFusion718
I think having the word "burglar" in your ID name is working against you.

and the "Fur" thing is sure to piss off vegans and PETA

 

[Cdubneeddeal]

You're right OP, it doesn't give anyone a right to treat another like dirt but it does give us with higher Heat than thou to dictate the trade. You have low Heat and are not a known entity here on AT therefore why would anyone that has been involved in a lot of trades take the chance of getting scammed? If you choose not to send first, your loss.

/end nose in the air

 

[Kelvrick]

Only 48 here. I haven't had any problems with any of my ATFS/T deals.

Think of heat as a credit score almost, even someone with a 780+ can turn around and default on a loan, but the banks/lenders/other traders are much more willing to take chances on people with high credit while people with lower credit/heat often have to cough up that collateral, don't they.

You got 23 built up for a couple of years, looks like some higher-priced items items and I'd probably have no problem dealing with you as an regular trader.

On the other hand, why are you getting all worked up like this? Fine, so someone wants you to ship first, you refuse, they act like you should, then ignore them.

To me, posting this just makes you seems like a prick who gets offended at the drop of a hat. That may be why there are "added to my dnt list" comments thrown around. As of right now, you've been added to mine, but well, I'd probably forget about you in the next 5 minutes and end up trading with you in the future.

 

[OdiN]

If I feel someone doesn't have enough heat and I want them to ship first, I will ask. If they won't do it, then I'll just find what I need elsewhere.

 

[meltdown75]

 

[sao123]

Its because people with heat somehow transpose their heat score with their IQ...


Having high heat doesnt make them trustworthy, or the person who will dictate the terms...

A peson can have 500 heats from buying and sell $15 video cards... that doesnt mean im gonna trust them with a $600 PS3 or whatever.

This is one of the reasons i trade on CL, more than here. if you meet me face to face with cash... then i feel much more safer.

 

[Schfifty Five]

Originally posted by: 1renovation
FurBurglar
your a person i have ship first with only 21 heatware . your not new but your still not done a lot of trading eather .and and with only 155 posts on a forum . you sure are not know well . and from what i can see you may of just got 10 to 20 of them just in this one thead .
sorry to tell you this but i for one would want you to ship first ! RENOVATION ~

And I would not trade with you b/c of your sh!tty grammar. I think my eyes are starting to bleed just from reading your post.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: BigJ
Reading the conversation, he nudged you a little bit with the "far higher" line and you definitely goaded him with the response. You definitely came off the wrong way when you said "Not trying to be an ass."

He wasn't that out of line though. Definitely didn't treat you like dirt.

Agreed. That far higher line certainly had an air of cock swinging to it, but I frankly would have just brushed it off. The transaction wasn't going to happen under terms acceptable to both parties, communication exchange complete. He may or may not have put some fight bait out, but you don't have to take it. For future reference, I would just realize its going to be a charged subject, and if they don't agree with your terms just say "sorry we couldn't make a deal, good luck or whatever" and be done with it. No need to dwell on it.

I sort of do agree with the OPs rant, of course. Its understandable that long time, heavy traders with a lot of heat of course feel its quite valueable...but a massive number of heat is as much a function of how many trades you make, as it is your reliability as a trader. One guy may be a serious hobbiest who through sheer volumn of upgrades by nature has tons of stuff to sell. Another guy sells the occasional item. Neither guy is out to rip people off, but OF COURSE the first guy is going to have a ton more heat.

 

[Al Neri]

Easy. If I buy something, I use paypal and will only buy something from a name i've seen many times in FS/FT. If I sell something, I never ship first unless I have a standing relationship - and most that I have a standing relationship with wouldn't require that.

Someone doesn't like that - they can GFT (derivative of GFY).

It's not perfect, but it's the best way to deal.

 

[Schfifty Five]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
You're right OP, it doesn't give anyone a right to treat another like dirt but it does give us with higher Heat than thou to dictate the trade. You have low Heat and are not a known entity here on AT therefore why would anyone that has been involved in a lot of trades take the chance of getting scammed? If you choose not to send first, your loss.

/end nose in the air

LOL.

You think you are dictating the trade? Hate to break it to you but it goes both ways. While you think you are dictating the trade by demanding that the one with less heat ships first, they can dictate by giving you a big fat "No".

Well you respond by saying "well, then I'll just go trade with someone else then". Great. You do that. Guess what, so will the one with less heat. You act as though you not trading with them that they are screwed or something. Please, there are lots of other opportunities to trade.

So stop thinking you have all the power b/c less heat people can do the same thing as those with high heat.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: sao123
Its because people with heat somehow transpose their heat score with their IQ...


Having high heat doesnt make them trustworthy, or the person who will dictate the terms...

A peson can have 500 heats from buying and sell $15 video cards... that doesnt mean im gonna trust them with a $600 PS3 or whatever.

This is one of the reasons i trade on CL, more than here. if you meet me face to face with cash... then i feel much more safer.

Until you're lying gut shot on the ground while that guy runs away with your PS3!

 

[TwiceOver]

Just wanted to drop in and mention that Heat is not a "Score". Heat is not some game that you are going to win by having the largest amount. Heat is an evaluation system, here is how I usually break down that system.
1-25: Baby trader
26-50: Toddler Trader
51-75: Teen Age Trader
76-100: Adult Trader
101+: Veteran

Any hint of a negative starts the process over in my book.

 

[datwater]

I was selling an item, I have somewhere between 20 and 30 heat. Someone made me an offer, who had around 100 heat. I accepted their (lower than I asked for) offer, and told them where to paypal me. They replied saying, "Oh you'll have to ship to me first, I have higher heat." I flatly refused the deal, with no further explanation.

Why?

Well ... I'm an established trader. I've been on the board for awhile. Yes, they are established, too, according to their heat. If I send them an item, they can choose to not pay, and I have little recourse, other than to sic troll hunters on them. If they send Paypal, and I don't ship the item, they have the recourse of Paypal reversal.

It's ridiculous to ask someone to ship first unless they are brand new on the board, and have no references at all.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: datwater
It's ridiculous to ask someone to ship first unless they are brand new on the board, and have no references at all.

I disagree. The buyer always the right to ask the seller to ship first. Of course the seller has the right to refuse. Then buyer can move along if he isn't comfortable.

Considering the burgeoning number of trolls running around these days...