WTF is with people and their heat scores?

[FurBurglar]

I understand the concept of Heat scores just like the next guy, but why do some people think that just because they have a higher Heat than can just dictate how things are going to go? I don't mind people asking me to ship first if their Heat is higher than mine, but the answer is always no. It's just not something I believe in doing. That seems to set them off into some ego trip that I am not bowing down to them because they have a higher score than me. If I had the notion and a lot of time on my hands I could have a huge Heat score by simply creating fake identities and padding my score. There are always ways to cheat the system. Overall I think it is a good system to give some idea of a person's character, but it doesn't give you the right to treat others like dirt simply because you have done more online trading than them. What is up with tese people? /insomnia rant off

 

[TruePaige]

You'd rather those who use HEAT and trust it just randomly ship goods to people with no HEAT references?

Yeah.

Whatever.

HEAT is a trusted system, and following HEAT has always worked for me. All positive transactions and counting.

 

[jagec]

I think he's talking about when a person with 300 heat won't trust a person with 100 heat, and always asks them to ship first.

 

[BigJ]

Good luck trying to cheat with Heat.

Experienced traders would probably catch onto you quite quickly. When I was more active in the FS/FT forums, I always followed evals a few levels deep. Then it'd be easy to see the same names popping up over and over again padding each other if they were a scammer.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: jagec
I think he's talking about when a person with 300 heat won't trust a person with 100 heat, and always asks them to ship first.

I doubt it.

He makes it sound more like he has no HEAT and people with 100 HEAT tell him "Ship first or no deal"

I then also lose faith in his trading character at lines like this..

"If I had the notion and a lot of time on my hands I could have a huge Heat score by simply creating fake identities and padding my score. There are always ways to cheat the system."

Hard to put faith in someone who says that.

Moreover it's stupid, because people can tell by the reviews own HEAT scores if they are padding or not.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
You'd rather those who use HEAT and trust it just randomly ship goods to people with no HEAT references?

Yeah.

Whatever.

HEAT is a trusted system, and following HEAT has always worked for me. All positive transactions and counting.

If you're talking about a person with 100 heat versus a person with 2 heat, then yes, clearly you are correct.

But what about the traders that aren't as active? Should a person with 50 positive heat spread out over many years be trusted less than someone with 500 positive heat spread out over a month? That doesn't make any damn sense.

Edit: I believe the OP is stuck in this case. Come on, he joined AT over two years ago and has less than 200 posts! Would it follow, then, that his heat is low only due to inactivity?

Ultimately, if it's a trade, I feel the person with lowest heat should ship first. If it's a sale, money must change hands before anything happens (unless the Heat of the seller is especially low, under ten). Ultimately, OP, if you don't want to ship first, make that clear in your FS/FT posts.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: TruePaige
You'd rather those who use HEAT and trust it just randomly ship goods to people with no HEAT references?

Yeah.

Whatever.

HEAT is a trusted system, and following HEAT has always worked for me. All positive transactions and counting.

If you're talking about a person with 100 heat versus a person with 2 heat, then yes, clearly you are correct.

But what about the traders that aren't as active? Should a person with 50 positive heat spread out over many years be trusted less than someone with 500 positive heat spread out over a month? That doesn't make any damn sense.

But I'm talking about situation 1.


Oh and also if someone got 500 HEAT in a month, they are more trustworthy than 50 HEAT in many years.

But that's beside the point.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: TruePaige
You'd rather those who use HEAT and trust it just randomly ship goods to people with no HEAT references?

Yeah.

Whatever.

HEAT is a trusted system, and following HEAT has always worked for me. All positive transactions and counting.

If you're talking about a person with 100 heat versus a person with 2 heat, then yes, clearly you are correct.

But what about the traders that aren't as active? Should a person with 50 positive heat spread out over many years be trusted less than someone with 500 positive heat spread out over a month? That doesn't make any damn sense.

But I'm talking about situation 1.


Oh and also if someone got 500 HEAT in a month, they are more trustworthy than 50 HEAT in many years.

But that's beside the point.

Okay, so if someone creates 501 accounts and give positive feedback to themselves over and over, you'd say that user is more trustworthy than someone who has had an account for a very long time and just doesn't trade often enough to break 100 heat quickly?

Even if the scenario I described doesn't work, surely there are other ways to cheat the system. You'd trust a number purely because it is large? You don't believe circumstance should play any role?

I disagree with that line of reasoning, but you're free to trade however and with whomever you want.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: TruePaige
You'd rather those who use HEAT and trust it just randomly ship goods to people with no HEAT references?

Yeah.

Whatever.

HEAT is a trusted system, and following HEAT has always worked for me. All positive transactions and counting.

If you're talking about a person with 100 heat versus a person with 2 heat, then yes, clearly you are correct.

But what about the traders that aren't as active? Should a person with 50 positive heat spread out over many years be trusted less than someone with 500 positive heat spread out over a month? That doesn't make any damn sense.

But I'm talking about situation 1.


Oh and also if someone got 500 HEAT in a month, they are more trustworthy than 50 HEAT in many years.

But that's beside the point.

Okay, so if someone creates 501 accounts and give positive feedback to themselves over and over, you'd say that user is more trustworthy than someone who has had an account for a very long time and just doesn't trade often enough to break 100 heat quickly?

Even if the scenario I described doesn't work, surely there are other ways to cheat the system. You'd trust a number purely because it is large? You don't believe circumstance should play any role?

I disagree with that line of reasoning, but you're free to trade however and with whomever you want.

What you described isn't going to work.

Say he gets those 500 heat from accounts he created. He's going to have to then pad each and every one of those accounts that he created because the number of heatware evals (of the person leaving the heat) shows up when you get heat left for you. So if he didn't pad the other evals, he'd have 500 evaluations all by users with 1 or no heatware.

Say he does pad those accounts. You'll then follow them down a level and start seeing the same names over and over again.

On top of that, there just aren't that many people with great heat like that. So he'd be throwing up red flags right away, being a newbie to FS/FT that nobody has ever head of and now having 500 heat.

As for the other ways to cheat heat, please explain.

 

[aplefka]

Yeah I didn't really like it for that reason either so I stopped trading on FS/T. I remember having one bad transaction where I sold a card that was apparently DOA. Funny how it worked for me before I sent it out. I tried to help the guy troubleshoot but he wouldn't have any of it. Dunno if I ever got a neg or not from it, but it definitely turned me off. I didn't really like the whole ship first idea either. That's not how it works when you buy something online anywhere else.

 

[FurBurglar]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: jagec
I think he's talking about when a person with 300 heat won't trust a person with 100 heat, and always asks them to ship first.

I doubt it.

He makes it sound more like he has no HEAT and people with 100 HEAT tell him "Ship first or no deal"

I then also lose faith in his trading character at lines like this..

"If I had the notion and a lot of time on my hands I could have a huge Heat score by simply creating fake identities and padding my score. There are always ways to cheat the system."

Hard to put faith in someone who says that.

Moreover it's stupid, because people can tell by the reviews own HEAT scores if they are padding or not.

Actually I am talking about someone with 121 Heat asking me to ship first because I "only" have 21 Heat. I would understand a little more if I had zero. It also went beyond a simple "ship first or no deal". They went so far as to basically belittle me and treat me like I am less of a person because I have less Heat than them. All over a $35 transaction.

I appreciate you trying to judge my trading character by my comments but isn't that what we have Heat for? If we follow your logic then I could come in here and say "I don't understand why anyone would ever try to cheat. I wish everyone could just be honest" and that would make me a wonderful person. I could still be a troll.

My comments about cheating Heat were very simple and broad in an attempt to make a point. The point I was trying to make is they do not require you to have an ISP generated email address so someone could create as many profiles as they wanted. Given enough time and persistence someone could cheat the system. They could do it to a level that you would not be able to tell by going through their evals. Some bad people out there take a long time and go to great lengths to establish a persona in an effort to cheat people. If you want to convince yourself otherwise then you are only fooling yourself.

the point of my post was not to bash Heat. I believe it serves a good purpose it getting a general idea about someone. My post was questioning those that seem to treat people with lower heat, not zero Heat, like they are trash.

 

[FurBurglar]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: TruePaige
You'd rather those who use HEAT and trust it just randomly ship goods to people with no HEAT references?

Yeah.

Whatever.

HEAT is a trusted system, and following HEAT has always worked for me. All positive transactions and counting.

If you're talking about a person with 100 heat versus a person with 2 heat, then yes, clearly you are correct.

But what about the traders that aren't as active? Should a person with 50 positive heat spread out over many years be trusted less than someone with 500 positive heat spread out over a month? That doesn't make any damn sense.

Edit: I believe the OP is stuck in this case. Come on, he joined AT over two years ago and has less than 200 posts! Would it follow, then, that his heat is low only due to inactivity?

Ultimately, if it's a trade, I feel the person with lowest heat should ship first. If it's a sale, money must change hands before anything happens (unless the Heat of the seller is especially low, under ten). Ultimately, OP, if you don't want to ship first, make that clear in your FS/FT posts.

Very well put. You expressed exactly what I was trying to get across. I guess my lack of sleep has caused me to ramble and not make a concise argument.

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: TruePaige
You'd rather those who use HEAT and trust it just randomly ship goods to people with no HEAT references?

Yeah.

Whatever.

HEAT is a trusted system, and following HEAT has always worked for me. All positive transactions and counting.

If you're talking about a person with 100 heat versus a person with 2 heat, then yes, clearly you are correct.

But what about the traders that aren't as active? Should a person with 50 positive heat spread out over many years be trusted less than someone with 500 positive heat spread out over a month? That doesn't make any damn sense.

But I'm talking about situation 1.


Oh and also if someone got 500 HEAT in a month, they are more trustworthy than 50 HEAT in many years.

But that's beside the point.

I'd say just the opposite ... large amounts of positive heat alone are less important then smaller amounts spread over time, especially if over that period of time are deals made with established traders that went well.

Also I only have like 27 positive evals & I won't ship first to anyone even if you have 10k heat although I'm always polite about it & I'm often willing to ship on 50% payment for expensive items.



Edit: And in addition if somone started insulting me for not wanting to do things their way just because they had more heat then me, my reply would simply be to add them to my "do not trade" list ... I understand completely if you don't want to buy from me for whatever reason but theres no need to be a jerk about it.

 

[darkswordsman17]

People need to state their trading policies. If you're unwilling to ship first under any circumstances then make sure to let people know. Same with people who won't trade with no to low heat people. Make sure to note that you do not make exceptions (or if you do under what circumstances).

Also, OP, without the exact correspondence (I'm not asking you to post it though), its tough to know why they might have reacted as they did. In my experience there are plenty of people who have bad etiquette. I've also seen cases where someone was asked nicely to ship first and then gets mad about it and says that feedback doesn't matter which gets a sharp response (since someone with a lot of only positive feedback has worked hard to earn that and so for someone to brush it aside as if it means nothing can bother them).

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: FurBurglar

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: jagec
I think he's talking about when a person with 300 heat won't trust a person with 100 heat, and always asks them to ship first.

I doubt it.

He makes it sound more like he has no HEAT and people with 100 HEAT tell him "Ship first or no deal"

I then also lose faith in his trading character at lines like this..

"If I had the notion and a lot of time on my hands I could have a huge Heat score by simply creating fake identities and padding my score. There are always ways to cheat the system."

Hard to put faith in someone who says that.

Moreover it's stupid, because people can tell by the reviews own HEAT scores if they are padding or not.

Actually I am talking about someone with 121 Heat asking me to ship first because I "only" have 21 Heat. I would understand a little more if I had zero. It also went beyond a simple "ship first or no deal". They went so far as to basically belittle me and treat me like I am less of a person because I have less Heat than them. All over a $35 transaction.

I appreciate you trying to judge my trading character by my comments but isn't that what we have Heat for? If we follow your logic then I could come in here and say "I don't understand why anyone would ever try to cheat. I wish everyone could just be honest" and that would make me a wonderful person. I could still be a troll.

My comments about cheating Heat were very simple and broad in an attempt to make a point. The point I was trying to make is they do not require you to have an ISP generated email address so someone could create as many profiles as they wanted. Given enough time and persistence someone could cheat the system. They could do it to a level that you would not be able to tell by going through their evals. Some bad people out there take a long time and go to great lengths to establish a persona in an effort to cheat people. If you want to convince yourself otherwise then you are only fooling yourself.

the point of my post was not to bash Heat. I believe it serves a good purpose it getting a general idea about someone. My post was questioning those that seem to treat people with lower heat, not zero Heat, like they are trash.

They would literally have to spend years doing it if they wanted to be successful at it. And then the jig is up in three weeks when the first person makes a thread complaining. So they better have pulled off a mega-heist.

It'd be much more profitable for them to find some poor sucker willing to ship or pay first and then taking off with the loot.

As for the 121-21, them's the breaks. If he gets pissy about it, tell him to screw off and move on.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: TruePaige
You'd rather those who use HEAT and trust it just randomly ship goods to people with no HEAT references?

Yeah.

Whatever.

HEAT is a trusted system, and following HEAT has always worked for me. All positive transactions and counting.

If you're talking about a person with 100 heat versus a person with 2 heat, then yes, clearly you are correct.

But what about the traders that aren't as active? Should a person with 50 positive heat spread out over many years be trusted less than someone with 500 positive heat spread out over a month? That doesn't make any damn sense.

But I'm talking about situation 1.


Oh and also if someone got 500 HEAT in a month, they are more trustworthy than 50 HEAT in many years.

But that's beside the point.

Okay, so if someone creates 501 accounts and give positive feedback to themselves over and over, you'd say that user is more trustworthy than someone who has had an account for a very long time and just doesn't trade often enough to break 100 heat quickly?

Even if the scenario I described doesn't work, surely there are other ways to cheat the system. You'd trust a number purely because it is large? You don't believe circumstance should play any role?

I disagree with that line of reasoning, but you're free to trade however and with whomever you want.

What you described isn't going to work.

Say he gets those 500 heat from accounts he created. He's going to have to then pad each and every one of those accounts that he created because the number of heatware evals (of the person leaving the heat) shows up when you get heat left for you. So if he didn't pad the other evals, he'd have 500 evaluations all by users with 1 or no heatware.

Say he does pad those accounts. You'll then follow them down a level and start seeing the same names over and over again.

On top of that, there just aren't that many people with great heat like that. So he'd be throwing up red flags right away, being a newbie to FS/FT that nobody has ever head of and now having 500 heat.

As for the other ways to cheat heat, please explain.

In summary, as I go to bed.

I agree with you.

To all the others who were naysayers:

You don't understand HEAT. You can tell padding a mile away, it's the..biggest damn piece of crap idea ever, and that's why it never works on any seasoned trader.

 

[FurBurglar]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: TruePaige
You'd rather those who use HEAT and trust it just randomly ship goods to people with no HEAT references?

Yeah.

Whatever.

HEAT is a trusted system, and following HEAT has always worked for me. All positive transactions and counting.

If you're talking about a person with 100 heat versus a person with 2 heat, then yes, clearly you are correct.

But what about the traders that aren't as active? Should a person with 50 positive heat spread out over many years be trusted less than someone with 500 positive heat spread out over a month? That doesn't make any damn sense.

But I'm talking about situation 1.


Oh and also if someone got 500 HEAT in a month, they are more trustworthy than 50 HEAT in many years.

But that's beside the point.

Okay, so if someone creates 501 accounts and give positive feedback to themselves over and over, you'd say that user is more trustworthy than someone who has had an account for a very long time and just doesn't trade often enough to break 100 heat quickly?

Even if the scenario I described doesn't work, surely there are other ways to cheat the system. You'd trust a number purely because it is large? You don't believe circumstance should play any role?

I disagree with that line of reasoning, but you're free to trade however and with whomever you want.

What you described isn't going to work.

Say he gets those 500 heat from accounts he created. He's going to have to then pad each and every one of those accounts that he created because the number of heatware evals (of the person leaving the heat) shows up when you get heat left for you. So if he didn't pad the other evals, he'd have 500 evaluations all by users with 1 or no heatware.

Say he does pad those accounts. You'll then follow them down a level and start seeing the same names over and over again.

On top of that, there just aren't that many people with great heat like that. So he'd be throwing up red flags right away, being a newbie to FS/FT that nobody has ever head of and now having 500 heat.

As for the other ways to cheat heat, please explain.

If you believe there are people out there that won't go to those extremes and more to cheat people then you are kidding yourself. If someone would knock an old lady in the head an take her purse, they will surely sit behind a computer all day and hammer that out. And how many levels of evals are you going to drill down through to feel comfortable? Am I to believe that for every FS/T transaction you do you spend hours drilling down through evals? I highly doubt it.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: TruePaige
You'd rather those who use HEAT and trust it just randomly ship goods to people with no HEAT references?

Yeah.

Whatever.

HEAT is a trusted system, and following HEAT has always worked for me. All positive transactions and counting.

If you're talking about a person with 100 heat versus a person with 2 heat, then yes, clearly you are correct.

But what about the traders that aren't as active? Should a person with 50 positive heat spread out over many years be trusted less than someone with 500 positive heat spread out over a month? That doesn't make any damn sense.

But I'm talking about situation 1.


Oh and also if someone got 500 HEAT in a month, they are more trustworthy than 50 HEAT in many years.

But that's beside the point.

I'd say just the opposite ... large amounts of positive heat alone are less important then smaller amounts spread over time, especially if over that period of time are deals made with established traders that went well.

Also I only have like 27 positive evals & I won't ship first to anyone even if you have 10k heat although I'm always polite about it & I'm often willing to ship on 50% payment for expensive items.

Why would 500 Heat in a month scare you, in this hypothetical situation? Do you realize how much cash in merchandise they would be moving? They are obviouslly an honest supplier or they wouldn't have 500 buyers giving them positive reviews.

My head asplode at some of these comments.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: FurBurglar

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: TruePaige
You'd rather those who use HEAT and trust it just randomly ship goods to people with no HEAT references?

Yeah.

Whatever.

HEAT is a trusted system, and following HEAT has always worked for me. All positive transactions and counting.

If you're talking about a person with 100 heat versus a person with 2 heat, then yes, clearly you are correct.

But what about the traders that aren't as active? Should a person with 50 positive heat spread out over many years be trusted less than someone with 500 positive heat spread out over a month? That doesn't make any damn sense.

But I'm talking about situation 1.


Oh and also if someone got 500 HEAT in a month, they are more trustworthy than 50 HEAT in many years.

But that's beside the point.

Okay, so if someone creates 501 accounts and give positive feedback to themselves over and over, you'd say that user is more trustworthy than someone who has had an account for a very long time and just doesn't trade often enough to break 100 heat quickly?

Even if the scenario I described doesn't work, surely there are other ways to cheat the system. You'd trust a number purely because it is large? You don't believe circumstance should play any role?

I disagree with that line of reasoning, but you're free to trade however and with whomever you want.

What you described isn't going to work.

Say he gets those 500 heat from accounts he created. He's going to have to then pad each and every one of those accounts that he created because the number of heatware evals (of the person leaving the heat) shows up when you get heat left for you. So if he didn't pad the other evals, he'd have 500 evaluations all by users with 1 or no heatware.

Say he does pad those accounts. You'll then follow them down a level and start seeing the same names over and over again.

On top of that, there just aren't that many people with great heat like that. So he'd be throwing up red flags right away, being a newbie to FS/FT that nobody has ever head of and now having 500 heat.

As for the other ways to cheat heat, please explain.

If you believe there are people out there that won't go to those extremes and more to cheat people then you are kidding yourself. If someone would knock an old lady in the head an take her purse, they will surely sit behind a computer all day and hammer that out. And how many levels of evals are you going to drill down through to feel comfortable? Am I to believe that for every FS/T transaction you do you spend hours drilling down through evals? I highly doubt it.

Hours?

Do an experiment for yourself. Take 15 minutes going through someone's heat and see how far you get.

Hell, I just spent 3 minutes on yours. Looking at the levels of yours, you have people that have dealt with respectable traders such as purplehippo, traders that I've dealt with myself, and a varying degree of heatwares ranging from a handful to several hundred. Sure there's a chance you faked a few, but I know sure as shit that a bunch of those evals are true.

And you don't get it about scammers. They are in it for the easy buck. It's far too much effort to put into it to try to build up a believable set of heatware to that extent. Sure someone could do it.

A 500+ heatware user could also decide to scam the hell out of everyone after years of proper trading, but I'm not exactly worried about that either.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: FurBurglar

If you believe there are people out there that won't go to those extremes and more to cheat people then you are kidding yourself. If someone would knock an old lady in the head an take her purse, they will surely sit behind a computer all day and hammer that out. And how many levels of evals are you going to drill down through to feel comfortable? Am I to believe that for every FS/T transaction you do you spend hours drilling down through evals? I highly doubt it.

Do you require bill authentication at the Treasury Department when you accept cash? Yes people are willing to go to great lengths to scam people, but come on, some of you are just plain paranoid. If its that bothersome to you then don't trade or trade some place that fits how you like to trade. That's the nice thing is that you have the option to trade where and how you want, so complaining about possibility of getting scammed is all in your own hands. I can use the same reasoning to assume you're going to scam me, so maybe I should never send the money first.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: TruePaige
You'd rather those who use HEAT and trust it just randomly ship goods to people with no HEAT references?

Yeah.

Whatever.

HEAT is a trusted system, and following HEAT has always worked for me. All positive transactions and counting.

If you're talking about a person with 100 heat versus a person with 2 heat, then yes, clearly you are correct.

But what about the traders that aren't as active? Should a person with 50 positive heat spread out over many years be trusted less than someone with 500 positive heat spread out over a month? That doesn't make any damn sense.

But I'm talking about situation 1.


Oh and also if someone got 500 HEAT in a month, they are more trustworthy than 50 HEAT in many years.

But that's beside the point.

I'd say just the opposite ... large amounts of positive heat alone are less important then smaller amounts spread over time, especially if over that period of time are deals made with established traders that went well.

Also I only have like 27 positive evals & I won't ship first to anyone even if you have 10k heat although I'm always polite about it & I'm often willing to ship on 50% payment for expensive items.

Why would 500 Heat in a month scare you, in this hypothetical situation? Do you realize how much cash in merchandise they would be moving? They are obviouslly an honest supplier or they wouldn't have 500 buyers giving them positive reviews.

My head asplode at some of these comments.

The 500 would definitely throw up a red flag for me. But it's nothing that couldn't be resolved in a few minutes. Look through the levels of heat, look for FS/FT purchases, etc.

You'd know right away if someone supposedly moving that much scratch was legit or not.

 

[FurBurglar]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: TruePaige
You'd rather those who use HEAT and trust it just randomly ship goods to people with no HEAT references?

Yeah.

Whatever.

HEAT is a trusted system, and following HEAT has always worked for me. All positive transactions and counting.

If you're talking about a person with 100 heat versus a person with 2 heat, then yes, clearly you are correct.

But what about the traders that aren't as active? Should a person with 50 positive heat spread out over many years be trusted less than someone with 500 positive heat spread out over a month? That doesn't make any damn sense.

But I'm talking about situation 1.


Oh and also if someone got 500 HEAT in a month, they are more trustworthy than 50 HEAT in many years.

But that's beside the point.

I'd say just the opposite ... large amounts of positive heat alone are less important then smaller amounts spread over time, especially if over that period of time are deals made with established traders that went well.

Also I only have like 27 positive evals & I won't ship first to anyone even if you have 10k heat although I'm always polite about it & I'm often willing to ship on 50% payment for expensive items.

Why would 500 Heat in a month scare you, in this hypothetical situation? Do you realize how much cash in merchandise they would be moving? They are obviouslly an honest supplier or they wouldn't have 500 buyers giving them positive reviews.

My head asplode at some of these comments.

Well let's break that down. To get 500 Heat in one month you would have to be doing about 17 transactions a day. If someone was doing that much business in an online forum that would have to be their full-time job. They would have to monitor their threads, answer all the PMs and emails, setup the payments, and deal with the actual shipping of the items. It would scream one of two things to me: either it is bogus, or they are business using the forums to peddle their wares which if I'm not mistaken is a big no-no on most message boards.

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Captante

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: TruePaige
You'd rather those who use HEAT and trust it just randomly ship goods to people with no HEAT references?

Yeah.

Whatever.

HEAT is a trusted system, and following HEAT has always worked for me. All positive transactions and counting.

If you're talking about a person with 100 heat versus a person with 2 heat, then yes, clearly you are correct.

But what about the traders that aren't as active? Should a person with 50 positive heat spread out over many years be trusted less than someone with 500 positive heat spread out over a month? That doesn't make any damn sense.

But I'm talking about situation 1.


Oh and also if someone got 500 HEAT in a month, they are more trustworthy than 50 HEAT in many years.

But that's beside the point.

I'd say just the opposite ... large amounts of positive heat alone are less important then smaller amounts spread over time, especially if over that period of time are deals made with established traders that went well.

Also I only have like 27 positive evals & I won't ship first to anyone even if you have 10k heat although I'm always polite about it & I'm often willing to ship on 50% payment for expensive items.

Why would 500 Heat in a month scare you, in this hypothetical situation? Do you realize how much cash in merchandise they would be moving? They are obviouslly an honest supplier or they wouldn't have 500 buyers giving them positive reviews.

My head asplode at some of these comments.

It wouldn't automatically scare me ... my only point was that I don't think large numbers of evals are the only way to decide who to trade with, especially if they were accumulated over a very short period of time.

To clarify, all else being equal higher numbers mean more then lower ... in other words 50 positives over 2 years means more then 20 over the same time period ... 50 over a period of a month however would mean less then 20 over 2 years to me at least, especially if there were some folks I recognized involved in those 20 deals.

Bottom line is that I mostly agree with you that heat is valuable & not easy to cheat long-term, however just because sombody doesn't spend their life on FS/FT doesn't make them dishonest.

 

[MmmSkyscraper]

Money first, delivery second.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: FurBurglar
Well let's break that down. To get 500 Heat in one month you would have to be doing about 17 transactions a day. If someone was doing that much business in an online forum that would have to be their full-time job. They would have to monitor their threads, answer all the PMs and emails, setup the payments, and deal with the actual shipping of the items. It would scream one of two things to me: either it is bogus, or they are business using the forums to peddle their wares which if I'm not mistaken is a big no-no on most message boards.

I can understand why dealers aren't allowed, but that doesn't mean I'd be less trusting of them if they were on this site.

As for the bogus heatware, nice and easy to pick up. Like I said, in less than 3 minutes of browsing and going 2 levels deep in your very own heatware, the people that have given you evals have dealt with the likes of purplehippo, John, hans007, Alex00, and a bunch of other traders I recognize or have dealt with. So if they dealt with them, there's a good chance their dealings with you are legit.