well, a doc tells me what the issue is and then prescribes the treatment, that's why you go to see a doc in the first place. I really don't see the point in ads for prescribtion meds
well, a doc tells me what the issue is and then prescribes the treatment, that's why you go to see a doc in the first place. I really don't see the point in ads for prescribtion meds
guyver01
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Jeff7
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Homeopathic is. That whole thing follows the idea that the more something is diluted, the more potent its effects, because the solvent allegedly "remembers" the properties of what it passed through. By that line of thinking, the water we ingest daily would remember a lot of things, such as exposure to mercury, arsenic, the digestive tracts of various dinosaurs and insects, some guy's ass, and dirt, among other things.
And it's so heavily diluted that calling it "diluted" isn't really accurate. It's more like a drawn-out filtration process which ends up removing nearly all, with the exception of a few molecules, of the desired substance.
The only thing it contains in abundance is a placebo effect, as well as the socially-damaging idea that such things are actually effective.
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Price of their products is also very very high for the "Organics"
Forgot to get a couple of items when at Kroger earlier yesterday so stopped by the Whole Foods down the street from the hotel.
1 large Lemon
1 Large Tomato
1 Head lettuce
$6.31.
I can live with non-organically grown veggies at that price.
Forgot to get a couple of items when at Kroger earlier yesterday so stopped by the Whole Foods down the street from the hotel.
1 large Lemon
1 Large Tomato
1 Head lettuce
$6.31.
I can live with non-organically grown veggies at that price.
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I would agree whole heart.
Have a Sunflower Market about 3 miles from house - much nicer place.
But people may not have much choice for comparisons.
Absolutely. FM has the best meat. Fruit and veggies are far better. Everything isn't even priced that far outside of a regular supermarket.
As far as WF being a "major chain", it is a major chain. It may be a niche market but comparing it to 7/11 or Krogers is silly, they don't operate in the same spectrum. Any stock analyst or business analyst would agree that WF is a major chain. They are national, they dominate their sector and are hugely popular.
The supplement market is just proof positive that a completely "free market" does nothing but screw consumers. If it were regulated by the FDA you'd see 95% of those companies go out of business. There is marginal scientific evidence of that stuff helping, most "evidence" is anecdotal.
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TheSlamma
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I totally agree with the placebo effect on the herb routine, but don't tell me there are REAL CURES in western medicine for anything out there either, there are just things that COVER UP problems.People demand cures. They get bullshit that is sold to them as cures and not the real cure. They assume the bullshit = real deal, but it's actually worthless. People do not buy this stuff going, "Oh this won't work." They buy it thinking, "This will work." But it never does ANYTHING but placebo effect. (Read: not a cure)
Where is the cure for asthma, diabetics, cancer (remission doesn't count), the common cold, the flu, heck they don't even cure ED, all those pills do is give guys a 4 hour boner on the spot.. they stop taking them and they are a limp noodle.
Bignate603
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We've got a sunflower nearby also. Less overpriced stuff yuppies will buy because it's the next hot new health food, more real tasty food at good prices. They sell these flour tortillas from a local company, they're the best that I've ever eaten that weren't handmade. Also, their thick cut bacon from the butcher's counter is amazingly good.
shortylickens
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Actually yes.
And most of the drugs they ask for dont cure anything and could be safely ignored if they lived a healthier lifestyle.
We spend billions to make ourselves fat then spend tens of billions to fix our fat asses.
No shit.
That just sounds funny to actually say that. What have we become where organic and natural things are a niche and not standard.
HeXen
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placebo or not, what is the end result for the person?...it works. Even if it really doesnt really do anything, the persons brain is doing it for the drug, if thats what it takes to get someone by in life happy, then wtf does it matter if the drug really works or not? its the end result for the individual that matters.
I took some Ibuprofine this morning. Did it really do anything for me? i dunno.
Did my neck stop hurting....You bet:awe:
was the end result a placebo?...dont really give a crap now that it stopped hurting do i.
Bignate603
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So you're not happy with things that let people get back to living their lives?
Sorry, but the treatments have immense value. They improve people's lives and often save them. For instance, diabetics used to go blind, have their limbs slowly rot while still attached to them, then die a long painful death. On current meds they can live long, enjoyable lives.
The fact of the matter is that cures for the stuff you listed are ridiculously hard and have thus far eluded discovery, even after huge amounts of research and effort. Treatments in general are easier to find then cures. If you've convinced yourself that we don't have "cures" because it's some conspiracy to make more money go ahead and put on your tin foil hat. Just because you don't understand something doesn't suddenly make it easy.
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Where's the homeopathic or natural cure for asthma, diabetes, cancer, etc.? Remission = "may be cured, may not be cured. It's undetectable, may not come back, may come back."
And, by the way, in case you're one of the idiots who thinks that pharmaceutical companies would sit on a cure for "cancer", (or for the idiots out there who would believe it) - anyone coming up with a cure will be able to dictate price until their patent runs out, and is going to make so much money, it's ridiculous. I use "cancer" in quotes, because it's more of a class of diseases with similarities, rather than just one thing that can be cured.
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CZroe
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Are you ignorant? Antibiotics cure infections all the time. Antifungal and antiparisitic "cures" exist too. If I have tapeworms and I deworm myself with western medicine, am I not cured?
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Some of that stuff works for me. Not from whole foods though, internet FTW.
I am a larger man who runs 6x a week.
I use DMSO on my frequent injuries and calves. Heals much faster.
I piss a glow stick from vitamins I take, feel groggy when I don't take them.
I take a MSM/condriotin supplement for my knees and I think it's like lube. No more grinding.
YMMV
I am a larger man who runs 6x a week.
I use DMSO on my frequent injuries and calves. Heals much faster.
I piss a glow stick from vitamins I take, feel groggy when I don't take them.
I take a MSM/condriotin supplement for my knees and I think it's like lube. No more grinding.
YMMV
If you grew up on a farm, as I did, you'd know that Whole Foods' version of "organic and natural" isn't what you get from nature.
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Cerb
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Strawman, as usual. Because some people are dumb enough to buy into homeopathy, and Whole Foods is willing to make money off of them, the other 99% is also bunk, despite having proven ingredients (though, even some that aren't just water are placebo
), that just happen to on the food side of the FDA's lists, because our laws do not have a quality middle ground?Really, the core problem is that our laws are based on large companies creating goods to market, not science. If US medicinal laws and regulations were based on science, the government would foot the bill for further tests, and have genuinely independent panels making pass/fail/Rx-only decisions (no fast tracking, either), if a scientist were to figure out that <chemical X> does <something good>, and needed to go that step further to be able to say it should be allowed for use as a treatment. Also, many controlled substances would never have been allowed to become such. Our system is designed around deep pockets and conflicts of interest. Good can and does come from it, but it is not the only source, and the best we can do, apparently, is leave a gaping hole open.
It's not that pharmaceuticals do not work, but that they are not the only thing that works, and one way or another, people want to allow things that do work to remain available. Everything that is edible and not junk food is analogous to a medicine.
Many of us also have no problems with people being stupid. How is it my problem that other people want to remain ignorant, and trust in placebo? I fail to see a problem:
a) You know very well it is BS, but are in denial, for unknown reasons.
b) You are gullible enough to believe someone, and not check your facts, which is easy to do, for this kind of thing.
c) You are a complete moron.
In all cases, a licensed medical professional is not consulted, nor did they do any research on their own about what ails them, nor about the proposed remedy (even a good food or supplement to use as a remedy may have side effects, which the web makes insanely easy to find out about). Children represent the only gray area, where legal protection could be defensible.
Not exactly. Most of their canned and boxed goods are approximately the same as high-end brands sold in other super markets, and many are no better than what I commonly find at bargain stores. Produce is an exception (though, in my area, non-Organic produce from Fresh Market and Publix is every bit as good, there just isn't as much exotic stuff at either place, compared to a typical WF).
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zinfamous
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Whole Foods is a massive scam. Those that dig homeopathy truly believe that Whole Foods deals with legit organics.
zinfamous
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It's a niche market, relatively speaking, within the Grocery market, but they dominate that market. They've bought up nearly all of their competitors. They are coast to coast--not sure how you can consider them bit players.
:hmm:
Jeff7
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It's bad because people are merely meant to believe that they're actually getting genuine medicine, which can be dangerous because then they're more likely not to pursue options grounded in real medical science. Sometimes it's a minor thing, like a bit of a headache. Then there's no problem. But if you're pursuing a homeopathic remedy for, let's say a bite from an inland taipan, you're probably not going to be buying much of anything anymore.
Wasting money and industry on these things is also a drain on society's resources, as well as a detriment to real science.
I'll let James Randi continue.
On the other hand, it's also yet another example of a free-market tax on stupidity/ignorance. It's better than snake oil! It's magic!
The ends don't always justify the means.
One way to find out would be a blind test with placebos. If it's a placebo effect, you might as well swap out the ibuprofen with a multivitamin.
If only evolution were a lie too - then at least curing the cold and flu would be fairly easy. :awe:
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