WTF is it with original factory oil filters being put on by gorillas?
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Zenmervolt
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Heh, I'd be satisfied to know whose brilliant idea it was to mount the oil filter upside down on my 951. The instant you unscrew the bloody thing, oil pours all over the engine. On the positive side, it's easy to get to.
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Blame the engineers as well. They're responsible for putting the filters in the silliest places imaginable. Buddy of mine, years ago, had a Fiero GT. Impossible to reach the oil filter from the top of the engine compartment, and to get to it from below, you had to remove the heat shield from around the catalytic converter. :roll:
Rather than having the filter on too tight, I actually had a "technician" forget to tighten the darn thing down one time, which I discovered when I drove off. Luckily, it only leaked about a half quart before I discovered their idiocy.
Rather than having the filter on too tight, I actually had a "technician" forget to tighten the darn thing down one time, which I discovered when I drove off. Luckily, it only leaked about a half quart before I discovered their idiocy.
Vic
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Ugh... I had a Toyota like that. Except not only was it tilted upside down at about a 45 degree angle, but it was under the exhaust manifold as well.
I think what happens though, to answer the OP, is that the heating and cooling cycles tend to cause the filters to tighten up over time. I've experimented with this on my own car, putting one on just hand tight, only to have to fight it off with the filter wrench at the next oil change.
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My 2.2L I4 Camry was like that. It was impossible to change without oil dripping all over the place. And this was on the top of the engine. Seriously...they couldn't have put it in any better spot/angle?
As for the filter, I always took some oil and ran it around the new filter gasket and then hand tightened till it was snug and then put another 1/4 twist on it by hand. I never needed a wrench to get them off.
Capt Caveman
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I use an oil filter strap to remove my oil filters. Works on all size filters and never had a problem taking an oil filter off with it.
Yeah, my boat is the same way. It's right up at the front of the engine, so you can get right to it, but you better have a towel around it when you break it loose.
I HAVE a Toyota like that! Except not only is it tilted upside down at about a 35 degree angle, and under the exhaust manifold as well, it's also mid-engined so you have to jack it up and go at it from UNDER the car, with the exhaust pipe wrapped halfway around it, and it spills oil down the side of the engine and onto the exhaust and onto a splash guard so that you have almost no chance of actually putting the oil pan under all the different drips.
What's interesting is that it's still easier to change than my Suzuki motorcycle. The filter on the zook is RIGHT at the front of the engine, piece of cake to access, but for whatever reason it always feels like they welded the thing on there. The first time I changed it I was cursing the factory techs and using a screwdriver, but it was just as bad the next two times. I even stripped out an oil filter socket on that thing.
Raduque
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My truck's oil filter is a pain to get at, too. It's between the drivers-side exhaust manifold and front pumpkin. Suspension components are in the way from the wheel well (you can see the endcap from there), and you have to have rubber arms to get at it from underneath. Luckily, when you unscrew it, oil drips out and runs down a splash guard that covers the front sway bar bushing, almost like it was designed to funnel the drip away from everything.
Have either of you tried to tap/beat on the top of the filter a little to make the bypass vale kick in? Doing this releases a lot of the oil stored in the filter. After I did all my oil changes I hit the filter just enough to crush the top a little and most of the oil comes out of the filter.
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The oil filter placement on my QX4 is great. It even has a metal funnel under the oil filter for the oil that comes out when you remove the filter to fall into. The only pain is having to remove the brush guard to access it.
Most new engines have the oil filter screwed on dry during assembly (why, I have no friken idea). That's why it won't come off easily on the first oil change.
The best oil filter placement I have seen is on the E46 BMWs. It is right on top of the engine. All you need is a rather large socket/wrench (don't remember the size) to remove the top cover and out comes the oil filter. It could not be easier to change.
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Originally posted by: nightowl
The best oil filter placement I have seen is on the E46 BMWs. It is right on top of the engine. All you need is a rather large socket/wrench (don't remember the size) to remove the top cover and out comes the oil filter. It could not be easier to change.
Other than procuring that 36mm socket.
No, but it's about time to wake the boat up from its winter hibernation, and I need to change the oil and drive fluid, so I'll try that and see if it helps.
Easy solution is to use a center punch or flathead screwdriver and poke a hole into the dome end of the filter. This will allow the oil to drain back into the pan so that you can remove the filter without making a mess.
that's actually not a bad idea. I may try that on my Tacoma next time, although I'm not sure if it'll drain into the pan or if it'll get over the suspension...
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PricklyPete
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My 2005 Tacoma is done the same way...but there is a little overflow drain that allows you to catch any escaping oil into a container. So the oil filter is easy to get to and doesn't make a mess...makes me very happy every time I change the oil in the car...as opposed to my wife's Civic that is a pain to get to.
The Ecotec 2.2L in the Saturn L series was the same way. I went to do the oil change figuring same old shit, until I came to that cartridge style filter with the HUGE nut on the cap. Took a couple trips to Adv Auto for a single socket to get that one done.Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: nightowl
The best oil filter placement I have seen is on the E46 BMWs. It is right on top of the engine. All you need is a rather large socket/wrench (don't remember the size) to remove the top cover and out comes the oil filter. It could not be easier to change.
Other than procuring that 36mm socket.
I love my Camry. The oil filter is top mounted right next to the exhaust manifold. You can literally grab the entire filter from opening the hood and have enough clearance to twist with your hands. The only bad thing about this is you don't have enough clearance to put on a metal strap filter wrench. I normally get the plastic ring type of wrench that fits on the top of a 3/8" exentsion and put it on that it losens it from the top. I also found another type of filter wrench that looks like a plastic claw with teeth on the top it requires little clearance and has a self adjusting type of system.
Oil filters should really be hand tightend. The only time you use a wrench is to get them off and a wrench normally damages or punctures the filter beyond use....
You know you can buy an oil filter relocation kit. It's the oil filter adaptor part and two lines. But you have to be carefull (hose bursting).
Oil filters should really be hand tightend. The only time you use a wrench is to get them off and a wrench normally damages or punctures the filter beyond use....
You know you can buy an oil filter relocation kit. It's the oil filter adaptor part and two lines. But you have to be carefull (hose bursting).
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