WTF.. Girl I work with her mom got arrested for sleeping with a young child.

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

If you think about it, there's nothing objectively damaging about sex at a young age. It's all related to the fact that it's considered taboo and thus is associated with shame, as well as usually being perpetrated in our culture by creeps, who are violent/abusive/whatever.

I don't agree, nor does the research. Children who are exposed to sex at a young age suffer from a tremendous predisposition toward later mental and emotional problems, including severe depression, drug abuse, promiscuity, bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder, and even multiple personality disorder. Moreover, the greatest predictor of whether a person will become a child molestor or rapist is whether he was himself molested.

I have worked with child victims of molestation, and it's not pretty. It ruins lives.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: tec699

Originally posted by: Amused
Watch everyone assume guilt...

Well her harddrive had child porn on it and she was involved with a child porn ring that was recently busted.

Want to know why I said that?

Because I am old enough to remember the molestation hysteria of the 80s and very early 90s that put hundreds of innocent people in jail and ruined thousands of lives.

Now I have deep suspicions over any accusation of molestation. Especially when it involves accusations against a middle aged women who has been around kids for nearly 30 years with no prior problems.

If they have the proof, fine. But until I see it, I will not assume guilt.

 

[warcrow]

Originally posted by: andylawcc

Originally posted by: warcrow
"Ah told you that b!tch was crazy!!"

haha.... that was from Chris Rock right?

Yup.

 

[nietsni3]

...wiht a 4 year old?😕

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

If you think about it, there's nothing objectively damaging about sex at a young age. It's all related to the fact that it's considered taboo and thus is associated with shame, as well as usually being perpetrated in our culture by creeps, who are violent/abusive/whatever.

I don't agree, nor does the research. Children who are exposed to sex at a young age suffer from a tremendous predisposition toward later mental and emotional problems, including severe depression, drug abuse, promiscuity, bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder, and even multiple personality disorder. Moreover, the greatest predictor of whether a person will become a child molestor or rapist is whether he was himself molested.

I have worked with child victims of molestation, and it's not pretty. It ruins lives.

Why is this the case, though?

Let me give an example from the media: A month ago or so I watched an episode of the show Cold Case, where an investigator tracks down a social worker who molested a woman's young daughter. The show portrayed the daughter picturing the molester as an evil person. My question is how this is connected with reality: If a child who knows nothing else is sexually "molested" (note the highly negative connotation in that word) by a trusted adult, but in a way that is pleasurable to the child, in what way is this child harmed? Is the child ONLY harmed because society tells him/her that it was wrong?

 

[CarpeDeo]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

If you think about it, there's nothing objectively damaging about sex at a young age. It's all related to the fact that it's considered taboo and thus is associated with shame, as well as usually being perpetrated in our culture by creeps, who are violent/abusive/whatever.

I don't agree, nor does the research. Children who are exposed to sex at a young age suffer from a tremendous predisposition toward later mental and emotional problems, including severe depression, drug abuse, promiscuity, bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder, and even multiple personality disorder. Moreover, the greatest predictor of whether a person will become a child molestor or rapist is whether he was himself molested.

I have worked with child victims of molestation, and it's not pretty. It ruins lives.

Why is this the case, though?

Let me give an example from the media: A month ago or so I watched an episode of the show Cold Case, where an investigator tracks down a social worker who molested a woman's young daughter. The show portrayed the daughter picturing the molester as an evil person. My question is how this is connected with reality: If a child who knows nothing else is sexually "molested" (note the highly negative connotation in that word) by a trusted adult, but in a way that is pleasurable to the child, in what way is this child harmed? Is the child ONLY harmed because society tells him/her that it was wrong?

Following the above logic, a person who wants to commit suicide to rid himself/herself of the pains of living shouldn't be stopped, since s/he's not hurting nobody (since it's pleasurable to himself/herself) and thus doing no wrong.

There's MUCH more to our innate moral understanding than just what society tells us (albeit, society's influence does very much affect that understanding).

 

[Dissipate]

Wow, a woman child molestor? I can't believe it.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Let me give an example from the media: A month ago or so I watched an episode of the show Cold Case, where an investigator tracks down a social worker who molested a woman's young daughter. The show portrayed the daughter picturing the molester as an evil person. My question is how this is connected with reality: If a child who knows nothing else is sexually "molested" (note the highly negative connotation in that word) by a trusted adult, but in a way that is pleasurable to the child, in what way is this child harmed? Is the child ONLY harmed because society tells him/her that it was wrong?

I don't think so, though it's a complicated question, and I'm sure societal norms play a role. I've worked on some astonishingly bad molestation cases, and gotten to know the victims well (including a 12-year-old whose father had oral/vaginal/anal sex several times a week with her starting at age 4, tried to mate her with a German Shepard, and placed her at age 4 on her infant brother, in an effort to get them to have intercourse, among many, many other things). She is an adorable, bright child whose adult life is, according to her treating psychologist and just about every other psychologist I've spoken to, probably largely doomed.

In that case, the guy I convicted had been molested at age 4. His sister, who came to testify on his behalf, told me she thought that being exposed to sex at such a young age had changed his hard wiring, and I tend to agree. He had a very perverse interest in sex starting at a very young age, and engaged in acts that were pretty stunningly depraved throughout his teenage years and his entire adult life. I'm sure that, if and when he is ever released from prison, he'll re-offend.

I think this question really can't be adequately answered by someone without a background in pediatric forensic psychology (something I lack), but I know, and have worked with, a lot of these people, and they all agree that molestation works ruinous harm on its victims.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

If you think about it, there's nothing objectively damaging about sex at a young age. It's all related to the fact that it's considered taboo and thus is associated with shame, as well as usually being perpetrated in our culture by creeps, who are violent/abusive/whatever.

I don't agree, nor does the research. Children who are exposed to sex at a young age suffer from a tremendous predisposition toward later mental and emotional problems, including severe depression, drug abuse, promiscuity, bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder, and even multiple personality disorder. Moreover, the greatest predictor of whether a person will become a child molestor or rapist is whether he was himself molested.

I have worked with child victims of molestation, and it's not pretty. It ruins lives.

My wife's family and us work with DCFS (foster care).

Many of the young girls that we see are sexually abused one way or another. I have to agree that it does ruin there lives.

But i also agree with Amused. A high percent of sexual mollestion claims are false. It is scarry what it does to the person who is accused of it. The person accused not only loses there friends, family and job but there is NOTHING they can do about it.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Let me give an example from the media: A month ago or so I watched an episode of the show Cold Case, where an investigator tracks down a social worker who molested a woman's young daughter. The show portrayed the daughter picturing the molester as an evil person. My question is how this is connected with reality: If a child who knows nothing else is sexually "molested" (note the highly negative connotation in that word) by a trusted adult, but in a way that is pleasurable to the child, in what way is this child harmed? Is the child ONLY harmed because society tells him/her that it was wrong?

I don't think so, though it's a complicated question, and I'm sure societal norms play a role. I've worked on some astonishingly bad molestation cases, and gotten to know the victims well (including a 12-year-old whose father had oral/vaginal/anal sex several times a week with her starting at age 4, tried to mate her with a German Shepard, and placed her at age 4 on her infant brother, in an effort to get them to have intercourse, among many, many other things). She is an adorable, bright child whose adult life is, according to her treating psychologist and just about every other psychologist I've spoken to, probably largely doomed.

In that case, the guy I convicted had been molested at age 4. His sister, who came to testify on his behalf, told me she thought that being exposed to sex at such a young age had changed his hard wiring, and I tend to agree. He had a very perverse interest in sex starting at a very young age, and engaged in acts that were pretty stunningly depraved throughout his teenage years and his entire adult life. I'm sure that, if and when he is ever released from prison, he'll re-offend.

I think this question really can't be adequately answered by someone without a background in pediatric forensic psychology (something I lack), but I know, and have worked with, a lot of these people, and they all agree that molestation works ruinous harm on its victims.

It is an interesting question. Taking out the negative connotation of the word "molested", I tend to be fairly certain (though not based on any evidence) that people who have engaged in sexual activity when very young (at what age?) are not ALWAYS ruined for life. The 12 year old you cite probably was aware that those experiences were not normal nor acceptable. I just wonder how much of our attitude is burned into us by society and how much is actually psychologically sound.

Just to clarify: I do NOT advocate this behavior in any way.