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WTF Dvorak!!?? I like you and all, but haven't you taken it a bit far with your AMD comments?!

NFS4

NFS4

No Lifer
Hell, I love your show on Tech TV (formally ZDTV), Silicon Spin, mainly because your a pompous ass and I like the flow of the show, but this is ridiculous:


<< Let AMD rule the roost for a little while. Besides, why worry? AMD has never shown any leadership. The company has always been a follower. When AMD had opportunities to take over the laptop segment, it couldn't deliver. The company only toys with original architecture, instead of being original.

The Grudge Dept.: That's not to say that AMD, with a new CEO, cannot change its ways. According to an interesting memo sent out by the analysts at the Intel Developers Forum, Intel has a huge hole in its upcoming road map -- one that AMD can drive into to make hay. The problem is AMD has based its microprocessor business on copying Intel. Much of its impetus is based on a grudge between the two companies...

Sanders is a case in point regarding this phenomenon. Since Sanders has stepped down at AMD, the company is doing better than ever. Many of the Sanders clones have left. These were employees who literally looked like Sanders and, I'm sure, would have taken a bullet for him. With him gone, they all cashed out. But the corporate culture is intact and may take decades to change. They make modifications on Intel ideas but nothing quite so unique as what you find at, say, Transmeta. Even with Intel stalled, I'm convinced that AMD will not blow by them but will instead wait for Intel to map the future. I think AMD is honestly shocked by the fact that it is now ahead of Intel in this game. >>


Dvorak on AMD

Dvorak, you TRULY undersestimate AMD :| Has Dvorak forgotten the breakthough Athlon, the Athlon's DDR system bus (which Intel is now copying), AMD's use of DDR memory (see previous comment).

Aren't these guys owned by Intel anyway?
 
I love how all the fan-boys on both sides jump on anything like this to prove their loyalty to a processor.

It really makes me laugh. It's a computer part. C'mon guys.

DR
🙂
 
HigherGround, you forgot clueless 🙂

I used to sometimes pick up a PC Magazine a long time ago just to laugh at his columns.
 
Yeah he sux. We'll see how the P4 and IA-64 peform compared to AMD's offerings. It's people like these that the stupid analysts listen to why AMD can't finally get some props.
 
If that comment was written 4 years ago, I would believe it. AMD has been stepping out on it's own ever since the k6-2. Super Socket 7 was impossible, if you believed Intel.
 
I agree totally with Dvorak! He's 100% right. He knows what he is talking about! Sorry to burst your bubble all you amd fanatics.
 
That whole network is biased towards AMD.

I remember Leo saying something like &quot;The Pentium 4 makes Rambus make sense&quot; or something like that.

I mean come on, Rambus never makes sense.
 
Dvorak is part of the old guard of PC adopters who remain trapped in the 1980's, with all its dingy, hole-in-the-wall-clone-shop glory, where anything but Intel was a &quot;knockoff&quot; and a sea of Macs beckoned like so much proprietary flim flam. Ah. . . it still brings a tear to my eye 🙁

Dvorak -- and most main stream PC journalists -- wouldn't be so contemptuous if they at least maintained their audience on merit. Unfortunately, people listen to them out of ignorance, and their publishers keep them on more as &quot;good old boys&quot; than any kind of rational expositors.

The problem we face today is that there is no one to bridge the gap between our community -- that of the serious, knowledgable PC enthusiast -- and the mass of the mildly interested public. I try so hard to get my customers to visit AnandTech to make informed buying decisions (even making it IE's home page on all my systems) but the sad fact is that the opening paragraph of virtually any article is bound to drive them off with too much technical jargon.

We need a site for the typical PC user, written by the atypical PC user.

Modus
 
Seph_IX,
Do not cry out God's name in vain.

Oh and that guy must be forgetting his medication again. 😉
 
Red Dawn,

<<Go ahead and start one. I'll be sure to book mark it>>

Only if you encourage me every morning with email kisses.

Modus
 
Actually, that is a great idea Modus. I feel the same way you do. I may not be a system builder, but I am constantly fielding questions from my friends and co-workers because some how I have become the &quot;guy to ask&quot; when someone wants to upgrade. I think a website that bridges the gap between the Dell purchasing drones and the person that can talk to you for hours about the in's and out's of the video card market would go a long way towards stemming the tide of those that buy systems based on dancing cleanroom people and paid advertisements...errr...I mean columns like Dvorak's.
 
This coming from a guy who once recommended reading your email at 4am to conserve bandwith, I think he lost it a long time ago.
 
He is just like Bubba, talking right out of his ass.

The comments from AMDZone



<< Now seriously, I don't know what is going on. I often read Dvorak's column, and I have for probably about 5 years. Perhaps for a few of those I may have not noticed things this off base since frankly I wasn't as knowledgeable about the inner workings of the PC business back then. Now however I can see no logical reasoning behind this. I don't see how Hammer is copying bugzilla. I don't see how LDT copies them. How is PowerNow! not superior to speed step? Didn't 3DNow! come out well before SSE? Don't even try to bring MMX into that. So didn't AMD choose DDR and now paperzilla is backpeddling to it? Where is AMD following revenuezilla? Certainly not in earnings warnings. Bleh. All in all, this article is based on blurry memories of the past. Now you can say history repeats itself all you want to, but sorry, that is not always true. You can always learn from history and turn a company around. IBM fell as did Apple. They came back. Things don't always stay the same. But ignorance is bliss, isn't it? >>

 


<< Dvorak, you TRULY undersestimate AMD Has Dvorak forgotten the breakthough Athlon, the Athlon's DDR system bus (which Intel is now copying), AMD's use of DDR memory (see previous comment). >>



NFS4: Dvorak may be ridiculous, but what you said is almost as ridiculous. You sure had me laughing. The Athlon isn't a 'breakthrough'. If you think adding fully piped FPU units or increasing the length of the pipeline is a 'breakthrough' I have some bad news for you. All of these changes were additions to the same old x86 core that AMD cloned from Intel in the first place. Putting the initial Athlon on a cartridge was nothing new (in fact, all of you AMD supporters blasted Intel for doing it with their P2) or adding full speed cache on die is nothing new (Intel did it with the Celeron first). Even the use of Copper interconnects was developed by IBM and Motorola. If supporting a new memory technology is a breakthrough, then every new chipset that supports a new type of RAM must be a breakthrough (that would mean Intel's chipsets for the much loved RAMBUS memory is breakthrough). Give me a break. The memory technologies may be a breakthrough, but nothing revolutionary, just evolutionary. Intel copying the DDR bus? Do you actually believe that? I don't see Intel ever using AMD's design. They have been leaders in the chipset market and have perfectly capable engineers that can design their own DDR chipsets (which I bet they have, but can't go public with it) that won't be released until the RAMBUS agreement is over.

Seph: What is LDT? I agree the Sledgehammer can be considered noy copying Intel since they are on a path for a new 64-bit architecture, but they are just adding an enhancement to the 32-bit x86 architecture like Intel added the enhancement to the 16-bit x86 architecture.

In my opinion, the Sledgehammer is a great idea because it allows you to use the processor for current 32-bit apps and future 64-bit apps without emulation. But, at some point a new architecture is needed that abandons legacy support natively and supports it in emulation.
 
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