WTF Does the Administration not just ask for more money? Election?: Iraq Operations underfunded/potentially underfunded

tnitsuj

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I think the best thing at this point is for people in the administration to finally start giving us hard information on the actual costs of this war, it's not like the congress won't give them whatever they need.

washingtonpost.com

War May Require More Money Soon

By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, April 21, 2004; Page A01

Intense combat in Iraq is chewing up military hardware and consuming money at an unexpectedly rapid rate -- depleting military coffers, straining defense contractors and putting pressure on Bush administration officials to seek a major boost in war funding long before they had hoped.

Since Congress approved an $87 billion defense request last year, the administration has steadfastly maintained that military forces in Iraq will be sufficiently funded until early next year. President Bush's budget request for the fiscal year that begins Oct. 1 included no money for Iraqi operations, and his budget director, Joshua B. Bolten, said no request would come until January at the earliest.

But military officials, defense contractors and members of Congress say that worsening U.S. military fortunes in Iraq have dramatically changed the equation and that more money will be needed soon. This comes as lawmakers, returning from their spring break, voice unease about the mounting violence in Iraq and what they say is the lack of a clearly enunciated strategy for victory.

The military already has identified unmet funding needs, including initiatives aimed at providing equipment and weapons for troops in Iraq. The Army has publicly identified nearly $6 billion in funding requests that did not make Bush's $402 billion defense budget for 2005, including $132 million for bolt-on vehicle armor; $879 million for combat helmets, silk-weight underwear, boots and other clothing; $21.5 million for M249 squad automatic weapons; and $27 million for ammunition magazines, night sights and ammo packs. Also unfunded: $956 million for repairing desert-damaged equipment and $102 million to replace equipment lost in combat.

The Marine Corps' unfunded budget requests include $40 million for body armor, lightweight helmets and other equipment for "Marines engaged in the global war on terrorism," Marine Corps documents state. The Marines are also seeking 1,800 squad automatic weapons and 5,400 M4 carbine rifles.

Rep. Curt Weldon (R-Pa.), vice chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, charged that the president is playing political games by postponing further funding requests until after the election, to try to avoid reopening debate on the war's cost and future.

Weldon described the administration's current defense budget request as "outrageous" and "immoral" and said that at least $10 billion is needed for Iraqi operations over the next five months.

"There needs to be a supplemental, whether it's a presidential election year or not," he said. "The support of our troops has to be the number one priority of this country. . . . Somebody's got to get serious about this."

Rep. Chet Edwards (D-Tex.), who returned from Iraq on March 23, said senior Army officers and contractors told him "serious problems" will surface this summer if Congress does not approve more spending by June. Without the additional funding, food concession contracts will have to be renegotiated and operations and training bases in the United States will have to be cannibalized to finance operations in Iraq.

"If one American soldier in Iraq loses his life because Congress and the administration were afraid of the political consequences of another supplemental appropriations bill, shame on everyone who should be a part of that process," Edwards said.

Some lawmakers said that if the administration stands firm against supplemental military spending this year, Congress may act on its own this summer to increase spending. But without Bush's lead, lawmakers say, it will be difficult.

Pressed on the funding issue yesterday at a Senate hearing, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz conceded that higher-than-expected troop levels are draining some military accounts, but he said other accounts remain in surplus and can be tapped.

Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, was more equivocal: "We know that we have additional costs that we have to find funding sources for," he said. "We thought before that the services were identifying shortfalls that we could bridge. . . . I think we just have to assure ourselves that's still true."

The strains are beginning to show. Last month, all four military services began spending money halfway through the fiscal year that they were not supposed to touch until July, a senior Republican Armed Services Committee aide said. The military has asked Congress eight times in the past few months for permission to shift $619 million to urgent combat needs from less-pressing programs, Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.) said.

Scrambling to fill its needs, the Pentagon last week diverted 120 armored Humvees purchased by the Israel Defense Forces to Iraq. Yesterday, the Army announced a $110 million contract for still more armored Humvees.

But even that will not be enough, said Robert F. Mecredy, president of the defense group at Armor Holdings. As the two-front uprising in Iraq began taking its toll last month, the company's O'Gara-Hess & Eisenhardt Armoring Co. subsidiary cranked up its Ohio defense plant, turning out 214 heavily armored Humvees in March, revving up for 220 this month, even building its own bulletproof-glass operation to augment faltering suppliers.

But by September, Mecredy said, O'Gara's funding from the Army will be running out. Mecredy arrived in Washington yesterday for a week of intensive congressional lobbying. To keep Humvee production at the Army's requested rate, he said, Armor Holdings will need $354 million more by Oct. 1, the beginning of fiscal 2005.

The top officers of Army Materiel Command began a major resupply review at Fort McCoy, Wis., yesterday to determine how to maintain operations in Iraq under increasingly strained circumstances, said Gary Motsek, the command's deputy director for support operations. The Army has worked through a serious supply problem with body armor, he said. And by next month, the command believes, a lingering short-supply problem with the tanklike treads of Bradley Fighting Vehicles will have been resolved.

But that is putting a further strain on the budget. Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. is now churning out 50,000 steel "shoes" for Bradley treads a month, and will be up to 70,000 by June, Motsek said.

And other problems are still being worked through. The backlog of rear rotor blades for Chinook transport helicopters has become serious, he said, with 24 Chinooks now grounded in Iraq. Pre-positioned military stockpiles in Kuwait are critically short.

"An alternative source of funding has to be identified," Motsek said. "We're going to have to be innovative, no doubt about it."

Bush administration officials have not wavered in their contention that money is actually plentiful. Dov S. Zakheim, who left his post as Pentagon comptroller last week, told reporters earlier this month that there may be a temporary spike in spending in the coming months but that costs would then steadily decline. By borrowing from military personnel, operations and maintenance accounts for the final half of 2005, the Pentagon may be able to bridge the gap, said Rep. John M. Spratt Jr. (S.C.), the ranking Democrat on the House Budget Committee. But budget chicanery of that magnitude would be unprecedented, he added.

"Whether they can do that if the requirement is $50 [billion] or $60 billion remains to be seen," Spratt said. "It's no way to run a budget."

© 2004 The Washington Post Company




 

Zephyr106

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: dahunan
http://www.costofwar.com/

And they don't have enough?

This is disgusting...


War is an incredibly expensive undertaking. I am not sure you understand the scope of what is going on in Iraq or what it takes to sustain it.

Both Afghanistan and Iraq need to be done right the "first time" this time. We saw what happened when both weren't done right the first time before.

Zephyr
 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: dahunan
http://www.costofwar.com/

And they don't have enough?

This is disgusting...


War is an incredibly expensive undertaking. I am not sure you understand the scope of what is going on in Iraq or what it takes to sustain it.


Do you still believe we and the 700+ dead American soldiers were told the truth and are doing the "right thing"?
 

Jhhnn

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From Tnitsuj-

War is an incredibly expensive undertaking.

Truer words have never been spoken.

OTOH, GWB Inc. wants us to believe it's not. Generally speaking, Governments raise taxes in time of War, while the Repubs are doing just the opposite. It's part and parcel of selling a lie- providing the illusion of prosperity while hobbling the federal govt with insurmountable debt. Part of their plan to re-make America as a corporate theocracy- bread, circuses and Jesus for the masses, unassailable wealth and power for the plutocracy, the holders of the debt.

Wrap it all up in old glory, sanctify it with religious and patriotic jingos, sprinkle in a generous dose of fearmongering, play some patriotic music in the background, gain unwitting complicity with pissant tax cuts for the upper middle class- lead 'em right down the primrose path...

Faced with the greatest foreign policy and fiscal integrity blunders of all time, a fair % of the voting public enters a state of denial- they just can't believe ol' Dubya could be lying to them, refuse to even consider the notion.

 

smashp

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President Bush is Weak, Weak, Weak On defence.
President Bush and his Admin have Botched all Operations they have Entered.
They Have no consistant Record of preparedness for possible Scenerios.
They Place Politics and their Agenda Above that of American lives.

Their is No "Cheap and easy War" as it was sold to the public pre-invasion.

We must properly Supply the military with what it needs to succeed whether it is money, troops, or equipment, Or Prepare for failure.

Any President that sacrifices The mission or troops for their Political survival is a failure.

The President is weak, unless he throws caution to the wind, reguardless of the Cost to his re-election.

Only then Could he show True Strength.
 

conjur

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http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0427/p20s02-usmb.html

US Sen. Richard Lugar (R) of Indiana, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, was Monday's guest. Here are excerpts from his remarks:

On the security situation in Iraq:

"We need to do more. We need to be decisive. We need to solve the security problem. And we are hopeful the president ... will take hold of that problem as the major focus, at least for this time period."

On help from allies in Iraq:

"There need to be more troops. Some deflect that by saying our allies could provide more ... and I would just say best of luck.... The allies are leaving as fast as they are coming. So we are really on our own, and the question is are we decisive enough to, in fact, bring about security?"

On the need for candor about the cost of the war:

"We are going to have to spend the money: The issue is for us to face that up front - for the president to indicate we need the troops [and] the money, as opposed to [Congress during hearings] trying to wheedle this out of reluctant [administration] witnesses."

On communication with the white house:

"There is a not a great deal of conversation. From time to time, Joe Biden [D of Delaware] and I have had calls in which Condi Rice has indicated she would like to visit with us privately, and we have gone over to the White House."

On the role of diplomacy in Iraq:

"Diplomacy is going to come back. It may be sort of rough and ready."

An expanded report is available at: http://blogs.csmonitor.com/cooks_capitol/[/q
 

lozina

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But one of GWB's negative ads on Kerry paint him as a man who does not support the troops, so why isn't he pouring all the support he can on the troops to set an example?
 

Zephyr106

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Originally posted by: lozina
But one of GWB's negative ads on Kerry paint him as a man who does not support the troops, so why isn't he pouring all the support he can on the troops to set an example?

Bush is a small government fiscal conservative. It's important that he stick to those roots because that's what he campaigned on.

Zephyr