Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Too bad (though I have never been much of a C'dale fan). It sounds as though their motorcycle venture has not really worked out for them - it must have required very high initial costs for tooling and marketing.
Wrong. Cannondale was unique in that they offered pro-level bikes at bargain prices (relatively speaking). A frame/fork weighing in under 4 lbs for well less than $1000 is a freaking great deal if you're a racer on a budget (as most are). That was the great thing about C'dale: they bridged the gap between department store bikes and ultra-high-end Euro bikes. They offered everything from an 18-lb ready-to-race road bike to a nice hybrid bike for mom and dad. The fact is, aluminum is a relatively expensive frame material and unless you've got uber-cheap labor to slap the frames together (China or Taiwan), you're going to pay a little more if that's what you want.Originally posted by: Stark
there will be a market for good bikes for a long, long time.
cannondale seemed to focus on a snobby elitist market instead of normal bike enthusiasts. Whenever I see one in places like REI for $500 more than a comparable bike from Trek or Specialized, I think "what a rip."
Bad news: Trek now owns Fisher and all but their top-tier stuff are made overseas. The irony your statement is that Cannondale basically went under trying to introduce a line of made-in-the-USA dirt bikes and ATVs since everything currently available is Japanese or KTM. You should feel bad for Cannondale.I have an old Trek road bike and two good Fisher Mtn bikes out in the garage. They were all built in the USA. Can't say I feel bad for Cannondale.
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Wrong. Cannondale was unique in that they offered pro-level bikes at bargain prices (relatively speaking). A frame/fork weighing in under 4 lbs for well less than $1000 is a freaking great deal if you're a racer on a budget (as most are). That was the great thing about C'dale: they bridged the gap between department store bikes and ultra-high-end Euro bikes. They offered everything from an 18-lb ready-to-race road bike to a nice hybrid bike for mom and dad. The fact is, aluminum is a relatively expensive frame material and unless you've got uber-cheap labor to slap the frames together (China or Taiwan), you're going to pay a little more if that's what you want.Originally posted by: Stark
there will be a market for good bikes for a long, long time.
cannondale seemed to focus on a snobby elitist market instead of normal bike enthusiasts. Whenever I see one in places like REI for $500 more than a comparable bike from Trek or Specialized, I think "what a rip."
Bad news: Trek now owns Fisher and all but their top-tier stuff are made overseas. The irony your statement is that Cannondale basically went under trying to introduce a line of made-in-the-USA dirt bikes and ATVs since everything currently available is Japanese or KTM. You should feel bad for Cannondale.I have an old Trek road bike and two good Fisher Mtn bikes out in the garage. They were all built in the USA. Can't say I feel bad for Cannondale.
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Wrong. Cannondale was unique in that they offered pro-level bikes at bargain prices (relatively speaking). A frame/fork weighing in under 4 lbs for well less than $1000 is a freaking great deal if you're a racer on a budget (as most are). That was the great thing about C'dale: they bridged the gap between department store bikes and ultra-high-end Euro bikes. They offered everything from an 18-lb ready-to-race road bike to a nice hybrid bike for mom and dad. The fact is, aluminum is a relatively expensive frame material and unless you've got uber-cheap labor to slap the frames together (China or Taiwan), you're going to pay a little more if that's what you want.Originally posted by: Stark
there will be a market for good bikes for a long, long time.
cannondale seemed to focus on a snobby elitist market instead of normal bike enthusiasts. Whenever I see one in places like REI for $500 more than a comparable bike from Trek or Specialized, I think "what a rip."
Bad news: Trek now owns Fisher and all but their top-tier stuff are made overseas. The irony your statement is that Cannondale basically went under trying to introduce a line of made-in-the-USA dirt bikes and ATVs since everything currently available is Japanese or KTM. You should feel bad for Cannondale.I have an old Trek road bike and two good Fisher Mtn bikes out in the garage. They were all built in the USA. Can't say I feel bad for Cannondale.
a 4lb frame / fork ??? what size frame 8"...
a high end judy / manitou weighs 3lbs combine that with a trek oclv frame and you have 7lbs
btw the last i knew treks oclv frames were the lightest
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: outriding
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Wrong. Cannondale was unique in that they offered pro-level bikes at bargain prices (relatively speaking). A frame/fork weighing in under 4 lbs for well less than $1000 is a freaking great deal if you're a racer on a budget (as most are). That was the great thing about C'dale: they bridged the gap between department store bikes and ultra-high-end Euro bikes. They offered everything from an 18-lb ready-to-race road bike to a nice hybrid bike for mom and dad. The fact is, aluminum is a relatively expensive frame material and unless you've got uber-cheap labor to slap the frames together (China or Taiwan), you're going to pay a little more if that's what you want.Originally posted by: Stark
there will be a market for good bikes for a long, long time.
cannondale seemed to focus on a snobby elitist market instead of normal bike enthusiasts. Whenever I see one in places like REI for $500 more than a comparable bike from Trek or Specialized, I think "what a rip."
Bad news: Trek now owns Fisher and all but their top-tier stuff are made overseas. The irony your statement is that Cannondale basically went under trying to introduce a line of made-in-the-USA dirt bikes and ATVs since everything currently available is Japanese or KTM. You should feel bad for Cannondale.I have an old Trek road bike and two good Fisher Mtn bikes out in the garage. They were all built in the USA. Can't say I feel bad for Cannondale.
a 4lb frame / fork ??? what size frame 8"...
a high end judy / manitou weighs 3lbs combine that with a trek oclv frame and you have 7lbs
btw the last i knew treks oclv frames were the lightest
Hehe...I was talking about road frames specifically. The latest C'dale frames are coming in around 2.7lbs + slightly less than a pound for a carbon fork and you've got a sub-4 lb frameset.
OCLV frames don't weigh anywhere near 4lbs, btw. More like 2.2 for a road frame and a bit more for the MTB version. Lance Armstrong's complete TdF bike is right at 16 lbs IIRC. It's not too tough to put a sub-20lb front-suspension MTB together these days either.
