WP7 hits 25k apps(supposedly), growing very nicely

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shortylickens

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damn... i gotta install zune software :(

That's one thing I like android and WebOS over WP7 and iOS: OTA updates!

I coudlnt even use my iPhone 4 because iTunes was a mess and for some reason wouldnt install updates or properly sync music. Fuck that shit.

I definitely like android better for simplicity and options. Wifi or cellular updates, mass storage support and drag & drop file moving, USB and wifi tether with no bullshit, rooting, and some other things I cant recall.

But actually I could deal with WP7 if a phone came out with good battery life that could do HD Netflix all day long. Great way to kill time while sitting around. If something like that was on Verizon right now I'd jump in and get two years of unlimited data.
 

Deeko

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Deeko, the agreement was clarified a bit, we can discuss it all we want, just not give out code. Speaking of, wanna hook me up with a beta of Deekfit that works with multitasking? I also have some UI recommendations for you if you'd like.

http://www.wpcentral.com/developers-using-mango-under-nda-yes-kind-of

Thus far, Mango is phenomenal on my Surround. I've owned the 3/4 major smartphone OSes now (WP7, iOS, Android 2.3) and with Mango, WP7 is now the best IMO. Before it was the most smooth and my personal favorite to use, but not the "best," now I believe it is.

Sweet, good to know. I kinda figured when Joe Belfiore was RTing people on Twitter that were posting about Mango, that it was ok, but still...don't need to get in trouble!

I'm actually working on a new version of DeekFit Gym as we speak...I was really hoping to be able to put fast app switching in it, but of course Mango apps aren't compatible with NoDo....I'll need to do some conditional compilation and produce both versions for the next six months or so, I guess. And yes, I'd welcome any recommendations on the app. I'm working on a few UI overhauls in this version, so nows the time to get input!
 

EightySix Four

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Sweet, good to know. I kinda figured when Joe Belfiore was RTing people on Twitter that were posting about Mango, that it was ok, but still...don't need to get in trouble!

I'm actually working on a new version of DeekFit Gym as we speak...I was really hoping to be able to put fast app switching in it, but of course Mango apps aren't compatible with NoDo....I'll need to do some conditional compilation and produce both versions for the next six months or so, I guess. And yes, I'd welcome any recommendations on the app. I'm working on a few UI overhauls in this version, so nows the time to get input!

When entering completed reps in a routine, "add entry" ends up under the keyboard on the surround which is a big pain in the ass. I'd also like to be able to input a number of sets as well, for example when doing SL 5x5 entering the 5 sets also takes more effort than, 5 reps x whatever weight five times just feels unecessary.
 

finbarqs

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damn it.. iOS 5, Android, WebOS, all have OTA updates... so WP7 will be the lone ranger, forcing you to install software on your system to update the phone?

Does mango fixes this? I mean, iOS does! I was so surprised when Jobs announced iOS 5 will have OTA updates... I thought it always did! but I guess we'll see if Mango will have OTA... I mean... how about 4G and Wifi only, with a prerequisite of over 90% battery? THAT would be acceptable to me!
 

EightySix Four

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damn it.. iOS 5, Android, WebOS, all have OTA updates... so WP7 will be the lone ranger, forcing you to install software on your system to update the phone?

Does mango fixes this? I mean, iOS does! I was so surprised when Jobs announced iOS 5 will have OTA updates... I thought it always did! but I guess we'll see if Mango will have OTA... I mean... how about 4G and Wifi only, with a prerequisite of over 90% battery? THAT would be acceptable to me!

As far as we know, at this moment in time, no Mango doesn't do OTA.
 

Deeko

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When entering completed reps in a routine, "add entry" ends up under the keyboard on the surround which is a big pain in the ass. I'd also like to be able to input a number of sets as well, for example when doing SL 5x5 entering the 5 sets also takes more effort than, 5 reps x whatever weight five times just feels unecessary.

The former makes sense. I'm hoping to improve the routine experience a good deal in this version - that section has always been a little tricky because I don't use it :) I use free workout mode for everything, so I rely on what other people say to make improvements. Just last week a friend was complaining that he couldn't set up his routines like he wanted...turns out he just wanted to use the routine schedule feature, and it wasn't intuitive to figure out without guidance. Lesson learned.

I'm considering adding the latter to the routine entry mode only. I feel like if you're using routine mode, you want quick and easy (such as specifying the number of sets up front), whereas in free mode you want something more powerful/specific.
 

EightySix Four

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The former makes sense. I'm hoping to improve the routine experience a good deal in this version - that section has always been a little tricky because I don't use it :) I use free workout mode for everything, so I rely on what other people say to make improvements. Just last week a friend was complaining that he couldn't set up his routines like he wanted...turns out he just wanted to use the routine schedule feature, and it wasn't intuitive to figure out without guidance. Lesson learned.

I'm considering adding the latter to the routine entry mode only. I feel like if you're using routine mode, you want quick and easy (such as specifying the number of sets up front), whereas in free mode you want something more powerful/specific.

Like I said, if you need a beta tester or anything, just let me know. I like the app a lot and am more than willing to give more exact interface improvements and such.
 

vbuggy

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I've seen the uptick in apps, but I've also seen it in the form of totally useless pieces of crap - so here's to hoping that more key 'tentpole' apps make an appearance.

As for OTA updates, oh, you mean the OTA update that's still not available for my Xoom, which has now taken much longer than I was waiting for Nodo? :hmm:

Or you mean the OTA update for my Milestone that came, hmm, when was it...

... I'll stop now :sneaky:

I have no problems with PC-based updates, it's infrequent enough and besides, there's a fair to middling chance that you might need to be beside one anyway.

I am positive on the overall experience, but the Zune service (which I like) isn't fully consistent despite the time they've had to work on it. And while Metro is clean in the media player, it's not complete by any stretch of the imagination and I do wish for a lot of the small pieces of coolness than the Zune HD brought to the table. (I actually only bought the HD when I moved over to WP7 as before that there was no point. I was very surprised to be pretty impressed at a player I'd completely ignored for 2 years)

I only look at stuff when they ship so I have no idea how much of this Mango addresses. I hope they do. The platform is rock solid right now, unlike the utterly crud iPhone 3G-3GS-4 I've never had to reset my radio stack, ever, on any of my Windows Phones. And while apps do crash I've not had to turn off the phone to recover from such errors so far. Handset build quality is also on another planet from the iUniverse - my oldest WP7 phone, the Omnia 7, has been uncased from day one and still is blemish-free: Good luck having the same experience on any iPhone, especially if it's been dropped a couple of times...

Mediawise, the huge advantage of Zune over the iUniverse for me is that I'm still free to do with my media what I like and store it where I like without Zune needing to be at the centre of it: iTunes can't take up library updates outside of it, Zune has no issues. So it lives happily on the network with an HTPC running optimal software for that task, a desktop with a pro sound card, etc without problems. And I still get playcount syncing - which is what I wanted all along and what made me stick for so long to Apple wares.

I really wish Microsoft would work on the marketing though: We can't go around saying "oh people in the sales channel undersell it". It's natural - its iPhone uber alles right now. Microsoft now has a firm grip on the tech and the user experience, they need just as firm a grip on marketing - it's just as important. And they've been criminally incompetent in that area, especially in comparison to Apple. With Gorillaman in charge though, the failing at marketing begins at the top... and the pessimist in me thinks it won't get any better.
 
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Mopetar

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I've seen the uptick in apps, but I've also seen it in the form of totally useless pieces of crap - so here's to hoping that more key 'tentpole' apps make an appearance.

Microsoft could put a version of their Office software on WP7, much like how Apple put versions of their iLife software on the iPhone and iPad. That could be a major selling point for some business users.
 

Deeko

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Microsoft could put a version of their Office software on WP7, much like how Apple put versions of their iLife software on the iPhone and iPad. That could be a major selling point for some business users.

They do - and frankly, its awesome.
 

Red Storm

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So can any WP7 user tell me if there's an app yet that can play a good number of video files without needing to convert or use Zune software? I will definitely be tempted to switch over if so...
 

Andrmgic

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Considering that you can't put files on the device directly.. there wouldn't be much point to it at this stage.

If you want drag/drop with no conversion, the samsung galaxy s II is the best phone I've ever seen for codec support out of the box, but it runs Android.
 

dougp

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So can any WP7 user tell me if there's an app yet that can play a good number of video files without needing to convert or use Zune software? I will definitely be tempted to switch over if so...

No, because there's no file system access.
 

Red Storm

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Considering that you can't put files on the device directly.. there wouldn't be much point to it at this stage.

If you want drag/drop with no conversion, the samsung galaxy s II is the best phone I've ever seen for codec support out of the box, but it runs Android.

Yeah I know Samsung offers native support for a lot of codecs, but Android phones and the iPhone both have apps that can help with this as well. Considering just how much media I watch on my phone, this is one of the more important things to me, so I guess I'll be waiting for WP7 to get this before jumping aboard.
 

TheStu

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Because you get what you pay for? :sneaky:

Sometimes

isn't google docs for free? why is microsoft charging for Office 365?

Because Google seems to 'think' in terms of free and Microsoft seems to 'thinks' in terms of $$.

That is just a general impression, and by no means a hard and fast rule. But Google tends to 'sell' stuff for free because the selling the product isn't how they make their money since they are an advertising company. Microsoft is a software company on the other hand.

I look forward to a review of Office 365 from someone other than Paul Thurrott.
 

Deeko

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isn't google docs for free? why is microsoft charging for Office 365?

Google Docs is free just like Office Online is free (go to skydrive.com, you can access/edit word/excel/powerpoint online). Office 365 is a more robust set of services targeted at enterprise - the market where Google currently charges $6/user.
 

rockyct

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damn it.. iOS 5, Android, WebOS, all have OTA updates... so WP7 will be the lone ranger, forcing you to install software on your system to update the phone?

Does mango fixes this? I mean, iOS does! I was so surprised when Jobs announced iOS 5 will have OTA updates... I thought it always did! but I guess we'll see if Mango will have OTA... I mean... how about 4G and Wifi only, with a prerequisite of over 90% battery? THAT would be acceptable to me!
Why are you so against the Zune software? It works wonderfully and I didn't even think the iPhone could do anything without iTunes on your computer. There have only been two WP7 updates since it came out. It's not like there's an update once a week or something.
 

finbarqs

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iOS requires iTunes for right now, but iOS5 will not. I'm just use to Android and WebOS, where updates are OTA... it's nice having it completely independent. That or I'm too poor to afford a computer!
 

TheStu

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iOS requires iTunes for right now, but iOS5 will not. I'm just use to Android and WebOS, where updates are OTA... it's nice having it completely independent. That or I'm too poor to afford a computer!

How do you get your music onto the phone, with your playlists and ratings? I haven't used Android/WebOS extensively like I have iOS and WinMoPho.

With iOS 5 and WinMoPho at least you can do a wifi sync. Do your first run hooked up (not that you have to) and then let it do incremental changes at night while you sleep.
 

rockyct

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iOS requires iTunes for right now, but iOS5 will not. I'm just use to Android and WebOS, where updates are OTA... it's nice having it completely independent. That or I'm too poor to afford a computer!
I'm not sure why you're so against installing software on a computer. I got my mom a Zune to listen to podcasts and even she can figure it out. Unless someone is starting with no content and you're looking to the "cloud" to buy and store your music, you're going to plug your device in to transfer content. I barely even plug my phone into my computer now because of the wifi sync WP7/Zune has. I can drag stuff into the phone if it's not plugged in and it will sync when it's charging.

If you can't afford a computer, then you shouldn't be buying a smartphone. The data plan by itself makes it $720 more than a dumbphone over the life of the contract. That's assuming you're already paying for a cell phone. Really, if you are that broke, get a Virgin prepaid phone or something.