WP up, BB down?

Toggle sidebar Toggle sidebar
S

s44

Diamond Member
Oct 13, 2006
9,427
16
81
Engadget (yeah, yeah, I know)

I guess BB defenders will note that this is (mostly -- not UK Feb though) before the BB10 launch, but it does indicate the hole they're trying to dig out of.

And yeah, Android is up more than WP, but the question is who survives as #3. I think BB has the better product vs. MS, but they really need those corporate sales to come through.
 
shortylickens

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
80,287
17,081
136
It just works.

And Nokia is moving from Symbian to WP so thats only natural. Even after all the nonsense they are still the largest single manufacturer.
 
Kneedragger

Kneedragger

Golden Member
Feb 18, 2013
1,187
43
91
I had a WP last year and its an ok phone but the lack of apps sucks. The notification system seemed half baked also. I'm actually going to check out the new BB today because I'm tired of my IPhone and want something new. While the BB also lacks apps I would much rate use that OS.
 
shortylickens

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
80,287
17,081
136
Kneedragger said:
I had a WP last year and its an ok phone but the lack of apps sucks. The notification system seemed half baked also. I'm actually going to check out the new BB today because I'm tired of y IPhone and want something new. While the BB also lacks apps I would much rate use that OS.
Click to expand...

I kept WP7 for a little over a year and was quite happy with it. But in that time Android made leaps and bounds worth of improvement. When I went back (starting with the Atrix 2 as a toy, and then the Note 2 for serious use) I was pleasantly surprised, and cant see myself moving away unless something god awful happens.
 
shortylickens

shortylickens

No Lifer
Jul 15, 2003
80,287
17,081
136
Red Storm said:
Crazy how much Android jumps up considering it's already huge marketshare.
Click to expand...

Like they pointed out, WinCE lost ground (which makes sense cuz they dont support it any more and no new devices), BB lost ground, and Symbian lost ground (which used to be the default OS on the worlds most popular hardware, Nokia).

So yeah, I can believe it.
 
poofyhairguy

poofyhairguy

Lifer
Nov 20, 2005
14,612
318
126
For me my old mental matrix goes like this (with each one's best case in my mind):

Android - For advanced users, or for people who want a cheap tablet. The best case is a guy like me.

iOS - either basic or intermediate users who want a smartphone and get into apps, but want all the sharp edges filed off. The best case is my mom and wife- don't want to know nitty gritty or even have a file manager, just want to play Sudoku (and other games like that).

Windows Phone OS - For a VERY basic user or a heavy Office user. Best case is my Grandma who can't get Facebook (its too hard) but wants the information on Facebook so Windows Phone just sticks it in a feed for her. Bonus points is that many Windows phones have large but low PPI screens which is great for Granny's old eyes.


Am I significantly missing something here? I would love to update my mental matrix for 2013 as I expect to get a lot of requests for advice this year.
 
G

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
41,091
513
126
s44 said:
Engadget (yeah, yeah, I know)

I guess BB defenders will note that this is (mostly -- not UK Feb though) before the BB10 launch, but it does indicate the hole they're trying to dig out of.

And yeah, Android is up more than WP, but the question is who survives as #3. I think BB has the better product vs. MS, but they really need those corporate sales to come through.
Click to expand...

Looking at those %'s who cares who survives as #3? They are as irrelevant as #4,5, and 6.
 
jaqie

jaqie

Platinum Member
Apr 6, 2008
2,471
1
0
I just hope blackberry keeps surviving. I have a curve 9350 and adore it, want to upgrade eventually to a newer traditional blackbery but for now this one is awesome for me.
 
D

dagamer34

Platinum Member
Aug 15, 2005
2,591
0
71
poofyhairguy said:
For me my old mental matrix goes like this (with each one's best case in my mind):

Android - For advanced users, or for people who want a cheap tablet. The best case is a guy like me.

iOS - either basic or intermediate users who want a smartphone and get into apps, but want all the sharp edges filed off. The best case is my mom and wife- don't want to know nitty gritty or even have a file manager, just want to play Sudoku (and other games like that).

Windows Phone OS - For a VERY basic user or a heavy Office user. Best case is my Grandma who can't get Facebook (its too hard) but wants the information on Facebook so Windows Phone just sticks it in a feed for her. Bonus points is that many Windows phones have large but low PPI screens which is great for Granny's old eyes.


Am I significantly missing something here? I would love to update my mental matrix for 2013 as I expect to get a lot of requests for advice this year.
Click to expand...

I don't know why Windows Phone is specifically for the "VERY basic", that implies that your average user wouldn't like it (which I don't find that to be true). Here's my matrix:

iOS) You want a smartphone and the absolutely latest app (even if you probably will never use it). Also, hipsters.

Android) You want a smartphone you can tinker to the n-th degree.

Windows Phone) You want a smartphone.

BlackBerry 10) You want a hardware keyboard. (the Z10 does not qualify).

I don't think it's any more complicated than that.
 
poofyhairguy

poofyhairguy

Lifer
Nov 20, 2005
14,612
318
126
dagamer34 said:
I don't know why Windows Phone is specifically for the "VERY basic", that implies that your average user wouldn't like it (which I don't find that to be true).
Click to expand...

For me the line between a very basic user and just a basic or intermediate user is their desire for popular apps. It seems when you get above a basic level (aka "I am getting a smartphone because everyone has one and I don't want to be left behind") the next tier up basically sees a smartphone as an app vending machine.

Last time I checked Windows Phone 8 doesn't have popular "me too" apps like Instagram and Pinterest. It has third party equivalents to actually access the services, but to this group of buyers they care WAY more about the brands then they do the services. They want the same app their friends have.

It matters more to be able to say "I got a phone with Instagram and Pinterest" than "I got a phone that accesses all the social networking services I use!" They might NEVER actually use these apps, but them being there means that they have the same access as their friends do and the people on TV do which feeds that innate safety need.

My sister is an intermediate user (has had both iOS and Android devices) who HATES her Surface because it lacks the popular apps she is used to having. Grandma doesn't know what Pinterest or Instagram is, she just knows her new phone makes it easy to look at pictures of her grandkids that her family says is on this Facebook thing.
 
Last edited:
Commodus

Commodus

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 2004
9,215
6,820
136
I'm going to be an outlier and ask: what's up with the "yeah, yeah, I know" remark? I'm assuming it's in relation to perceived bias.

It's funny how a lot of people rush to accuse site X or Y of bias, yet *every* site that isn't dedicated to the accuser's platform of choice is targeted with the exact same allegations. Engadget, The Verge, SlashGear, Wired... they're all supposedly part of a vast conspiracy to back Apple/Microsoft/name-your-platform. And of course, there's no supporting facts.

It'd be great if we could act like adults one day and accept that, sometimes, positive things will be said about platforms we don't personally like. It's a phone or PC, not a holy war against blasphemers.
 
M

MichaelBarg

Member
Oct 30, 2012
70
0
0
This tracks my (purely anecdotal) experience lately. Work has been rolling out a BYOD plan with a pretty generous reimbursement policy. Lots of people are turning in their blackberry and among those buying a new device several have gone with Windows Phone. Still a very small minority, but I know of 3 people who went with a Lumia or an 8x. If you'd asked me to guess I would have predicted zero.
 
S

Slick5150

Diamond Member
Nov 10, 2001
8,760
3
81
I've owned a Blackberry, 2 iPhones, 3 Android phones, a Palm Pre (sniff, I miss you), and now 2 Windows Phones.

That said, WP8 is a REALLY solid operating system. There's so much to love about it from a "it just works" standpoint. Is there still an app gap? Yes, but it's not nearly as significant as it was. Are there quirks and oddities to it? Absolutely. Would I give up my Lumia 920 for an Android phone right now? Nope.
 
Daniel Jones

Daniel Jones

Member
Mar 29, 2013
52
0
0
www.kiwitech.com
The market if BB is gone and with just two phones they can not compete with iPhone and Android in any way. When it is for #3 spot I will say that WP8 will capture that spot, their devices are awesome and available in all price range.
I have seen lot of friends using BB phones migrating to Android, iPhone, and Windows phone. Looks like BB will continue loosing market and #3 spot will be captured by Windows platform.
 
P

pantsaregood

Senior member
Feb 13, 2011
993
37
91
I haven't seen a BlackBerry on my campus, but I've seen Windows Phones. I saw a girl walking with a yellow phone a few days ago, immediately knew it was a Lumia 920.

BB doesn't have much of a chance at the #3 spot. Microsoft can dump money into WP until it succeeds - and that seems to be what they intend to do.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

COMPANY
RESOURCES
FOLLOW
Top Bottom