Woz "hates" Apple patent Case against Samsung, thinks it will be overturned

[Phokus]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...-iphone-photos-beat-his-samsung-galaxy-s.html

The two companies also are battling in court, with Apple being awarded more than $1 billion last month by a California jury that said Samsung copied the iPhone’s design. Samsung said it will appeal.
“I hate it,” Wozniak said when asked about the patent fights between Apple and Samsung. “I don’t think the decision of California will hold. And I don’t agree with it -- very small things I don’t really call that innovative.
“I wish everybody would just agree to exchange all the patents and everybody can build the best forms they want to use everybody’s technologies.”

Woz has always been a standup guy

 

[Spoooon]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...-iphone-photos-beat-his-samsung-galaxy-s.html



Woz has always been a standup guy

He just seems like a fun guy to have a beer with.

“I wish everybody would just agree to exchange all the patents and everybody can build the best forms they want to use everybody’s technologies.”

Wouldn't that be an interesting world to live in?

 

[Kenmitch]

It's not like Apple doesn't copy others.

Hmm....Looks a lot like a Nokia phone doesn't it.

 

[openwheel]

Wozniak is simply AWESOME!!!

 

[SAWYER]

Did he get screwed with Apple or did he come out good when he left?

 

[Anubis]

Did he get screwed with Apple or did he come out good when he left?

IIRC both things happened, but hes set for life

 

[Phokus]

Interestingly, he's still an Apple Employee and draws a check from them.

 

[Yongsta]

Interestingly, he's still an Apple Employee and draws a check from them.

Yes I believe he receives $120k a year from Apple. He was issued 4 million shares at it's IPO (worth around $2.7 billion today), wonder how much of AAPL he still owns.

 

[Aikouka]

Apple's suit was never about a singular patent infringement. They didn't like how Samsung's phone resembled (not 100% obviously) Apple's previous offerings. I'll admit that when I saw a photo of the Samsung phone in question, at that cursory glance, I thought it was a photo of an iPhone. However, this may be because I'm used to the iPhone and not to the Galaxy. Of course, it didn't take long for me to realize that it wasn't an iPhone. Perhaps the giant Samsung lettering helped? :hmm:

Interestingly, he's still an Apple Employee and draws a check from them.

I believe he has it setup so he gets the lowest salary possible. I forget the exact details, but I read about it in his biography.

Woz pretty much quit engineering after his plane crash because he stated that he just "lost" the capability (as odd as that may sound to some). Reading his biography makes him sound like a damn wizard with design though (back when things used a ton of chips for computation, display, etc., he could easily reduce the amount), so I wouldn't be surprised that the analytical aspect could be damaged via some head trauma.

 

[Super56K]

It's not like Apple doesn't copy others.

Hmm....Looks a lot like a Nokia phone doesn't it.

That's a little backwards though isn't it? The 7th gen nano is going back to the look of their older style. (i.e. looking like 4th and 5th gen again)

 

[cl-scott]

At least in this case, once upon a time Wozniak did develop some hardware, and it's nice to see that he's stayed largely true to the more community oriented spirit of the 1970s when Apple got started.

Apple, and pretty much everyone else in the PC industry, owes its success to the fact that there weren't all kinds of patent lawsuits flying around when they were getting started.

Now what someone needs to do, just to tick Apple off, is make a phone in the shape of an Apple. Just leave off the bite mark to avoid trademark issues. That would certainly be popcorn worthy IMO.

 

[Spoooon]

That's a little backwards though isn't it? The 7th gen nano is going back to the look of their older style. (i.e. looking like 4th and 5th gen again)

I think he's referring to that white "bezel." If it were black, it'd look pretty similar to the latest Nokias.

I preferred the square shaped Nano personally, though I kind of think that clip on shuffle is the best mp3 player around.

 

[MrX8503]

I think he's referring to that white "bezel." If it were black, it'd look pretty similar to the latest Nokias.

I preferred the square shaped Nano personally, though I kind of think that clip on shuffle is the best mp3 player around.

The new nano is copying the 4th/5th gen nano, which was out before the Nokia Lumia.

 

[Yongsta]

The new nano is copying the 4th/5th gen nano, which was out before the Nokia Lumia.

I think he's talking about the different bezel color around the edges, something the nano never had before (just one solid color throughout).

 

[openwheel]

sorry that ipod took design elements from Lumia.

 

[Spoooon]

The new nano is copying the 4th/5th gen nano, which was out before the Nokia Lumia.

Reminicent of a 5G nano, sure, but it looks more like a Lumia than a 5G nano to me. That does not mean they are infringing or copying or whatever (any and all panties can remain unbunched).

 

[Bateluer]

I like Woz, but I don't think he has any sway at Apple, with the courts, or with Apple's current customer base. Heck, I doubt many current iPhone owners even know who Woz is.

 

[preslove]

Anyone who thinks that the Nano didn't rip off Nokia, but believes that Samsung ripped off Apple is a hypocritical fanboy.

 

[cheezy321]

Anyone who thinks that the Nano didn't rip off Nokia, but believes that Samsung ripped off Apple is a hypocritical fanboy.

Anyone who thinks samsung didnt rip off apple yet thinks this nano is a rip off of Nokia is a hypocritical Apple hater.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Anyone who thinks that the Nano didn't rip off Nokia, but believes that Samsung ripped off Apple is a hypocritical fanboy.

Nokia is welcome to sue. Did you watch the interview with Stephen Elop? He did talk about litigation and how sometimes they will go on the offensive because other companies aren't in compliance.

Now let's think. If you want to make this like the Samsung case, Apple would have to make their iPhone and not iPod Nano look like the Nokia Lumia Windows Phones. Furthermore, it would have to then have software features that blatantly rip from Windows Phone. Where are the live tiles? Where's any element of Windows Phone in this?

So yes, you can contend the shell is a copy, but that's probably the limit of it. Meanwhile the SGS1 is not only a hardware copy but a software copy with internal documentation to show that they knowingly copied.

 

[preslove]

Anyone who thinks samsung didnt rip off apple yet thinks this nano is a rip off of Nokia is a hypocritical Apple hater.

I agree with Woz and don't think copying of basic design cues warrants legal action.

 

[MrX8503]

Anyone who thinks that the Nano didn't rip off Nokia, but believes that Samsung ripped off Apple is a hypocritical fanboy.

You're insane if you think you can compare the two. Samsung copied everything from software to hardware and back. Coupled that with mountains of internal memos and documents stating their copying by Samsung themselves. Google, the damn father of Android, told Samsung to back off even.

Ah well, no one's going to agree who copied who.

 

[tbtn]

It's not like Apple doesn't copy others.

Hmm....Looks a lot like a Nokia phone doesn't it.

LOL, I didn't want to be the first one to say this.

 

[hasu]

I have S3 right now and I used S2 briefly, I don't think it has anything in common with an iPhone. I have seen iPhones with my friends.

If the similarity is in the GUI, then I don't find anything totally different compared to PDA's from the early 2000's such as Toshiba e335 (which I still have). Even handspring Visor and Palm Piolet PDAs had two dimensional array of ICONs on the home page. I have seen PDA phones also with my friends in 2002-2003. So what is new with iPhone which nobody had before?

The only difference now a days is the touch screen and that too multi-touch enabled zooming, panning and stuff, I don't know who has patents for that, probably whoever built the first multi-touch screen should have patents for that - there must be some reason why someone should invent multi-touch enabled screen. I have seen demo videos of Microsoft surface computing machines with multi-touch capabilities. Basic Android also supports multi-touch I think. Everything else such as rounded corners or ICONs inside a square box with rounded corners and stuff like that had been in various software packages for very many years.

Edit: Here is the history of touch screen and mult-touch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch How can Apple try for multi-touch patents?

 

[openwheel]

Rectangular bar style phone, check.
Touch screen covering majority of front face, check.
Icons in a grid, check.

Everyone copies everyone!!! To say Apple never stole ideas from prior art is simply ridiculous.

If Samsung copied iPhone, then Apple copied Lumia in this case.