Wow, violent crime statistsics are way different than I thought.

[RedRooster]

That is total BS. Our city is not even 300K, and there's NO WAY we have over 2500 violent crimes per year. And this is hoodlum city if there ever was one.
They must count garbage can vandalism, j-walking and illegally parked cars if they're getting those kinds of numbers.

 

[zinfamous]

They mention that in UK an affray is considered a violent crime, so it's pretty obvious that it's more about the definition than a meaningful comparison.
Homicide rate is much less left to interpretation, and US has 5.0, Canada 1.81 and UK 1.28 from wiki, it's hard to believe that the numbers reverse when you look at violent crime rates...

yeah, if they consider a bar fight as a violent crime, then that would certainly skew things.

here, it's got to be stabbing, rape, gunshot, bludgeoning, etc...

 

[jlee]

Wait, that would make the inner cities safe places to live! Now there's a thought. :sneaky:

You should do a ride along in south central L.A. Man, talk about an eye opener. I've been through some of those areas in daylight. Not a friendly place...

Yeah, I don't have much interest in working out there. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be considered as crime, but I'm curious if gang violence is skewing the numbers more so for some countries than others.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Woah, neat link. Worth poking around there.

I just wanted to post "There's a service called Google Data Explorer?"

It's crazy keeping up with all the services they offer.

 

[OverVolt]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ry-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

The article has the numbers of violent crime victims per 100,000 people in several different countries. Apparently:
US: 466
Canada: 935
UK: 2034

Now, I'm not going to weigh in on gun control law, but I was totally under the impression that you were much more likely to be the victim of a violent crime in the US than the UK or Canada.

Statistics don't lie but liars use statistics.

*Puts on bullet vest*

 

[OverVolt]

That is total BS. Our city is not even 300K, and there's NO WAY we have over 2500 violent crimes per year. And this is hoodlum city if there ever was one.
They must count garbage can vandalism, j-walking and illegally parked cars if they're getting those kinds of numbers.

More like strong arm robbery, assaults, etc.

Most assaults are personal you know. Beat up your daughters boyfriend because he broke her dads window or whatever stupid BS people get themselves into.

2,500 violent crimes, a small fraction of which are murder etc. How many cops do you think your city has? Do they just sit around all day? lol they are there for a reason.

 

[jlee]

That is total BS. Our city is not even 300K, and there's NO WAY we have over 2500 violent crimes per year. And this is hoodlum city if there ever was one.
They must count garbage can vandalism, j-walking and illegally parked cars if they're getting those kinds of numbers.

I didn't know you lived here...

 

[Patranus]

2nd Amendment - Does wonderful things.

 

[OlafSicky]

One of Canadian definitions of assault.

"An assault may also take the form of an attempt or threat, by an act or
gesture, to apply force to another person."

So tell someone that you are going to kick their ass = assault in Canacustan

 

[OCGuy]

One of Canadian definitions of assault.

"An assault may also take the form of an attempt or threat, by an act or
gesture, to apply force to another person."

So tell someone that you are going to kick their ass = assault in Canacustan

That is what "assault" here is too. Physical harm is actually "battery."

 

[0roo0roo]

what the 'gun control doesn't work' people fail to mention when they talk of the escalating 'violent crime' levels in the UK is that the very definition of violent crime was changed at the same time.

The Homicide rate is all you need to pay attention to - no ambiguity in what constitutes dead or not.

Frankly - it's a huge black eye on America - but most don't see it as a problem, or pass it off with bs like 'when you mix all of these types of people together there are going to be problems'.

not really, if gangs kill other gang members honestly who cares. what matters is random crime, and if people are being mugged that is far different and more important to normal people than thugs killing thugs.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

LOL @ the idiots in this thread who are taking those numbers at face value.

The U.K. has more violent crimes than South Africa? Hahahahah. If you're dumb enough to believe that I've got a bridge to sell you.

 

[mnewsham]

That is total BS. Our city is not even 300K, and there's NO WAY we have over 2500 violent crimes per year. And this is hoodlum city if there ever was one.
They must count garbage can vandalism, j-walking and illegally parked cars if they're getting those kinds of numbers.

Maybe someone cut in line at Tim Hortons! That's probably added into that number too

 

[Loop2kil]

I don't have proof to back up this statement but I believe the only reason 'violent' crime shows to be 'down' in the US is because of the way crimes are being labeled. A crime that is labeled as violent anywhere else in the world is probably getting labeled as something else here to simply make the stats look better for our beloved politicians.

 

[disappoint]

Daffynition of violent crime in the US: Nuked from orbit.
Daffynition of violent crime in the UK/Canada: Broken fingernail bumping into a pedestrian in a crowd.

 

[OCGuy]

I don't have proof to back up this statement .

Just stop there. Nobody cares about conspiracy theories.

 

[alkemyst]

I find those numbers very very hard to believe. No way Canada has more violent crime than the US. Something tells me the definition is at play here.

it's not more, it's more per capita

 

[mmntech]

Their number for Canada is correct.

Most of the violent crime in Canada constitutes assaults and uttering threats. Assault has a pretty loose definition. Rates for murder, sexual assault, and robbery are much lower.
http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/LEGAL50A-eng.htm

 

[Scouzer]

it's not more, it's more per capita

Using equal definitions, Canada does not have more violent crime per capita than the US. Even alkemyst should be able to figure that out.

 

[actuarial]

This is the only link I could find which has a comparable definition of violent crime, even going over the definitions to identify the differences.

Using this definition, (the US one, where only aggravated assault is included as a violent crime not all assaults), Canada has a much lower violent crime rate (half).

It does have a higher property crime rate though.

 

[JTsyo]

Woah, neat link. Worth poking around there.

Japan and India have super low numbers. Got to think the India numbers are due to under reporting.

When i added Mexico tot he list, it had to rest the scales, lol.

 

[vi edit]

not really, if gangs kill other gang members honestly who cares. what matters is random crime, and if people are being mugged that is far different and more important to normal people than thugs killing thugs.

Kinda my feelings too. I wonder what our actual homicide rate is if you take black on black shootings out of the equation.

In my city we usually have about 30 homicides a year. Typically 28/30 (or some incredibly high number like that) is one gang banger taking out another.

The other one or two are a white trash whacked out boyfriend gunning down an ex-gf/wife.

 

[Anarchist420]

Kinda my feelings too. I wonder what our actual homicide rate is if you take black on black shootings out of the equation.

In my city we usually have about 30 homicides a year. Typically 28/30 (or some incredibly high number like that) is one gang banger taking out another.

The other one or two are a white trash whacked out boyfriend gunning down an ex-gf/wife.

This exactly. If you were to take gang member vs. gang member out of the equation, the American homicide rate would be like 2% of what it's reported to be.
Decent Americans have been safer in spite of, not because of the government. However, once Section 8 housing takes off even more like the U.K.'s equivalent has, then you can expect the murders of decent people to skyrocket. I've never understood how my dad's brother lived in Section 8 housing for most of the 2nd half of his life, was usually unarmed, and how he died at 69 of congestive heart failure. He and my cousin got burglarized many times, but they never got robbed.

Also, it's been proven that you're much more likely to die in the U.K. from a knife than you are from a gun in the U.S.

If the national concealed carry act passes though, I expect things to get worse here because the government will give violent people like themselves arms and then they'll deny the permits to non-aggressive people. I expect it to pass actually.

 

[Anarchist420]

It's just like how relegalization of dueling would make non aggressive people safer.

 

[FDF12389]

If the national concealed carry act passes though, I expect things to get worse here because the government will give violent people like themselves arms and then they'll deny the permits to non-aggressive people. I expect it to pass actually.

A. No way permits will be issued on a federal level.
B. 49 states already allow it.
C. The bold part makes no sense, what did you base that statement off of?