Wow. Toyota to continue to sell new vehicles with recall without fix

[zoiks]

Who mentioned here that Toyota always has the foresight to look out for their customers?

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/25/report-toyota-continuing-to-sell-recalled-vehicles-without-a-fi/

 

[Gibson486]

Once it leaves the factory, it's in the dealer's hands, not Toyota's.

 

[Vette73]

How dare you try and run the great Toyota through the mud...

 

[Gibson486]

How dare you try and run the great Toyota through the mud...

Transformers?

 

[zoiks]

Once it leaves the factory, it's in the dealer's hands, not Toyota's.

Not sure what you really mean there but the recall (even though voluntary) is issued by Toyota itself. The cars are serviced at the dealers. The least Toyota could do is retrofit the fix in their cars before they leave the parking lot.
Of course the dealers won't do it if they aren't being compensated for the fix by Toyota.

 

[Gibson486]

Not sure what you really mean there but the recall (even though voluntary) is issued by Toyota itself. The cars are serviced at the dealers. The least Toyota could do is retrofit the fix in their cars before they leave the parking lot.
Of course the dealers won't do it if they aren't being compensated for the fix by Toyota.

yes, you hit the nail on the head. "least Toyota could do is retrofit the fix in their cars before they leave the parking lot"....problem is that once it leaves the factory is owned by the lot that bought it.

 

[zoiks]

yes, you hit the nail on the head. "least Toyota could do is retrofit the fix in their cars before they leave the parking lot"....problem is that once it leaves the factory is owned by the lot that bought it.

Yes. But why wouldn't the dealers then be able to fix the recalled cars before they're sold? I bet it's only because Toyota won't pay them for it.

 

[Gibson486]

Yes. But why wouldn't the dealers then be able to fix the recalled cars before they're sold? I bet it's only because Toyota won't pay them for it.

because you don't touch cars before you sell them.

 

[StageLeft]

This seems very stupid. Also risky. Rest assured if somebody dies in an accident attribituable to a defect that was part of a recall and they bought that car after the recall from a licensed Toyota dealer just watch those dollars in a lawsuit. Also devastating for PR.

 

[ElFenix]

This seems very stupid. Also risky. Rest assured if somebody dies in an accident attribituable to a defect that was part of a recall and they bought that car after the recall from a licensed Toyota dealer just watch those dollars in a lawsuit. Also devastating for PR.

worse, on a test drive

 

[brblx]

because you don't touch cars before you sell them.

uh, when a new car gets unloaded at the dealer, it gets inspected, driven, and all open recalls and service campaigns get performed. maybe don't make smart-ass posts regarding things you clearly know little about.

also, the reason no recall is being performed is because toyota has not yet made a fixed part. all they can do is swap the pedal assembly for a new one that will still eventually (possibly, supposedly) develop the defect. personally, i think toyota's legal team probably knows a little more about risk management than you guys. if they're selling the cars, it's because, surprise, nothing is going to happen.

 

[Vette73]

uh, when a new car gets unloaded at the dealer, it gets inspected, driven, and all open recalls and service campaigns get performed. maybe don't make smart-ass posts regarding things you clearly know little about.

also, the reason no recall is being performed is because toyota has not yet made a fixed part. all they can do is swap the pedal assembly for a new one that will still eventually (possibly, supposedly) develop the defect. personally, i think toyota's legal team probably knows a little more about risk management than you guys. if they're selling the cars, it's because, surprise, nothing is going to happen.

Quoted for fail...

"Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don’t do one."

Yea they know risk MGT... for THEM not the driver.

 

[brblx]

i'm sorry, i forgot that you obviously know more about running a car company than them because you've seen fight club.

 

[StageLeft]

i think toyota's legal team probably knows a little more about risk management than you guys. if they're selling the cars, it's because, surprise, nothing is going to happen.

You are probably right. After all there's never been a class action lawsuit in the US for negligence by a corporation. Never.

i'm sorry, i forgot that you obviously know more about running a car company than them because you've seen fight club.

We forgive you.

 

[brblx]

in order for a 'negligence' lawsuit to be filed, something has to actually happen to someone.

are you not curious why toyota has recalled millions of vehicles in this country and zero in europe and japan? because they're just trying using a CYA strategy to protect themselves from morons.

how about the shifter assemblies that break in nearly every cobalt GM has ever sold? oh noes, teh indicator might display the wrong gear and i may die because of my own stupidity. where's the recall for that?

 

[Vette73]

in order for a 'negligence' lawsuit to be filed, something has to actually happen to someone.

are you not curious why toyota has recalled millions of vehicles in this country and zero in europe and japan? because they're just trying using a CYA strategy to protect themselves from morons.

how about the shifter assemblies that break in nearly every cobalt GM has ever sold? oh noes, teh indicator might display the wrong gear and i may die because of my own stupidity. where's the recall for that?

How many people have died because of this "major" problem with the Cobalt?

Many people have died and had this issue with Toyotas. They tried to play it off, then blamed the carpet, and now admit its the car itself. Yet even with that they still sell it. Why? Because they know it would cost way more to stop selling the broken cars then fix them. Even with the payouts to the people who have died is still cheaper then a recall/stop selling.

 

[brblx]

oh, sorry, i forgot that this recall is the same cars as the 3mil with the floor mats.

....oh wait, it's not.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

uh, when a new car gets unloaded at the dealer, it gets inspected, driven, and all open recalls and service campaigns get performed. maybe don't make smart-ass posts regarding things you clearly know little about.

also, the reason no recall is being performed is because toyota has not yet made a fixed part. all they can do is swap the pedal assembly for a new one that will still eventually (possibly, supposedly) develop the defect. personally, i think toyota's legal team probably knows a little more about risk management than you guys. if they're selling the cars, it's because, surprise, nothing is going to happen.

Yup hes right. I watched them unload my TDI off the truck but I was not allowed to touch it, let alone sit in or drive it until they finished the pre-delivery inspection

 

[spidey07]

in order for a 'negligence' lawsuit to be filed, something has to actually happen to someone.

are you not curious why toyota has recalled millions of vehicles in this country and zero in europe and japan? because they're just trying using a CYA strategy to protect themselves from morons.

how about the shifter assemblies that break in nearly every cobalt GM has ever sold? oh noes, teh indicator might display the wrong gear and i may die because of my own stupidity. where's the recall for that?

The recall will include another 2 million vehicles in Europe. This is a very serious safety problem.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100125-702858.html?mod=WSJ_World_MIDDLEHeadlinesAsia

TOKYO (Dow Jones)--Toyota Motor Corp. (7203.TO) expects to recall roughly 2.0 million vehicles in Europe to fix defective gas pedals, a person familiar with the matter said Monday.

Because the company is still working on finalizing the exact number of vehicles to be recalled, it's unclear when the recall will be formally announced, the person said.

The move comes after Toyota said last Thursday it will recall 2.3 million vehicles in the U.S. for the same gas pedal-related problem.

The combined volume of 4.3 million vehicles in the two regions to be recalled due to the faulty pedal is equal to 55% of the 7.81 million cars and trucks that the Toyota group including Daihatsu Motor Co. and Hino Motors Ltd. (7205.TO) sold globally in 2009.

The final recall volume in Europe could vary, depending on the country's rules for repairing faulty parts, the person added.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

in order for a 'negligence' lawsuit to be filed, something has to actually happen to someone.

are you not curious why toyota has recalled millions of vehicles in this country and zero in europe and japan? because they're just trying using a CYA strategy to protect themselves from morons.

how about the shifter assemblies that break in nearly every cobalt GM has ever sold? oh noes, teh indicator might display the wrong gear and i may die because of my own stupidity. where's the recall for that?

To be fair, it wasnt a safety thing, it was just a huge PITA cause it wouldnt shift out of park when you started it. Yet another problem with my POS cobalt

 

[brblx]

The recall will include another 2 million vehicles in Europe. This is a very serious safety problem.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100125-702858.html?mod=WSJ_World_MIDDLEHeadlinesAsia

i will eat my words on that- all the news articles have only been mentioning US recalls.

phoking, i was referring to the little indicator tabs breaking off, not the dead shift lock solenoids (or bad ignition locks), which aren't as common. my point was that it was a safety non-issue but could easily be made one by a dumb enough person.

 

[LTC8K6]

AFAIK, recalls are performed at the dealer on the cars on the lot as soon as possible. They do not wait until the cars are purchased by the public.

 

[PricklyPete]

Yikes...this can't be good for Toyota...55% of the cars sold in 2009...not pretty at all.

 

[Evadman]

How dare you try and run the great Toyota through the mud...

Nice frame taco.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Nice frame taco.

In all fairness, that Tacoma was doing a very rugged maneuver at the time. It was backing up in a parking lot.

Toyota's getting a taste of what GM went through with their truck's gas tanks. Congrats Toyota. You joined the Big Three. Here's your luggage.