NO! I am not a Nazi Supporter and I hate the SS too. What i am refering to is their regular army generals and some of them are just GENIUS!
WOW...there are so many GENIUS GERMAN generals in WWII that it is just AMAZING!
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You are indeed correct. And had they not been hamstrung by the arrogant socialist power hungery Hitler, they might have won the war.
GasX
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The German military's whole doctrine of warfare was light years ahead of anyone else's at the beginning of the war. By the time everyone else had figured out the basic concepts of blitzkrieg, the German's had mastered it. Does this mean they were geniuses or just operating a superior war machine?
They lost because hitler went mad. But their generals kept their composure and did their best job as a professional soldier. Morever, german generals are more caring for their troops compared to the Japanese. They know when the cause is lost and surrender, saving many lives and agony.
Obviously some sort of intelligence has to go into creating a superior war machine. All the countries then had an equal or better footing economically and military-wise after WW1. Germany was really an underdog and I think the intelligence of their generals is what gave them such an advantage.
Yes, during WWII, the german army (NOT THE SS) are one of the best trained and disciplined army in the world. Even the US army who oversaw the surrender in Europe were impressed by their professionalism. When the order is given to surrender, they do it in a professional manner marching as on unit. If that was the japanese, they probly have all did a last minute BANZAI charge
on a side note, did you watch "Blind Spot: Hilter's Secretary" as well? If so, which one is better?
PingSpike
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I think had Germany not wasted its resources trying to conquer the soviet union, they probably would have held on to the gains they made for a signifigantly long time. Had it not been for Russia's virtually endless supply of soldiers things certainly would have played out differently.
Hilter made a lot of stupid decisions, but the German army was an impressive war machine.
Hilter made a lot of stupid decisions, but the German army was an impressive war machine.
Too bad one of the generals couldn't accomplish his plans to kill hitler....but thats what rushing will do...
The obligatory disclaimer: Hitler was an evil madman, who with the complicit help of many, many Germans (and others) inside the military and out, killed untold numbers of people. One of the bleakest chapters of world history.
On a strict note about the German military machine: Obviously, they had some brilliant strategists and tactics. Not to mention their scientists. Goodness knows we learned much about jet propulsion from them, and enlisted many in our own space program.
I think that in the end, we were all very fortunate that Hitler as as stupid as he was, in terms of his capacity for military strategy. Had the Germans been content with controlling Europe vs. the fatal push into Russia, I'm afraid things might have been quite different.
Breaking the Enigma codes was extremely important, too.
On a strict note about the German military machine: Obviously, they had some brilliant strategists and tactics. Not to mention their scientists. Goodness knows we learned much about jet propulsion from them, and enlisted many in our own space program.
I think that in the end, we were all very fortunate that Hitler as as stupid as he was, in terms of his capacity for military strategy. Had the Germans been content with controlling Europe vs. the fatal push into Russia, I'm afraid things might have been quite different.
Breaking the Enigma codes was extremely important, too.
PingSpike
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They couldn't fend off us, Russia and GB forever but its possible they could have fended off just us and GB. Germany wasted tons of resources on the utterly hopeless and probably unnecessary offensive against the soviet union. Its very difficult to win a two front war, much less one against the production giant of the United States and the sheer manpower of the soviets.
The fact of the matter is, if GB hadn't been an island she would have been overrun just like France. The United States wasn't is much better condition at the onset of the war...our vast distance frm the front allowed us to build up forces.
Hitler made some other stupid decisions, like splitting his sciencists into tons of different teams working on different projects instead of focusing them all on one thing, like the atomic bomb. He had seperate projects going to build a nuclear warhead and a intercontinental missle to carry it to the united states.
Had Hitler focused on the Middle East to control the oil that his tanks/planes much needed and not gone mad for Russia, the outcome would probably have been different.
GTaudiophile
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I just watched "Downfall" last night. WTF did Bruno Ganz not get at least an Oscar nomination?
Fvcking idiot Academy!
Fvcking idiot Academy!
The true downfall of the German Army was the fact that it supported and supplied its impressive mechanized army with horse and wagon supply trains, and built to few over priced and over complicated war machines. Where as the US army built 3 supply trucks for every tank in Europe. The Sherman tank was no match for the Tiger, but unlike the tiger it ran like a clock and for every Tiger there were 10 Sherman's. There were only actually a handful of qualified German generals, but they were in the right places for the most part.
Fortunately for the Allies the good generals were over ruled by Hitler and is henchman.
Fortunately for the Allies the good generals were over ruled by Hitler and is henchman.
Triumph
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An even more interesting question to ask would be, "What would Europe be like 20 years after the war if Germany had won?" Now you have the issue of establishing a government to secure vast plots of conquered land, where the people don't want you there anyway. After you are done fighting, how do you go back to living? What exactly did Hitler plan to do after he conquered Europe? Sure we all know about his final solution and all that jazz, but mose of Europe was not a part of that and the German citizens would eventually stop buying into that. He was a crazy dictator, even if he had won I doubt he'd be able to sustain his empire for very long.
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