Wow...Secretary Rumsfeld looks like a completely different person today?

[tnitsuj]

a huge does of humility, the bravado and arrogance seems to be gone.

 

[Passions]

Yes, the noble and stoic Rumsfeld looks weak, fraile, and shaken old man now.

This was the doing of liberal tree huggers. The downfall of a national hero.

Such a man who has served in two great wars, a man of honor and courage.

The Definition of Nobility

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: Passions
Yes, the noble and stoic Rumsfeld looks weak, fraile, and shaken old man now.

This was the doing of liberal tree huggers. The downfall of a national hero.

Such a man who has served in two great wars, a man of honor and courage.

The Definition of Nobility

Tragic showtrial of a great man.

 

[lozina]

I guess living with so much guilt and constantly covering up bad news from Iraq while pretending everything is just peachy over there does that to you

 

[IndieSnob]

Originally posted by: Passions
Yes, the noble and stoic Rumsfeld looks weak, fraile, and shaken old man now.

This was the doing of liberal tree huggers. The downfall of a national hero.

Such a man who has served in two great wars, a man of honor and courage.

The Definition of Nobility

Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Wrong answer asshat, but thanks for playing!

This has to deal with the fact that instead of letting congress and the president know about the handling of the pow's he let them find out through the news media and not a bunch of 'liberal tree huggers'. Try to spin this crap all you want but face it, your 'heroic' war cronies are about to get their asses handed to them, and rightly so for being egotistical and so blood hungry.

 

[classy]

I am going to give him a break. I am sure he probably was at wits end on what to do. He was more than likely trying to spare the president and maybe even the country embarrassment by concealing what had happened. I still don't like them but in this case I think an apology, with some changes is enough. I am not even sure kicking out the these soldiers is even the right thing to do. Clearly they were wrong, but it doesn't look like they hurt anyone.

 

[kage69]

Nancy, go take your medication.

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: classy
I am going to give him a break. I am sure he probably was at wits end on what to do. He was more than likely trying to spare the president and maybe even the country embarrassment by concealing what had happened. I still don't like them but in this case I think an apology, with some changes is enough. I am not even sure kicking out the these soldiers is even the right thing to do. Clearly they were wrong, but it doesn't look like they hurt anyone.

Now that's a classy reply. :beer::beer:

 

[IndieSnob]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: classy
I am going to give him a break. I am sure he probably was at wits end on what to do. He was more than likely trying to spare the president and maybe even the country embarrassment by concealing what had happened. I still don't like them but in this case I think an apology, with some changes is enough. I am not even sure kicking out the these soldiers is even the right thing to do. Clearly they were wrong, but it doesn't look like they hurt anyone.

Now that's a classy reply. :beer::beer:

Wow ok. So if you had a family member go to prison and that person had wires hooked to their genitals, had a leash around their neck, stripped in front of women, etc in front of a camera you'd say 'well nothing should happen to them because they really didn't 'hurt' anyone'. Real 'classy' reply. Grow a sack and think for yourself instead of following your herd of republicans.
:disgust:

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: IndieSnob

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: classy
I am going to give him a break. I am sure he probably was at wits end on what to do. He was more than likely trying to spare the president and maybe even the country embarrassment by concealing what had happened. I still don't like them but in this case I think an apology, with some changes is enough. I am not even sure kicking out the these soldiers is even the right thing to do. Clearly they were wrong, but it doesn't look like they hurt anyone.

Now that's a classy reply. :beer::beer:

Wow ok. So if you had a family member go to prison and that person had wires hooked to their genitals, had a leash around their neck, stripped in front of women, etc in front of a camera you'd say 'well nothing should happen to them because they really didn't 'hurt' anyone'. Real 'classy' reply. Grow a sack and think for yourself instead of following your herd of republicans.
:disgust:

Are you on crack dude? This post is about Rumsfeld, not about a family member. Lay off the crack pipe there buddy. Grow a brain yourself mang.

The Truth Shall Set You Free. Recognize!

 

[IndieSnob]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: IndieSnob

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: classy
I am going to give him a break. I am sure he probably was at wits end on what to do. He was more than likely trying to spare the president and maybe even the country embarrassment by concealing what had happened. I still don't like them but in this case I think an apology, with some changes is enough. I am not even sure kicking out the these soldiers is even the right thing to do. Clearly they were wrong, but it doesn't look like they hurt anyone.

Now that's a classy reply. :beer::beer:

Wow ok. So if you had a family member go to prison and that person had wires hooked to their genitals, had a leash around their neck, stripped in front of women, etc in front of a camera you'd say 'well nothing should happen to them because they really didn't 'hurt' anyone'. Real 'classy' reply. Grow a sack and think for yourself instead of following your herd of republicans.
:disgust:

Are you on crack dude? This post is about Rumsfeld, not about a family member. Lay off the crack pipe there buddy. Grow a brain yourself mang.

The Truth Shall Set You Free. Recognize!

Uh, yes the post is about Rumsfield but he also talked about the prisoners and how they were treated, and I countred with a hypothetical situation. Instead of dancing around the issue like the brainwashed idiot you are, try to address what I brought up. Nice try though.

P.S. Your sig should read P to the A to the double S to the I to the O to the N to the S....what does that spell... a clueless brainwashed Republican.

 

[onelove]

roof's on fire

EDIT: sorry, just had to interject that for the benefit of the reader

 

[CADsortaGUY]

I watched the whole thing. I thought Rumsfeld and the others on the panel answered honestly and with strength of conscience, even in light of a few of the inquisitor's obvious editorializing and political posturing. I was disgusted by atleast two(3 if you watched Clinton's ramblings). I am ashamed to have the likes of byrd and kennedy as elected officials representing our gov't. Both of them were not productive members of this panel today but I'm glad the people of America got to see them blather on and on. I was not taking notes but will comment on their remarks after reviewing the transcripts when they are available.

Also, I think this was a great opportunity for the American people to see this panel. We know the pictures have outraged people and I am outraged too, but to try to equate this release of pictures to something new or as something that wasn't taken care of would be dishonest. Yes, we need to publicly air what happened and what has taken place since these acts were committed so we can make sure our system handled it appropriately and will in the future but we also need to acknowledge that actions were taken, and currently ongoing to remove those committing these acts. As Rumsfeld noted - he is creating another panel to look at more of the policy side to get to the issue of the bureaucracy and policy part.

The main thing here is that we know, and the world knows those responsible for the acts will be prosecuted, and that those who permitted, suggested, or encouraged this sort of behavior will be held to account also.

CkG

 

[CaptnKirk]

This is part of an article from the New York Times

"A chastened Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld offered his personal apology today for the abuses inflicted upon Iraqi prisoners by their American military jailers, saying that the wrongdoings were "fundamentally un-American" and signaling that even uglier disclosures are to come."

Here's the article/link
(Register if you want to know more)

Anyway - he knows something, but isn't ready to disclose it to the public - yet.

I think he's caught in a trap of loyalty to office and Administration, but doesn't think that
he will have to take the fall and is defending Bush so Bush will appear blameless.
Someone is going to fall on the sword for this mess, and they are trying to find the
lowest 'Upper Level' scapegoat to cover everyone elses ass - not unlike Ollie North did
to keep the top dogs out of the blame for Iran-Contra under Reagan.

 

[onelove]

I didn't see rummy, only listened. Walking by the newsstand this morning, I think the Economist's cover says "Resign, Rumsfeld" on a black cover. (correct me if this is not correct?)

I think he'll ride this out, cuz Bush wants/needs him, irrespective of any harm to administration/country of him remaining.

 

[chrisms]

I agreed with the Senator who said that Rumsfeld's resignation, while maybe not warranted, would prove to the world how serious we take this incident and could be the only thing that would save our asses. Rumsfeld was obviously agitated by the question, responding only "It's possible."

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
a huge does of humility, the bravado and arrogance seems to be gone.

Yeah, knowing you're not in the loop and being in the hotseat for it will do that to a person. This is evident because of Rumsfeld's inability to address McCain's question, to discuss the chain of command, give a definite answer as to who was in charge (private contractors, or the us army), and his inablility to recall if/when he discussed the matter with the president.

It was also kind of funny when he tried to downplay the extent of the "abuse" (read: torture), by stating that is was portrayed differently in the report than in pictures, and that the pictures made it seem worse. Then he reverses this position when questioned by Sen. Clinton, when she describes the sickening graphic nature of the report.

Toward the end of the questioning, he seemed more upset with the fact that the pictures were released, than with the possibility of their being a problem with the chain of command (which I must re-iterate that he knows little to nothing about) that actually allowed these war-crimes to take place.

 

[chess9]

IndieSnob:

You just don't understand this younger generation, like Passion. Having wires tied to his genitals and a rope around his neck is called SEX to him. So, he figures they shouldn't be complaining if all they got was sex.

You gotta' get with the program, DOOD!

Actually, Passion is either a cartoon character or a left winger from Seattle who just loves to play wicked games. I do not believe for a minute that a single human being on this planet is that dumb. Not even Bush....

-Robert

 

[IndieSnob]

Originally posted by: chess9
IndieSnob:

You just don't understand this younger generation, like Passion. Having wires tied to his genitals and a rope around his neck is called SEX to him. So, he figures they shouldn't be complaining if all they got was sex.

You gotta' get with the program, DOOD!

Actually, Passion is either a cartoon character or a left winger from Seattle who just loves to play wicked games. I do not believe for a minute that a single human being on this planet is that dumb. Not even Bush....

-Robert

Hey hey watch it

I live in Seattle and am somewhat of a liberal