Wow Recent survey results.

[akugami]

Originally posted by: Crusader
OH
and just for the record.. Valve survey results have proven very reliable in the past to correlate well with actual overall sales.
Conclusions on the overall market CAN and HAVE and SHOULD be drawn from this survey.. its the best indicator (and most accurate historically) we have beyond ZipZoomfly/Monarch/Newegg from telling us their sales statistics.

Sorry that many of you (ATI fanboys mainly) do not like this but that is just the cold hard reality of the situation!

Proof? Or was it just another "fact" you pulled out of the air? I'd really love to get sales numbers because most data that I find, and that's after an hour on both google and yahoo shows sales data in general. They don't show numbers of any sorts much less break down the numbers into price categories.

 

[BenSkywalker]

). I was just noting that Nvidia has better marketing then ATI, does more work with developers (TWIMFDSWTF) not just viral marketing which I tried to cut off before someone jumped on them for it.

Agreed.

Also I am not saying this is the end all be all of information from Xfire, but both of us have reletively microscopic groups of friends and therefore no basis on what Actual Xfire usage is.

XFire useage is very, very low obviously. Your sampling pool is tiny, and it certainly isn't going to be nearly as represenative as the Source poll which is orders of magnitude larger.

How can you guys count the X800 numbers without counting the 6800 series. X800XL, X800XT, and X800XT PE are all high end cards that would be counted against the lowly 6600 where as many 6800s the Nu and GS come to mind that were meant to compete at the $200 or lower (eg mid-range) price segment.

He is trying to say the mid range is even to slightly favoring ATi- I am giving his line of argument every possible advantage and still not coming close to reaching anything resembling his conclusion. I threw all of the x800 numbers in along with the x600 and x700 to show how utterly dominant nV has been in the mid range with their 6600 parts.

 

[DeathReborn]

I wonder if my old answers are included in these results. If they are then scratch one AthlonXP 2Ghz+, 9600 etc off the list, lol.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

). I was just noting that Nvidia has better marketing then ATI, does more work with developers (TWIMFDSWTF) not just viral marketing which I tried to cut off before someone jumped on them for it.

Agreed.

Also I am not saying this is the end all be all of information from Xfire, but both of us have reletively microscopic groups of friends and therefore no basis on what Actual Xfire usage is.

XFire useage is very, very low obviously. Your sampling pool is tiny, and it certainly isn't going to be nearly as represenative as the Source poll which is orders of magnitude larger.

How can you guys count the X800 numbers without counting the 6800 series. X800XL, X800XT, and X800XT PE are all high end cards that would be counted against the lowly 6600 where as many 6800s the Nu and GS come to mind that were meant to compete at the $200 or lower (eg mid-range) price segment.

He is trying to say the mid range is even to slightly favoring ATi- I am giving his line of argument every possible advantage and still not coming close to reaching anything resembling his conclusion. I threw all of the x800 numbers in along with the x600 and x700 to show how utterly dominant nV has been in the mid range with their 6600 parts.

I see, it was hard to decipher what you to were going on and on about because I would lose track of your guys postings. Basically your trying to say the 6600 was such a good mid range card it out sold all of the comparitive and better cards released in the same time period. Is this correct?

As for X-Fire How can you say 30 Million man hours a day is tiny hello at 8:30 am et (which is I believe 5:30am in the time zone the clock starts ticking at) they have already clocked 7 Million man hours (playing games) and at this time 140,000 current users online. I don't think that this is a tiny ammount. Like I said not as good as the the Valve survey and the numbers at this moment is about 1-2% of gamers total, but I think when you get the numbers togother for a full day you are probably looking at 750,000 online during the day and about 5-6% of the total group, which I think is a great sampling ammount.

Edit: Just saw the register users.

4 Million is nothing to sneeze at.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: poohbear

Originally posted by: Topweasel

The truths from this (and trust me a 500,000 sample group is a great sample)?

1. It looks like the 6000 series is the the current modern champion.
2. No matter what over all sales numbers that ATI and Nvidia have thrown out for all to see it is very obvious that ATI has taken a heavy hit on high sales since the introduction of the X800 and not the X1800 as most would think.
3. Middle end cards have been even worse for ATI, Nvidia out numbers the 9600 by over 20,000 and the next middle end card to do well is the X700 at 17,000 total.
4. Some would think the numbers get distorted by the ages of some of the cards, but over all with the Geforce4 MX and Geforce 4 cards still listed I don't think that holds much wieght.

To look at the numbers yourself go here.

erm, i dont think u know how surveys work. is this a random sample? it relies on ppl actually owning HL2 just to participate, which excludes probably 60% of actual users (assuming 40%, which is a very liberal estimate, of computer users actually have HL2). how often can u submit your results? are our previous results removed when u submit your new results? i.e. would i still be listed under 512mb of ram even if i upgraded to 1gb ram? HL2 was released in Nov 2004, so would these results be going back to systems ppl owned in 2004? i owned a athlon XP in 2004, now i own an opty 144, so does valve update that info or is each of my settings included as a separate stat on their survey? if not, that would explain why there are 700k samples, it might be only be 200k users but each one changed 1 item in their hardware over the past 2 years, so they count for 2/3/4 samples.

Each survey is of current HL/HL2 and any other Steam gamers. The Survey results are only of machines surveyed from March something to whenever the last update is. Along the same lines an account is used in a survey only once. I didn't say it was random, and since we want results of the gaming community (not ten year old machines with intigrated video that doesn't know what a game is) this would be a good start. As for the numbers its probably more alnog the lines of 1-2% of total computer users and 30-40% of all computer gamers.

Steam generaly has 200,000 - 300,000 logged on at any given time with some peak periods where they hit 550,000 this at a given time. Durring a month they have 2.75 million Different unique accounts log in. Since the survey pops up after a user has logged out durring the last month (in which this survey has been collecting info) they have had the opportunity to ask 2.75 Million people to take this survey that takes seconds. Getting about quarter of those guys to take the survey doesn't seem to be a difficult thing to do and doesn't seem out of reach.

 

[gramboh]

Originally posted by: DeathReborn
I wonder if my old answers are included in these results. If they are then scratch one AthlonXP 2Ghz+, 9600 etc off the list, lol.

No, it's a "fresh" survey each time you see it pop-up. I'm sure they archive the data for trend analysis/sharing/selling to vendors/industry groups but the data you see on the web page is for this survey run only, where each account gets one response.

Interesting to have all this info in the market, vendors could get a lot reading this thread and analysing the information (I'm sure they do both). There was an interview with Gabe from Valve about the impact of this survey, but I forget the URL.

 

[Rangoric]

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Team speak and AIM are good enough programs for communication and successful enough to make Xfire useless if communication was the only desire. Xfires value is to to have an AIM type program that will tell you what your freinds are playing, giving you the choice of whther you want to join in or do your own thing. As the numbers show alot of people spend alot of time playing WoW while using team speak so discounting the numbers completely seems like a waste of effort.

Um, you missed what I said. MMORPGs are more likely to be the sole game a person plays as opposed to one of many when they pick up say Half Life 2.

Many people who play an MMORPG won't play anything else. Its only recently with WoW where the "masses" got into MMORPGs is there even a decent segment of the poulation that plays it along with spending meaningful time elsewhere.

The pay to play aspect of MMORPGs encourage a "get my money's worth" attitude, along with the fact that a higher time requirement is needed by that type of game. However, with how people also end up playing MuDs exclusivly means there is more to it.

The reason a "check and see if my friends are on" is useless for most people who play WoW, or any MMORPG is that their friends are either on to do something with or you do your own thing in game, and it will impact your relationship with your friends when they do log on. While for HL2 or another small server based non-progression game this is not as true.

As such people who only play a single game (which is more likely in the case of WoW because it has a high time req), they won't have XFire.

Although I don't have XFire because of the issues with that specific program I had while running a Lan Cafe.

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: Rangoric

Originally posted by: Topweasel
Team speak and AIM are good enough programs for communication and successful enough to make Xfire useless if communication was the only desire. Xfires value is to to have an AIM type program that will tell you what your freinds are playing, giving you the choice of whther you want to join in or do your own thing. As the numbers show alot of people spend alot of time playing WoW while using team speak so discounting the numbers completely seems like a waste of effort.

Um, you missed what I said. MMORPGs are more likely to be the sole game a person plays as opposed to one of many when they pick up say Half Life 2.

Many people who play an MMORPG won't play anything else. Its only recently with WoW where the "masses" got into MMORPGs is there even a decent segment of the poulation that plays it along with spending meaningful time elsewhere.

The pay to play aspect of MMORPGs encourage a "get my money's worth" attitude, along with the fact that a higher time requirement is needed by that type of game. However, with how people also end up playing MuDs exclusivly means there is more to it.

The reason a "check and see if my friends are on" is useless for most people who play WoW, or any MMORPG is that their friends are either on to do something with or you do your own thing in game, and it will impact your relationship with your friends when they do log on. While for HL2 or another small server based non-progression game this is not as true.

As such people who only play a single game (which is more likely in the case of WoW because it has a high time req), they won't have XFire.

Although I don't have XFire because of the issues with that specific program I had while running a Lan Cafe.

Most people don't use Xfire period whats the point? There was last I checked 2-3 MMOs on the daily list so saying they don't find a need for it is wrong. Also alot of MMO player tend to play only that game During the peak of their playing they tend to wander back and forth and not play it for weeks at a time before getting back in or cancelling their account. Those people would end up a different stages playing different games (including non-MMOs) and prior to playing a given MMO would have installed, and have running as a TSR, Xfire. 4 Millions accounts and 3 MMOs in the top 10 make me think that X-fire is used nearly as much for them as it is anything else. Besides I am just using it to show credibility towards the Steam survey anyways not to say the CS:S is really that close to WoW or not.