Wow, John Kerry is extremely weak. Waiting for the trifecta

Dari

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So, his negotiations with Russia on Ukraine/Crimea went nowhere and ended up blowing up in his face.

His Mideast Peace initiative is unravelling.

Next up will be the Iranian nuclear agreement implosion.

This guy is useless. He should return to Boston, Washington or academia. Extremely weak for an American diplomat. No balls, just like his boss Obama.
 

Stewox

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So, his negotiations with Russia on Ukraine/Crimea went nowhere and ended up blowing up in his face.

His Mideast Peace initiative is unravelling.

Next up will be the Iranian nuclear agreement implosion.

This guy is useless. He should return to Boston, Washington or academia. Extremely weak for an American diplomat. No balls, just like his boss Obama.


Or maybe he's playing weak for the Problem-Reaction-Solution formula in order for the dumb average american public to react at him as such to then offer a solution as in an excuse to use more force in ukraine against russia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yOF713wOD4

Problem-Reaction-Solution Music Video

This "obama weak" thing has been going for a week ...
 
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Thebobo

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So, his negotiations with Russia on Ukraine/Crimea went nowhere and ended up blowing up in his face.

His Mideast Peace initiative is unravelling.

Next up will be the Iranian nuclear agreement implosion.

This guy is useless. He should return to Boston, Washington or academia. Extremely weak for an American diplomat. No balls, just like his boss Obama.

In what way would having more balls have made the outcome any better?
 

Pocatello

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It doesn't matter who's the U.S President, we're not going to war with Russia over Ukraine, Putin knows this, and act accordingly.
 

Dari

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In what way would having more balls have made the outcome any better?

With regards to the mideast peace initiative, he could've banged heads together. Threatened Israel and Palestinians for acting like children.

With Russia, we could've move military assets to Turkey and other allied nations. We could also have military advisors in Kiev and near the border. These are not difficult things to do and they will show our determination.

The Iranian implosion has not happened *YET* but, given his track record, I think he'll make good on it.
 

DominionSeraph

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With Russia, we could've move military assets to Turkey and other allied nations. We could also have military advisors in Kiev and near the border. These are not difficult things to do and they will show our determination.

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ivwshane

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I'm certainly glad you aren't the Secretary of State! I'd love to see you on the front lines by yourself though, that'll show Russia your determination.

Lol!
 

fskimospy

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With regards to the mideast peace initiative, he could've banged heads together. Threatened Israel and Palestinians for acting like children.

With Russia, we could've move military assets to Turkey and other allied nations. We could also have military advisors in Kiev and near the border. These are not difficult things to do and they will show our determination.

The Iranian implosion has not happened *YET* but, given his track record, I think he'll make good on it.

So the reason why the peace deal that has eluded every US administration for the past half century didn't happen here was because Kerry wasn't 'tough enough'.

Saying that the US would succeed if they just acted tough is the same thing as people saying the president needs to 'show leadership'. It is something that people say when they want to sound knowledgable and criticize things without actually having any idea for what should be done differently.

If you think Kerry should have been tougher, tell us specifically what he should have done and why it would have worked?
 

ivwshane

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So the reason why the peace deal that has eluded every US administration for the past half century didn't happen here was because Kerry wasn't 'tough enough'.

Saying that the US would succeed if they just acted tough is the same thing as people saying the president needs to 'show leadership'. It is something that people say when they want to sound knowledgable and criticize things without actually having any idea for what should be done differently.

If you think Kerry should have been tougher, tell us specifically what he should have done and why it would have worked?

He did. He said we should have has military advisors in the area and moved some assets to our allies who are closer. I'm sure his genius plan accounted for outings common knowledge that the US citizens have zero appetite for another war and would have called our bluff. Then again Putin would probably have thought twice because we would of had military advisors in the area. Lol.
 

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At least the Kerry & Chicken Hawk mcKain are providing some comic relief with their recent feud. I believe mcKain was hit upside the head a few too many time when he was held captive,
How about Ron Paul to replace Kerry !
 

JEDIYoda

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With regards to the mideast peace initiative, he could've banged heads together. Threatened Israel and Palestinians for acting like children.

With Russia, we could've move military assets to Turkey and other allied nations. We could also have military advisors in Kiev and near the border. These are not difficult things to do and they will show our determination.

The Iranian implosion has not happened *YET* but, given his track record, I think he'll make good on it.
we could`ve, we could`ve, we could`ve......baseless rant
 

Newell Steamer

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And, what should he have done instead??

Oh, that's right,... nothing. Because you would have had a problem with that too.

Also, on Obama,.. wasn't he a wreckless maniac threatening Russian with nukes a few weeks ago?? As well as an oppresive tyrant that murders his own civilians?? Come on, make up your mind already ladies.
 

kage69

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At least the Kerry & Chicken Hawk mcKain are providing some comic relief with their recent feud. I believe mcKain was hit upside the head a few too many time when he was held captive,
How about Ron Paul to replace Kerry !


Quite the thinker we have here; McCain's a chickenhawk, yet somehow went off to war and came to be a POW. Guess you missed his views on Syria.

Do you not know what the term actually means, or are you just here to make yourself look like a douche for ridiculing a POW for not handling his torture better?

Looks like a little of both actually, good effort.
 

SaurusX

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I just wish that Democrats would put as much effort into overcoming our foreign adversaries as they do Republicans (which they seemingly view as the greater threat).
 

fskimospy

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I just wish that Democrats would put as much effort into overcoming our foreign adversaries as they do Republicans (which they seemingly view as the greater threat).

Can you give us an idea of what efforts you would like them to employ?
 

Jaskalas

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Not to defend Kerry, but none of those issues have achievable goals. Calling him useless might presume that anyone in his position could do something in the first place.
 

SaurusX

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Can you give us an idea of what efforts you would like them to employ?

How about being as proactive on the foreign policy front as they are on the domestic policy? As has been mentioned in this thread, the modus operandi of the Executive and the State Dept seems to be entirely reactionary. They respond (and ever so slowly) only when a situation has almost reached that point of no return.

Meanwhile at home, the Dems constantly have the Repubs back on their heels with constant forward momentum on a broad range of topics. Granted, they're topics that aren't pressing and that seemingly no one cares about (gender pay gap, immigration, income inequality), but the fact that they just keep coming forces the Repubs to come up with some response.
 

fskimospy

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How about being as proactive on the foreign policy front as they are on the domestic policy? As has been mentioned in this thread, the modus operandi of the Executive and the State Dept seems to be entirely reactionary. They respond (and ever so slowly) only when a situation has almost reached that point of no return.

Meanwhile at home, the Dems constantly have the Repubs back on their heels with constant forward momentum on a broad range of topics. Granted, they're topics that aren't pressing and that seemingly no one cares about (gender pay gap, immigration, income inequality), but the fact that they just keep coming forces the Repubs to come up with some response.

So what specific actions do you think they should have taken and why do you think they would have been better? US involvement overseas is not like domestic politics.
 

CitizenKain

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Just a reminder for anyone seeking any sort of logic from Dari, he supports war criminals and thinks the Japanese invasion of Manchuria before WW2 was a good thing, and the civilians deserved it.
 

Jhhnn

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I just wish that Democrats would put as much effort into overcoming our foreign adversaries as they do Republicans (which they seemingly view as the greater threat).

Sadly, it seems that Dems are correct in that assessment.

Neocon wet dreams of world domination are the greatest threat to domestic peace & tranquility since WW2, other than Repub economic policy.

Both have shown themselves to be disastrous, but the Faithful, they still *Believe*.
 

SaurusX

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Sadly, it seems that Dems are correct in that assessment.

Neocon wet dreams of world domination are the greatest threat to domestic peace & tranquility since WW2, other than Repub economic policy.

Both have shown themselves to be disastrous, but the Faithful, they still *Believe*.

Tell me about it. Peace has been breaking out all over the world since Obama was elected. And our economy wouldn't be the shining example to the world that it is now if the Repubs had the white house.
 

fskimospy

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Tell me about it. Peace has been breaking out all over the world since Obama was elected. And our economy wouldn't be the shining example to the world that it is now if the Repubs had the white house.

You realize that the US economy has outperformed almost every other developed nation since the financial crisis, right?