wow, I cant believe I just read this.....

[Genesys]

original article here

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The major budget difference between the two candidates comes down to this: President Bush proposes cutting taxes by a huge amount over the next decade ($1.24 trillion); Mr. Kerry proposes cutting them by an amount about half as huge (about $640 billion, according to preliminary estimates by the Urban Institute's Leonard Burman). But Mr. Kerry would then spend most of the difference between his tax cut and the Bush cut on health care and education. The Kerry plan would be fairer and a wiser use of the money. It's better to take away tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and spend it on health care for the uninsured. But in terms of the deficit that Mr. Kerry correctly paints as such a peril, the Kerry plan falls short.

In no way do i see how this is "fair" or "wise". If you're going to cut taxes, EVERYONE that pays taxes gets a cut, not the people YOU think deserve them. That would be a more accurate definition of the word fair anyway. I'd also like how to know how this plan is wise. Having the government provide healthcare creates dependancy on the government, and we dont want the populace becoming overly dependant because then that also makes the populace more demanding [kind of like they are now, thinking the government should provide them with everything!].

Hey, its tough sh|t that there are people out there that dont have health insuance, but they need to find a way to get it themselves, weather by finding another job that offers better benefits [or benefits at all] or by cutting the 'fat' out of their lives and paying for it themselves. We dont need to create more leeches on the system.

 

[dirtboy]

hmmm... well if by some miracle Kerry gets elected, I might just drop my health insurance so I can get it for free.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: Genesys
original article here

snip:

The major budget difference between the two candidates comes down to this: President Bush proposes cutting taxes by a huge amount over the next decade ($1.24 trillion); Mr. Kerry proposes cutting them by an amount about half as huge (about $640 billion, according to preliminary estimates by the Urban Institute's Leonard Burman). But Mr. Kerry would then spend most of the difference between his tax cut and the Bush cut on health care and education. The Kerry plan would be fairer and a wiser use of the money. It's better to take away tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and spend it on health care for the uninsured. But in terms of the deficit that Mr. Kerry correctly paints as such a peril, the Kerry plan falls short.

In no way do i see how this is "fair" or "wise". If you're going to cut taxes, EVERYONE that pays taxes gets a cut, not the people YOU think deserve them. That would be a more accurate definition of the word fair anyway. I'd also like how to know how this plan is wise. Having the government provide healthcare creates dependancy on the government, and we dont want the populace becoming overly dependant because then that also makes the populace more demanding [kind of like they are now, thinking the government should provide them with everything!].

Hey, its tough sh|t that there are people out there that dont have health insuance, but they need to find a way to get it themselves, weather by finding another job that offers better benefits [or benefits at all] or by cutting the 'fat' out of their lives and paying for it themselves. We dont need to create more leeches on the system.

The real leeches in the system are Fatcat corporations and executives that pay nearly nothing in taxes because of loopholes, they cheat normal people and our government out of hundreds of billions of dollars in taxes,

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: Genesys
original article here

snip:

The major budget difference between the two candidates comes down to this: President Bush proposes cutting taxes by a huge amount over the next decade ($1.24 trillion); Mr. Kerry proposes cutting them by an amount about half as huge (about $640 billion, according to preliminary estimates by the Urban Institute's Leonard Burman). But Mr. Kerry would then spend most of the difference between his tax cut and the Bush cut on health care and education. The Kerry plan would be fairer and a wiser use of the money. It's better to take away tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and spend it on health care for the uninsured. But in terms of the deficit that Mr. Kerry correctly paints as such a peril, the Kerry plan falls short.

In no way do i see how this is "fair" or "wise". If you're going to cut taxes, EVERYONE that pays taxes gets a cut, not the people YOU think deserve them. That would be a more accurate definition of the word fair anyway. I'd also like how to know how this plan is wise. Having the government provide healthcare creates dependancy on the government, and we dont want the populace becoming overly dependant because then that also makes the populace more demanding [kind of like they are now, thinking the government should provide them with everything!].

Hey, its tough sh|t that there are people out there that dont have health insuance, but they need to find a way to get it themselves, weather by finding another job that offers better benefits [or benefits at all] or by cutting the 'fat' out of their lives and paying for it themselves. We dont need to create more leeches on the system.

The real leeches in the system are Fatcat corporations and executives that pay nearly nothing in taxes because of loopholes, they cheat normal people and our government out of hundreds of billions of dollars in taxes,

Then lets have a flat tax with no loopholes or deductions...problem solved.

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: Genesys
original article here

snip:

The major budget difference between the two candidates comes down to this: President Bush proposes cutting taxes by a huge amount over the next decade ($1.24 trillion); Mr. Kerry proposes cutting them by an amount about half as huge (about $640 billion, according to preliminary estimates by the Urban Institute's Leonard Burman). But Mr. Kerry would then spend most of the difference between his tax cut and the Bush cut on health care and education. The Kerry plan would be fairer and a wiser use of the money. It's better to take away tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans and spend it on health care for the uninsured. But in terms of the deficit that Mr. Kerry correctly paints as such a peril, the Kerry plan falls short.

In no way do i see how this is "fair" or "wise". If you're going to cut taxes, EVERYONE that pays taxes gets a cut, not the people YOU think deserve them. That would be a more accurate definition of the word fair anyway. I'd also like how to know how this plan is wise. Having the government provide healthcare creates dependancy on the government, and we dont want the populace becoming overly dependant because then that also makes the populace more demanding [kind of like they are now, thinking the government should provide them with everything!].

Hey, its tough sh|t that there are people out there that dont have health insuance, but they need to find a way to get it themselves, weather by finding another job that offers better benefits [or benefits at all] or by cutting the 'fat' out of their lives and paying for it themselves. We dont need to create more leeches on the system.

The real leeches in the system are Fatcat corporations and executives that pay nearly nothing in taxes because of loopholes, they cheat normal people and our government out of hundreds of billions of dollars in taxes,

Then lets have a flat tax with no loopholes or deductions...problem solved.

id like to see that.

 

[sMiLeYz]

You really think single mothers working at walmart at 7.44$ for a living can afford a 20% flat tax? Hell they can't even afford a 5% flat tax.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
You really think single mothers working at walmart at 7.44$ for a living can afford a 20% flat tax? Hell they can't even afford a 5% flat tax.

HOw about this

everyone gets a 15k deduction(ie roll all the loopholes into one pile), and index this value to inflation
Everything is tax at 20%(or whatever the number needs to be tax neutral) beyond 15k.

Most of the flat tax ideas are similar to this.

fairtax.org similar idea...

 

[n0cmonkey]

I'm all for socialist healthcare for children (maybe 15 and under or so). Flat tax sounds like the way to go to me. How can you get more fair than everyone pays the same?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
You really think single mothers working at walmart at 7.44$ for a living can afford a 20% flat tax? Hell they can't even afford a 5% flat tax.

How about she doesn't have kids and gets an education?

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
You really think single mothers working at walmart at 7.44$ for a living can afford a 20% flat tax? Hell they can't even afford a 5% flat tax.

why are you setting the tax rate at 20%? the govt only needs 10% of a persons income to operate. and yes, every person gets charged 10%, no more, no less.
besides, if shes a good single mother, she has her mother raise the kid(s) and she works 2 jobs.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
You really think single mothers working at walmart at 7.44$ for a living can afford a 20% flat tax? Hell they can't even afford a 5% flat tax.

How about she doesn't have kids and gets an education?

Sometimes things aren't so cut and dry...

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
You really think single mothers working at walmart at 7.44$ for a living can afford a 20% flat tax? Hell they can't even afford a 5% flat tax.

How about she doesn't have kids and gets an education?

I wish everyone had a time machine friend then they would go back in time and do things differently.

REALITY: there are tens of millions of working single moms who have been dumped by their husbands/boyfriends in America.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
You really think single mothers working at walmart at 7.44$ for a living can afford a 20% flat tax? Hell they can't even afford a 5% flat tax.

How about she doesn't have kids and gets an education?

I wish everyone had a time machine friend then they would go back in time and do things differently.

REALITY: there are tens of millions of working single moms who have been dumped by their husbands/boyfriends in America.

Yes, and whose fault is it?

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
You really think single mothers working at walmart at 7.44$ for a living can afford a 20% flat tax? Hell they can't even afford a 5% flat tax.

why are you setting the tax rate at 20%? the govt only needs 10% of a persons income to operate. and yes, every person gets charged 10%, no more, no less.
besides, if shes a good single mother, she has her mother raise the kid(s) and she works 2 jobs.

You obviously don't understand the fiancial situation of single working moms, she can work 3 jobs and not take care of her kids at all. But it doesn't change the fact that a 10% tax would murder her financially.

You can all you want, this is serious. Tens of millions of single moms in America would suffer under a flat-tax system.

 

[Siddhartha]

In the real world the budget deficits will have to be dealt with by raising taxes.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
You really think single mothers working at walmart at 7.44$ for a living can afford a 20% flat tax? Hell they can't even afford a 5% flat tax.

How about she doesn't have kids and gets an education?

I wish everyone had a time machine friend then they would go back in time and do things differently.

REALITY: there are tens of millions of working single moms who have been dumped by their husbands/boyfriends in America.

Yes, and whose fault is it?

Well there right there is the difference between you and me, I don't think only of myself.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
You really think single mothers working at walmart at 7.44$ for a living can afford a 20% flat tax? Hell they can't even afford a 5% flat tax.

How about she doesn't have kids and gets an education?

I wish everyone had a time machine friend then they would go back in time and do things differently.

REALITY: there are tens of millions of working single moms who have been dumped by their husbands/boyfriends in America.

Yes, and whose fault is it?

Well there right there is the difference between you and me, I don't think only of myself.

I'm not thinking only of myself. I'm thinking of everyone in this country that has acted responsibly, intelligently, and reasonably in life. I didn't have sex with her, I shouldn't have to take care of her children.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
You really think single mothers working at walmart at 7.44$ for a living can afford a 20% flat tax? Hell they can't even afford a 5% flat tax.

How about she doesn't have kids and gets an education?

I wish everyone had a time machine friend then they would go back in time and do things differently.

REALITY: there are tens of millions of working single moms who have been dumped by their husbands/boyfriends in America.

Yes, and whose fault is it?

Well there right there is the difference between you and me, I don't think only of myself.

I'm not thinking only of myself. I'm thinking of everyone in this country that has acted responsibly, intelligently, and reasonably in life. I didn't have sex with her, I shouldn't have to take care of her children.

How could I put this more simply... you dont even take care of her children. Not a cent of your money goes to her. We're talking about a hypothetical situation, about how single moms would suffer under a flat income tax. She is paying more than she has to... not you.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
How could I put this more simply... you dont even take care of her children. Not a cent of your money goes to her. We're talking about a hypothetical situation, about how single moms would suffer under a flat income tax. She is paying more than she has to... not you.

If I pay more of a percentage in taxes than she does, I am helping to pay for her children. A flat tax makes sense. Everyone pays the same percentage. Wow, how fair.

Now, if she had taken responsibility for her life, she wouldn't be in the situation she is in. Wow, how simple.

 

[sMiLeYz]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
How could I put this more simply... you dont even take care of her children. Not a cent of your money goes to her. We're talking about a hypothetical situation, about how single moms would suffer under a flat income tax. She is paying more than she has to... not you.

If I pay more of a percentage in taxes than she does, I am helping to pay for her children. A flat tax makes sense. Everyone pays the same percentage. Wow, how fair.

Now, if she had taken responsibility for her life, she wouldn't be in the situation she is in. Wow, how simple.

Wow... broad generalization wow.

Single mothers are single mothers because their fathers, NOT them, refuse to take responsibility for their children.

And how is it fair to cripple a already broken family with taxes just because you think flat taxes are a way to go.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
How could I put this more simply... you dont even take care of her children. Not a cent of your money goes to her. We're talking about a hypothetical situation, about how single moms would suffer under a flat income tax. She is paying more than she has to... not you.

If I pay more of a percentage in taxes than she does, I am helping to pay for her children. A flat tax makes sense. Everyone pays the same percentage. Wow, how fair.

Now, if she had taken responsibility for her life, she wouldn't be in the situation she is in. Wow, how simple.

Wow... broad generalization wow.

Single mothers are single mothers because their fathers, NOT them, refuse to take responsibility for their children.

Agreed. Both the mother and the father are to blame. The mother chose to screw up her life with the father. The father decided to leave. Sounds like they are both responsible. If the father dies, he should have planned for the future of his family.

And how is it fair to cripple a already broken family with taxes just because you think flat taxes are a way to go.

Because with a flat tax rate, everyone would be paying the same percentage. Think about it for a minute or two.

If I pay 35% and someone else only pays 3%, how is that fair?

 

[sMiLeYz]

Agreed. Both the mother and the father are to blame. The mother chose to screw up her life with the father. The father decided to leave. Sounds like they are both responsible. If the father dies, he should have planned for the future of his family.

Which is why I called you selfish, and your way of thinking confirms it. "It's not my problem if the mom cant make enough already to feed her kids, all i care about is paying less in taxes."

Because with a flat tax rate, everyone would be paying the same percentage. Think about it for a minute or two.
If I pay 35% and someone else only pays 3%, how is that fair?

Because you make a hella alot more than the person paying 3%? Paying fair share? Is that a concept so hard to digest? You obviously make enough after taxes to live comfortably and talk into the wee hours of the morning on anantech.

 

[Ferocious]

A flat tax is absurd.

Raising the taxes of the poor so that the rich can pay less......not good.

And most rich people I know agree with me.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Agreed. Both the mother and the father are to blame. The mother chose to screw up her life with the father. The father decided to leave. Sounds like they are both responsible. If the father dies, he should have planned for the future of his family.

Which is why I called you selfish, and your way of thinking confirms it. "It's not my problem if the mom cant make enough already to feed her kids, all i care about is paying less in taxes."

If she didn't have the child(ren) in the first place, she wouldn't have a problem. If you can't take care of yourself, why should someone else have to pick up the slack?

Because with a flat tax rate, everyone would be paying the same percentage. Think about it for a minute or two.
If I pay 35% and someone else only pays 3%, how is that fair?

Because you make a hella alot more than the person paying 3%? Paying fair share? Is that a concept so hard to digest?

Fair share? So if I work harder than someone else I should have to pay more?

You obviously make enough after taxes to live comfortably and talk into the wee hours of the morning on anantech.

Morning is a state of mind, and it isn't morning for me. And yes, I make enough to be comfortable, if I take care of my money. Wow, personal responsibility coming up. Again.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
You really think single mothers working at walmart at 7.44$ for a living can afford a 20% flat tax? Hell they can't even afford a 5% flat tax.

How about she doesn't have kids and gets an education?

I wish everyone had a time machine friend then they would go back in time and do things differently.

REALITY: there are tens of millions of working single moms who have been dumped by their husbands/boyfriends in America.

Yes, and whose fault is it?

Well there right there is the difference between you and me, I don't think only of myself.

I'm not thinking only of myself. I'm thinking of everyone in this country that has acted responsibly, intelligently, and reasonably in life. I didn't have sex with her, I shouldn't have to take care of her children.

Yet her childrens taxes will be paying for your medicare.

I'd rather spend money on the future (children) than on the past (retired).