Wow, how could GM build such a monster corvette but not have proper cooling?

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z1ggy

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Sounds like this is an issue they are addressing for the '16 models.
 

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They did a "shootout" in a motorcycle mag of some cars and bikes. One of the tests was 0-180 MPH. The Corvette did it in 56 seconds. Everything else was under 18 seconds.
 

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It is a real issue for those who track their cars (I do not, and have not noticed any cooling issues on the street). Callaway claims their Z06 package helps in cooling, but that's largely because they cut a hole in the hood to fit their custom supercharger. I believe a couple of aftermarket companies are starting to look at the issue as well, as someone does make a replacement radiator for the car.
 

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They did a "shootout" in a motorcycle mag of some cars and bikes. One of the tests was 0-180 MPH. The Corvette did it in 56 seconds. Everything else was under 18 seconds.

A hellcat reached 170 in just 23 seconds...
 

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Not sure where the OP is getting his numbers but the issue affects BASE model Corvettes, not the Z06. The Base model starts around $55k and the Z06 starts at $80k.

The Z06 has extra cooling for the trans. The issue is people are tracking the base model and the trans can overheat on extended drives on the track.

But I do believe the Z51 option on the base model should have added extra trans cooling. Since it did not people get the Z51 option then track and have issues. But GM has said the 2016 models will get the extra trans cooling. Let alone there are aftermarket things that can be done to cool it better already.
 

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Not sure where the OP is getting his numbers but the issue affects BASE model Corvettes, not the Z06. The Base model starts around $55k and the Z06 starts at $80k.

The Z06 has extra cooling for the trans. The issue is people are tracking the base model and the trans can overheat on extended drives on the track.

But I do believe the Z51 option on the base model should have added extra trans cooling. Since it did not people get the Z51 option then track and have issues. But GM has said the 2016 models will get the extra trans cooling. Let alone there are aftermarket things that can be done to cool it better already.

People complained on the forums about the z06 engine over heating, I believe. Not sure if it was a common issue, and/or what anybody had done for after market radiators, etc.

I would assume it's only an issue for people tracking Z06's to the limit of the engine.
 
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People complained on the forums about the z06 engine over heating, I believe. Not sure if it was a common issue, and/or what anybody had done for after market radiators, etc.

I would assume it's only an issue for people tracking Z06's to the limit of the engine.


The biggest issue I have seen is those tracking with the front license plate installed. That blocks a lot of air and has been a issue. This was covered in the owners manual that says to remove the plate when "driving aggressively". But many do not read the owners manual.

GM also found some of the early Z06's the intercooler was not properly bleed at the factory.

Now for the base car I do believe GM should have added the extra cooling, esp if the car was ordered with the performance Z51 package. That seems to be fixed for 2016.
 

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The biggest issue I have seen is those tracking with the front license plate installed. That blocks a lot of air and has been a issue. This was covered in the owners manual that says to remove the plate when "driving aggressively". But many do not read the owners manual.

GM also found some of the early Z06's the intercooler was not properly bleed at the factory.

Now for the base car I do believe GM should have added the extra cooling, esp if the car was ordered with the performance Z51 package. That seems to be fixed for 2016.

Agreed.

Hopefully GM makes the extra cooling parts from 2016 an inexpensive upgrade for 2015 buyers. Considering a lot of long-time Corvette fans ran out to get the 2015 Z51, they don't want to alienate their fans by leaving them out in the cold...just my $0.02.

The license plate thing is very reasonable. A few screws to remove when tracking, not an issue at all.
 

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The biggest issue I have seen is those tracking with the front license plate installed. That blocks a lot of air and has been a issue. This was covered in the owners manual that says to remove the plate when "driving aggressively". But many do not read the owners manual.

GM also found some of the early Z06's the intercooler was not properly bleed at the factory.

Now for the base car I do believe GM should have added the extra cooling, esp if the car was ordered with the performance Z51 package. That seems to be fixed for 2016.

Thanks for the clarification. I'm keeping my eye on that Z51. How would one do against an early c6 Z06? I'm planning on getting one in a few years (or potentially the new gt350), once I finally finish off my student loans.
 

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Thanks for the clarification. I'm keeping my eye on that Z51. How would one do against an early c6 Z06? I'm planning on getting one in a few years (or potentially the new gt350), once I finally finish off my student loans.


The biggest difference is the power from the motor if you get the Z51 vs the Z06.

The Z06 has other upgrades as well, extra trans cooling for example, but the one that stands out as the biggest difference is power. That is why many are getting Z51's and using the extra money to do the upgrades they want. The base motor is already to much for many so the Z06 just burns tires faster for many. :)
 

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The biggest difference is the power from the motor if you get the Z51 vs the Z06.

The Z06 has other upgrades as well, extra trans cooling for example, but the one that stands out as the biggest difference is power. That is why many are getting Z51's and using the extra money to do the upgrades they want. The base motor is already to much for many so the Z06 just burns tires faster for many. :)

Well, I figure the cost will be same in a few years between the two (2016 Z51 vs 2006ish Z06) so that won't be a huge factor for mod parts.


From wiki:
2006 Z06: 7L V8, 505hp, 0-60 3.6s
2015 Z51: 6.2L V8 450hp, 0-60 3.8s

http://wot.motortrend.com/totd-2014-chevrolet-corvette-z51-or-c6-z06-which-do-you-pick-402219.html
 
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Some people have cars that overheat during hard track sessions.

One guy (confirmed) had one that overheated in traffic. That was from a faulty reservoir that his coolant fill cap wasn't sealing in.

Motortrend posted an inexplicably odd image of one giving an overheating warning, but also was showing the coolant temp in the same picture which was at the normal operating temp.


As for the cooling, the A8 is going to have some cooling issues. That was always known. The M7 cooling is right on the edge of sufficient, and the A8 takes the extra heat generated by the transmission and dumps it right in to the same air flow that is cooling the engine. This was pretty obvious that it was going to happen with the waste heat produced by the power levels on this car. Now, as far as the M7 goes, a few people have had some issues. Personally, I have not at all, but I haven't hit the track that often this year. At this point, it isn't clear if driving style (being harder on the car isn't always being faster), specific car, or specific track is the biggest contributor, but yes, it does happen. It's hard to really understand the issue at a casual glance because car forums are filled with trolls even more dedicated than the video card section on this site. That isn't to say there is no issue, the cooling is obviously marginal, but it isn't nearly the magnitude that some individuals want you to believe.

As far as ways to mitigate it, following the manual track prep is extremely important. That is, a different oil weight is prescribed for track duty as well as a different ratio for the coolant. There is a $1200 aftermarket radiator that is out now that I am waiting on more customer reviews before I take the plunge. On an $80k+ car adding a $1200 upgrade for track duty doesn't really phase me. Pushing cars hard always finds their weak points. However, I need to make sure that I am not going to get any pushback on future warranty issues if I chose to do this.

tl;dr version: A8 version needs better cooling, m7 version typically is sufficient. An upgrade exists if you are an individual experiencing problems. You will only have potential problems at intermediate or better road course levels of driving. Nothing a street driver could do will ever come anywhere close to raising temps. If you go to the track and ignore the manual's requirements for track set up, you're just dumb and might have issues due to that.
 
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