WoW: Enchanting... is this plan a good one?

[torpid]

I started a 4th character. It sounds like I'm a nutcase but it's not quite true. 2 of my other 3 characters are only played with specific other people. So really when I am playing without them, it was just the one character.

I decided to try out enchanting and tailoring with the new person. I'm at 80 tailoring at level 10 but I'm not sure how to raise my enchanting. It's at 25 and I am not sure how to effectively skill it up. Here is my plan... buy super cheap equipment, enchant it, then sell it back to the vendor.

Anyone done this? Do enchanted items go for more at a vendor? Will I find a cheaper spot than northshire abbey or similar? Is there any other effective plan for skilling up easily? For reference, I spent about 1g on linen to get to 80 tailoring. I tried to tailor only green items so I could disenchant. Kind of lopsided result - about 30 strange dust and 4 essences.

My other chars are leatherworking @ 250, blacksmithing @150 (don't laugh), and engineering @190. I was trying to think of a way to leverage the existing chars, for example going out and creating super cheap leather goods by AOEing with my volley shot (it's a hunter), but I'm not sure if that really would save me much money or time.

Thoughts?

Yes, I realize I am an idiot for not enchanting each tailored item as I created it. Hindsight is 20/20. Can you disenchant an enchanted item, BTW?

 

[atmguru]

IMO, enchanting stinks. Enchanted items do not sell to vendors for more. You can disenchant any green/blue/purple/etc item (doesn't matter if you enchanted it or not). You definately need to find a cheap source of green items (AU, guild, other toons, etc.) to disenchant.

I would suggest leveling up to 40 (I think) by ONLY disenchanting. After that, you have to enchant to level up, but you should have plenty of dust to play with.

I got to level 150 or so and got tired of it. I never made any money on it. I never even came close to breaking even. It takes some very expensive ingredients for very little results.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

i am a tailor and an enchanter
i think they both suck

enchanting is HORRIBLE for making money. in fact i would say it costs a lot... instead of selling all your green or blue items you will find yourself tempted to disenchant them for the ingredients. this by itself represents a lot of lost income. add to that the fact that its hard to sell enchantments. you have to spam trade or general, and then coordinate the specific enchants. not to mention that on the low level enchants, no one is willing to spend much money at all. granted at the highest level you can charge a lot for the best enchantments, but even then its a hassle.

if enchanting were changed to where enchanters could create one time use scrolls that could be sold at AH this would be a much more viable profession. if you are going to do enchanting though, definitely be a tailor for the exact reasons you talked about. the garbage green items you will tailor pretty much give garbage enchanting ingredients. unfortunately to get the better essences and dusts you will have to disenchant better and better items. better items that you can easily make as a tailor.

speaking of tailoring, its easy with linen and wool, but silk is a bitch. for one thing, it takes about a full stack to make the decent items, but in addition the good recipies all call for extra ingredients. stuff like elementals, spider silk, pearls, leather etc. all things which you will likely have to buy or spend time farming for. and it just gets worse beyond silk. (im 221 tailor, 155 enchanter right now).

i dont think enchanted items vend for anymore. plus, they dont have much impact on AH prices... hell, the only time people solicit enchantments is for you to make their weapon glow with a crappy enchant.

i am only as skilled in enchanting as i am because at early levels i enchanted the same pieces over and over with the same enchantment, and now because i just spam my guild with offers to enchant everything when i meet up with them. im too lazy and impatient to try and vend them in a town.


my next reroll i will be a gatherer only. i will MAKE money instead of losing it... then when i am at a higher level i will drop one for a production trade because it is SO easy to level fast then (much easier than trying to do it as you go along).

you can disenchant an enchanted item, so long as it was a green or better item to begin with.

 

[mryellow2]

I'd only recommend enchanting if you're already 60 with a very good gold base (i.e. 300+) and have all the end enchants(crusader, unholy etc.) handy for twinking.

 

[ggnl]

I have a lvl 35 priest with enchanting and a lvl 48 rogue with leatherworking. It's really easy to use the leatherworking to lvl enchanting.

Just check Tbot to find out what various leather pieces disenchant to, then check the enchanting section at Tbot find out what what materials you are going to need. It's pretty easy to plan from there.

Depending on the lvl of your leatherworker, you can pretty easily get your enchanting up to 245 (high enough for the +4 1h and +7 2H damage enchants).

And if you get your engineer up to 245 skill you can make green lenses which disenchant to the large shards you need for the second highest lvl enchants.

Edit: I'm pretty sure enchanted items don't sell for more to vendors.

 

[bcterps]

300 tailoring 300 enchanting here.

Enchanting is a huge money sink, but it does pay off in the end, or at least it does for me. Be warned though, enchanting only becomes real profitable/useful at the higher end, and in order to even train above 225, you need to hit the master enchanter that is located in the Uldaman instance. That is a royal pain in the ass, especially if you have to go back there multiple times to train the formulas. In order to increase your level, you'll need to keep enchanting items, sometimes you can sell them, but at the lower end, it's too much of a pain, and you end up reenchanting your items over and over again, just to get skill up. Even for me to get from 295-300 required me to reenchant some of my items just because it was too much of a pain to try to sell it to someone.

As a guide, weapon enchants are your biggest sellers (beastslaying, striking, impact, demonslaying, etc.) since they make your weapons glow and add some coolness factor. After that would come bracers/glove/boot enchantments. Popular ones are +stamina, agility, and str.

Tailoring/enchanting do go pretty well together in that you can tailor green items and then disenchant them, that's my current primary source of reagents. But yes, you are going to cost yourself a lot of money. Buying items off AH to disenchant is simply not cost effective. The best thing is to find a good guild that can shuttle you vendor trash, in exchange you can give them free enchantments (except for maybe some of the higher lvl stuff).

I am not too active in selling enchantments, I will offer up some enchants for sale, depending on my stock of reagents. The rest come from people that contact me asking for specific things. Right now, my main money makers are +7 dmg to 2H weapons (12g), and +7 sta to bracers/boots (2g-3g). I recently got +7 agility to gloves which is a nice one for rogues/hunters.

My prices don't fluctuate at all really since I don't have a huge need for money right now (over 300g), and I don't mind waiting till I get my price. At this point I may have broken even from when I first started enchanting, but it took a while to get there. I had to borrow 40g for my mount at lvl 40 because I didn't have the money.

 

[torpid]

Thanks. I'm not that worried about money really. I don't mind sinking money into it as long as I'm not doing it in a highly cost ineffective way. I don't want to do two gathering skills because I already have plenty of money sources at the moment.

However, now I'm wondering... can you enchant an already enchanted item? Can you use the same enchantment?

I'm not too keen on creating level 250 leather items and disenchanting them when they could sell for 1g+. For 1g I could probably buy 5+ items worth of tailoring materials.

My real goal is just to skill up enchanting effectively. Now that I'm up to wool items in tailoring, it's not going to be as easy to skill up (wool is rare and expensive on the AH for me). Maybe garbage leather items is the way to go.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: torpid
Thanks. I'm not that worried about money really. I don't mind sinking money into it as long as I'm not doing it in a highly cost ineffective way. I don't want to do two gathering skills because I already have plenty of money sources at the moment.

However, now I'm wondering... can you enchant an already enchanted item? Can you use the same enchantment?

I'm not too keen on creating level 250 leather items and disenchanting them when they could sell for 1g+. For 1g I could probably buy 5+ items worth of tailoring materials.

My real goal is just to skill up enchanting effectively. Now that I'm up to wool items in tailoring, it's not going to be as easy to skill up (wool is rare and expensive on the AH for me). Maybe garbage leather items is the way to go.

leather is more expensive than tailoring... big time...
unless you are a master level skinner as well...
and even then its very coslty being a stack of leather sells very fast on AH...

best way to do enchanting is to group with guidies and do nothing but farm for blue/green items to disenchants this works well if you have unselfish guildies....
other wiese youll have to go solo mid level instances 35-45 and melt everything you find over and over to get the shards you need....

enchating is bar none the hardest and most expensive trade there is...
it took our master enchanter literally thousands of top notch blue items to get maxed and even more to do everyones gear now... (guild only)
its a vicious cycle...

 

[bcterps]

You can reenchant items with the same enchantment, I've done it many times just to up my skill.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

Originally posted by: torpid
Thanks. I'm not that worried about money really. I don't mind sinking money into it as long as I'm not doing it in a highly cost ineffective way. I don't want to do two gathering skills because I already have plenty of money sources at the moment.

However, now I'm wondering... can you enchant an already enchanted item? Can you use the same enchantment?

I'm not too keen on creating level 250 leather items and disenchanting them when they could sell for 1g+. For 1g I could probably buy 5+ items worth of tailoring materials.

My real goal is just to skill up enchanting effectively. Now that I'm up to wool items in tailoring, it's not going to be as easy to skill up (wool is rare and expensive on the AH for me). Maybe garbage leather items is the way to go.

Yes, you can enchant an item that is already enchanted. The new enchantment overwrites the existing one (even if it is the same enchantment)

 

[torpid]

OK, being that I am only level 10 and have 40 or so dust. Should I just keep the dust until I can use it for something useful and then keep grinding away, or should I use up all the dust now? I just don't get the dynamics of enchanting. As a leatherworker, I gather up insane amounts of leather then use them all up as soon as possible. Leatherworkers can't really gain skills without making things.

As an enchanter does it make more sense to gather insane amounts of materials and then save them for good recipes? Or should I just use the cheap stuff up and wait for better materials? One vote above seems to be for hording dust.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

What do you guys think the best profession is? Im a skinner and a fisher right now and thinking about learning either leather or cooking.

 

[MrBond]

As an enchanter does it make more sense to gather insane amounts of materials and then save them for good recipes? Or should I just use the cheap stuff up and wait for better materials? One vote above seems to be for hording dust.

As a tailor, I'd make stuff as soon as I had the materials for it. I try and stick to orange recipes only, because you're guaranteed a skill up on them.

 

[bcterps]

Don't bother hoarding dust. Just like leatherworking, where you start with light leather and work your way up, the same is with enchanting. You start off with strange dust, and you work your way up to illusion dust. At lvl 300, I have a bunch of extra essence/dust from lower lvl enchanting that I either just sell at AH, or even trash.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
What do you guys think the best profession is? Im a skinner and a fisher right now and thinking about learning either leather or cooking.

They all seem pretty mediocre to me, to be honest. Skinning seems like the most sure fire bet for making money. Alchemy seems like it may have the most practical use between using the potions yourself and supplying to the guild.

Cooking does not take up one of your professions. If you are a fisher you should definitely cook. It's easy skill ups.

I have liked leatherworking I guess. Maybe. Most items I never use for myself, but they can be sold or have use for someone.

Engineering is a lot of fun, with a lot of unique devices. But you won't likely use most of them nor can you sell them for much.

If I had to start all over again the only change I would make is not doing blacksmithing. It's just out of control. It takes forever to get the resources, and it takes an insane number of them to make anything.

 

[ggnl]

In case you haven't seen it yet:

http://www.thottbot.com/?t=Enchanting

 

[zzzz]

enchanting can be profitable but only at higher levels. My suggestion is to get some other professions till you are level 50 and then change to enchanting.

 

[quikah]

I think the only real useful professions in the end are alchemy and enchanting. The rest of the professions gives loot that is generally bettered by drops/quest rewards at every level. The only possible exceptions are the useful odds and ends that each profession can make, such as leatherworking's armor patches and tailoring's bags. Really you can play the game without ANY professions and not really miss out on much. I will admit though that leatherworking's complete nightscape set looks badass (the items are actually pretty good also, but I could easily better them with a short shopping trip to the AH). If your sole goal is making money pick herb/alchemy or pick 2 gathering professions.

Cooking/fishing/first aid are free skills that everyone can get, no reason to think about these.

 

[skace]

Enchanting is probably one of the biggest money making skills. My friend makes 150G per enchant at level 60.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: skace
Enchanting is probably one of the biggest money making skills. My friend makes 150G per enchant at level 60.

I dont know of an enchant that costs nearly that much, Crusader is only 20g.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: skace
Enchanting is probably one of the biggest money making skills. My friend makes 150G per enchant at level 60.

I dont know of an enchant that costs nearly that much, Crusader is only 20g.

yep ... dont see how thats poissible..
i can get 2 x+5s wep damages.. the most expensive shard... for 20g..

 

[Schadenfroh]

If you want money go dual gathering. My lvl 40 pally had over 300G by doing Skinning/Mining.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: skace
Enchanting is probably one of the biggest money making skills. My friend makes 150G per enchant at level 60.

I dont know of an enchant that costs nearly that much, Crusader is only 20g.

Shrug, thats how much people were paying him for rare weapon enchants. He has Icy Chill, Unholy, and Crusader. Not sure if he has Life Stealing yet. Last I heard he was going 50/50 payout for anyone who would supply him with Essence of Air and Water for enchants. I think it is the Air that is the insanely rare one.

Or you can consider me a liar . But the fact is that high level enchanters are rolling in cash.

 

[bcterps]

I'm not surprised that Crusader is 150G at all. It's hard enough to get the formula for it, but the ingredients are a pain in the ass. Heck I'm having trouble enough getting an arcanite rod, I finally have a formula that requires one. 3 Arcane Crystals, plus the thorium, plus some alchemist to make the arcanite for you. That's probably 60g right there for the rod. Then to make it a runed one uses at least another 40g or so in materials. That's 100g just to make a runed rod for the high lvl enchant. You bet I would pass that cost on to someone who wanted Crusader or a similar enchant that required a runed arcanite rod.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: benchiu
I'm not surprised that Crusader is 150G at all. It's hard enough to get the formula for it, but the ingredients are a pain in the ass. Heck I'm having trouble enough getting an arcanite rod, I finally have a formula that requires one. 3 Arcane Crystals, plus the thorium, plus some alchemist to make the arcanite for you. That's probably 60g right there for the rod. Then to make it a runed one uses at least another 40g or so in materials. That's 100g just to make a runed rod for the high lvl enchant. You bet I would pass that cost on to someone who wanted Crusader or a similar enchant that required a runed arcanite rod.

The rod is a 1 time deal though. Although Righteous Orbs are pretty rare, Icy Chill requires some insanely rare items. Here is some info from Thottbot for those who thought I was pulling crap out of my arse

"Anyone know what I could legitimately sell this formula for? The prices people charge for the actual enchant are upwards of 100g on Warsong, so what could I get away with as far as the recipe goes?"

"Harderst thing to get for this enchant is Essence of Air. On Doomhammer EoA sells for 50g."

50G for 1 PART OF THE ENCHANT MATERIALS.

http://www.thottbot.com/index.cgi?i=23159