wow, did not see this coming at all.. kim jong un calls for end of conflict with sout

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  1. amyklai

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    If anybody had suggested in 1988 that Germany would be reunited in 1990, he would've been laughed at. Heck, even in February 1989, Eastern German police still killed a guy who wanted to flee to Western Germany. I'm German, I was around 15 at the time, and I thought reunification was never going to never happen - or at least not any time soon.

    Once things start to change, change often happens much faster than anybody expected.

    IMO the big difference between NK and Easten Germany is that NK has the atomic bomb. But Eastern Germany also hat lots of Russian soldiers stationed there, and hardly anyone believed that Russia would let Eastern Germany and the other Warsaw Pact states slip away. Otherwise, the situation is somewhat similar: the main supporter state is no longer as supportive as it used to be (and also no longer quite as strict about communism) and there's a prosperous sibling state next door.
     
  2. UberNeuman

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    It's all because of Gangnam Style....
     
  3. amyklai

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    That's not quite true. A lot of people who worked for the Eastern German State or were closely affiliated with the system were suddenly fired and jobless. Stasi, Police, Army, Politicians etc went from priviliged caste to irrelevant and relatively bad off (albeit in a now much richer country). Do you really think Honecker and Mielke had nothing to lose?
     
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    I think the previous Kim was a lunatic on the scale of Stalin. He was simply paranoid. With or without reason is hard to tell. But he didnt want a change. Maybe he liked the worshipping as well. The new Kim is completely different with a clean view on everything and "indoctrined" with european culture. We talk about a person who is basicly raised in europe in a modern, high efficient and rich socialist type society. For him it must feel like coming from the big city and set out to some amish farm.

    The real problem tho is the rest of the bunch. But without Kim, their power would fall fast. Hopefully they all realized the situation.
     
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  5. Lemon law

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    We have to also understand that South Korea has been self sufficient as a farming nation,
    While at the same time North Korea has suffered from a 30 year drought that has left North Korea unable to feed itself.

    As the other semi stupidity on this thread lies in the hypothesis that the real power in North Korea lies in North Korean Army leaders military command leadership and not in the Kim Jung famdamily.

    There was no real and immediate West German profit when they assimilated the Basket case ecomomy of East Germany, but I defy anyone to say West Germany and East Germany are not better off for it today. Especially since it was done without firing a shot,
     
  6. Pocatello

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    North Korea can become another place to make cheap products for the West. Nike shoes, Columbia jackets, or Wal-mart clothes will be made in Best Korea.
     
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  7. Svnla

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    Well, I will wait and see. Talk is cheap.

    I do hope that oppressive regimes in commie/socialist countries will open their eyes and set their country free.

    I haven't been to main land China and North Korea yet but I have been to several countries in Asia, both developed such as S. Korea, Japan, Singapore, etc. and developing such as Indonesia, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc.

    The potential of those developing are amazing (raw materials, mineral, oil, gas, etc). The work ethics of those people are great (no sitting around and blaming on whiteys like in the US). They just need the opportunities/breaks. Sadly, the small groups that control the countries are holding on for their dear lives because of their massive wealth and power. One can only dream.
     
  8. Yongsta

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    He went to elementary / middle school in Swizterland and studied in France as well. He was a big fan of Michael Jordan and the NBA.

    He had a lot of exposure outside of North Korea, nothing like his father.

    http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/07/17/2009071700693.html
     
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    What about the oppressiveregimes in the other types of countries?
     
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    North Korea still has labor camps where they send you for not agreeing with the state.
     
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    He's trying to pivot to be China 2.0. One look at China and their wealth, who wouldn't want to copy them?
     
  12. SheHateMe

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    North Korea is still Best Korea.
     
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    It's difficult for me to believe that the average South Korean is comfortable with a northern neighbor that has nuclear arms and a desperately poor citizenry. The long-run benefits of reunification just have to outweigh the costs.
     
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    edit - redundant
     
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    Establishing peaceful relations, and then trade, is the only way North Korea ends without nuclear holocaust. So I welcome any step towards normalization.
     
  16. OutHouse

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    East germans wanted to come to the west. Not so with north koreans.
     
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    Think of it as Nixon going to China, not German reunification.

    The goal should be establishing economic activity, trade, and interdependence.
     
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    The chance of North- and South Korea cooperating for the good of their people seems to be higher at least than the chance of the Republicans and Democrats working together to save the US economy.
     
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    Neither China or SK want to deal with 30 million refugees. They would gladly accept trade and help but to allow the North to just open their borders and say the war is over is not going to happen. It is going to be an extremely slow process because they are going to have to have specialists to go in and somehow manage a transistion. The entire population is brain washed and it would be a huge shock to them to just see iPads, cars, freedom, etc.
     
  20. Svnla

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    Well, these things take time. I hope it's true and that he does bring about much needed change for North Korea.
     
  22. Lemon law

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    While I agree with JulesMaximus, my minor quibble may lie in the time its takes once sides agree. Look a both German reunification and Vietnamese reunification, that took 50 and 30 years respectively to start because they became footballs external nations fought over. As first the French and then the USA tried to keep Vietnam divided, but once those external nations got dope slapped, the reunification was rapid and relatively bloodless. Somewhat the same in the reunification of East and West Germany once the US and Russia quit using the two German nations as a football.

    I may, as a US citizen dislike the North Korean leadership, but I can't summon up an iota of hatred for the North Korean people. If Kim Jung UN is willing to work for reunification with South Korea, its in the interests of everyone in the world to just let it happen as rapidly as possible.
     
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    Psy's Gangnam Style is clearly directly responsible.

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    Next country for capitalism to exploit cheap labor? :p
     
  25. Svnla

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    Really?

    My friends in VN said otherwise = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reeducation_camp

    Plus millions of boat people = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_boat_people

    Hundreds of thousands of former S. Vietnam officers/employees and millions of boat people =! relative bloodless.
     
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