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WOW, And I thought there was an X800 Shortage BEFORE HL2...

jpeyton

jpeyton

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I was going to pull the trigger on a Sapphire X800 XT (here at Newegg) last week, but they went OOS. The price was $485 when it went out.

Well it just came back in stock, FOR $650!!!

Jesus.
 
I think part of the reason is that the X800 XT I linked is actually a PE; read the user feedback, they all report it having PE clock speeds.

However, the official PE listed on Newegg is $599 and OOS right now; it'll probably show up in a few weeks for $800 or something.
 
yea, i was going to order that card, i should have confirmed the # w/ sapphire, but i got the regular sapphire xt for 470 (including 3 day shipping)
 
That Sapphire card with model #102A26109 is X800XT PE version. Sapphire confirmed that model is the PE edition. That's why the price went up to $650. I tried to order that card also but I was too slow.

This Gigabyte card is also PE edition but it's out of stock at the moment. I checked the model # with Gigabyte and it's PE. Shows it as PE on the retail box also. Hopefully Newegg won't raise the price on this one if it ever comes back in stock.
Gigabyte x800xt PE
 
Originally posted by: shabby
I wonder how much newegg would charge for the platinum edition.
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That's the PE. That model # matches the PE one and Sapphire has confirmed it's indeed PE.
 
For anyone who cares, most all of the vanilla 800XT cards people are ordering meet PE specs, and beyond. I bought a connect3d vanilla XT and it came with 1.6ns Ram which is rated to 1300mhz. The core is clocked stock at 500, so it easily goes to 520. I haven't tested it's limits yet and I probably won't because PE speeds are crazy fast - plenty for me. My vanilla XT which is clocked by default at 500/500 is running at a cool 520/560 with no problems whatsoever. This card is simply an underclocked PE, no question.
 
Yeah but if I'm spending this much money I want the PE and nothing less. Most early 800XT did come with 1.6ns ram but newer batches now mostly come with 2.0ns ram. I don't feel like gambling hoping to get early batch card. If I wanted to gamble I would have gotten X800pro vivo.
 
Newegg is lame. I don't think anyone should buy from them anymore. They are guilty of what looks to be some serious price gouging. Totally uncalled for if you ask me and ridiculous.
 
Plain x800xt was around $450 a week or two ago. Plain x800xt isn't difficult to get. Platinum Edition is.

GameVE is on my personal "Do Not Buy From" blacklist.
 
The cheapest AGP PE is like 550 and PCIe PE is like 600+ if you're lucky. PE isn't worth the extra 100 bucks IMO, but if I'm gonna be spending 500 for a regular then 50 extra bucks for a PE doesn't sound so bad anymore...
 
I'll give good marks to AllStarShop though. I ordered 3 Sapphire X800 XTs from them this week, $450 each (now they're $500-something...everyone seems to be jacking up their prices).

But they shipped all my cards the same day I ordered, which is something Newegg hasn't done in a while.

Naustica, the Sapphire's came with 1.6ns RAM. I don't think the problem with the XTs has ever been the RAM; if you look at other overclocking-focused forums on the net, a LOT of people with X800 Pros (non-VIVO 12-pipe) have clocked their 2.0ns RAM at 550MHz and up.

The 2.0 and 1.6 RAM are both excellent clockers; the problem seems to be on ATI's end of things. These vanilla XTs are not just downclocked XT PEs; they are XT PE cores that don't cut the mustard at 520/560 under rigorous testing conditions.

An interesting fact that most of you guys might not know: the quality of the core actually controls how high you can clock the memory. Many times, the XT cores are rejected at PE speeds because they cannot interface with the memory running at 560MHz; when the memory clock is lowered to 500MHz, they function fine.

TourGuide, how did you test the stability of your card at PE speeds. While I don't doubt that many X800 XTs and X800 PRO VIVOs run at PE speeds, a lot of people don't rigorously test their cards to make sure it's a clean overclock.

For example, I had an X800 XT that would run ATITool's arifact finder for 20 minutes without a single artifact, and then a single one would appear. It would then go for another 20-something minutes before a second artifact appeared. Now that may be overkill, especially since you'll never really notice a single pixel artifact in a game, I want to make sure my overclock is equal to the real thing (the real thing being a true PE) before I call it one.
 
I'm kinda stuck...I was planning on ordering the parts to my new comp within the next week or so, but all of a sudden damn HL2 has to go and fuxor things up for me. I was planning on getting a normal XT for 450 bucks, which is right about budget, and now they're all at least 50 bucks higher, so I don't know what to do now. Any help?
 
Originally posted by: Mrvile
I'm kinda stuck...I was planning on ordering the parts to my new comp within the next week or so, but all of a sudden damn HL2 has to go and fuxor things up for me. I was planning on getting a normal XT for 450 bucks, which is right about budget, and now they're all at least 50 bucks higher, so I don't know what to do now. Any help?
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You can always take a gamble on a X800 Pro VIVO. Those can be found online for under $450 (search X800 VIVO on price engines).

I've softmodded 11 X800 Pro VIVOs, and all but two did 500/500 XT speeds. One that failed 500/500 did 475/475 easily (which is still way better than a normal Pro) and one failed everything (the card ran for a while at 500/500 and then it died 🙁)

Those are pretty good odds, I'd say.
 
Still, I don't want my card blowing up on me, especially when I'm gonna be voiding the warranty and running the card at speeds it won't run at. I thought about flashing the Pro to XT, but it shortens the lifespan of your card. Will installing better cooling help?
 
jpeyton, I know Sapphire still uses 1.6ns ram on their plain XTs. But like you said, the cores are from PE that didn't cut the mustard. I'm pretty sure I can overclock XT to PE pretty easily but that's not the point. You can overclock the PE also. I want it to show it as PE and come at the default PE speeds.

BTW, about how many XTs have you flipped and sold? Do you sell them mainly on fleabay or locally? Just curious.
 
This was probably the best deal I found. I want to get a retail version of an XT because it comes with a lot of good software, the drivers, basically everything needed to go. I've also heard some good things about Visiontek (PCmag reviewed them and gave them like 4 or 4.5 out of 5). Should I order ASAP before these things go OOS as well?
 
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Still, I don't want my card blowing up on me, especially when I'm gonna be voiding the warranty and running the card at speeds it won't run at. I thought about flashing the Pro to XT, but it shortens the lifespan of your card. Will installing better cooling help?
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Better cooling is always good to have, but I can't really say if it increases card life because I tend to get new ones every year. It might help your overclock a little, although generally these XTs don't overclock nearly as well as real PEs on average.
 
I know, but I'm not gonna spend ANOTHER 100 bucks on a PE. Anyway, what do you think about the deal I posted? I'm probably gonna get it first thing tomorrow morning (my mom's already gone to bed). I just hope to god they're still in stock by then, but the site seems to have pretty good stockage.
 
I don't want to discourage you or anything but I thought I read somewhere that Visiontek XT uses 2.0ns memory. I could be wrong though. Still looks like a good price considering it's retail and XTs are going up in price everywhere. I've heard people having good experience with that retailer, but I can't order from a company that spammed Hot Deals forums and wrote fake testimonials. I know they apologized but I still won't buy from them just like I will probably never buy OCZ due to their past behaviors.
 
Originally posted by: Mrvile
This was probably the best deal I found. I want to get a retail version of an XT because it comes with a lot of good software, the drivers, basically everything needed to go. I've also heard some good things about Visiontek (PCmag reviewed them and gave them like 4 or 4.5 out of 5). Should I order ASAP before these things go OOS as well?
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That's a good choice. Visiontek cards are stock ATI cards with a Visiontek sticker on the fan. Most places locally sell that same card for $499-$549, so that's a good deal.

Naustica, I've sold all mine on eBay. These ATi cards are rare in the US and ever rarer overseas; no problem finding buyers.
 
Thanks guys. But Naustica, I thought cards OC'd better with 2.0ns than 1.6ns? I may be wrong, I don't know much about OCing video cards.
 
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Thanks guys. But Naustica, I thought cards OC'd better with 2.0ns than 1.6ns? I may be wrong, I don't know much about OCing video cards.
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The lower the latency, the faster it can clock. 2.0ns/1000 = 500MHz Clock & 1.6ns/1000 = 600MHz Clock.

However, many times memory can exceed it's theoretical maximum clock speed, and many times there are other outside factors contributing to memory clock speeds (such as what voltage the manufacturer sets for the memory, or in the case of X800s how fast the core can interface with the memory).

I've seen many cases where a 12 pipeline X800 Pro can have a high core and memory clock because ATi is having so much difficulty producing quality 16 pipeline cores that can go as high.
 
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