WOW - AMD is in trouble

[SpeedZealot369]

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2840

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I hope AMD has something up it's sleeve (k8L) because intel is really coming in strong..

-SZ

 

[Kromis]

I wouldn't say they are in trouble...yet.

 

[swtethan]

in 2007 they will be in deep doo doo

 

[Trikat]

Intel is just busting out too much technology to subdue AMD's thunder.
I hope AMD can rebound so CPU prices stay lower than when Intel was dominant.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2840

:Q :Q :Q :Q

I hope AMD has something up it's sleeve (k8L) because intel is really coming in strong..

-SZ

While AMD's Direct Connect architecture is obviously a lot cleaner/simpler than requiring a MCH with four 64-bit FSB interfaces, until Intel eventually embraces an on-die MCH this is the best it can do. In order to help manage the CPU-to-CPU requests in the platform, Intel is also equipping the MCH with a 64MB Snoop Filter cache.

It sounds like AMD has the better solution in this area already, and Intel is just using workarounds. And they will have quad core about the same time. So why are they in trouble ?

 

[theteamaqua]

intel's quad core isnt relaly that good, its like pentium d where they packed 2 pentium 4 and beame a pentium d, now they poacked 2 conroes and become a kentsfield ...

i might get it if its cheap, cuz it does have 2 conroes in it,

if AMD cant get K8L out fast enough, i am afraid that it iwll be another 3dfx ...

 

[Bateluer]

Yeesh, AMD lags one product cycle, and people proclaim doom and gloom. AMD isn't going anywhere. Intel and AMD will play leapfrog, as they have for the last half decade.


Edit - Next thread titled 'AMD is in trouble', 'Why would someone buy AMD?", etc, should be 'Insta-locked'

 

[Henny]

I'm confident they'll turn out some good new designs but their process technology is way behind. They haven't even shipped volume 65nm yet. That's one generation behind Intel.

 

[Bobthelost]

Even more interesting is the Low Voltage quad-core Xeon due out in Q1 '07 that will offer four cores in a 50W power envelope.

Pretty...

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Trikat
Intel is just busting out too much technology to subdue AMD's thunder.
I hope AMD can rebound so CPU prices stay lower than when Intel was dominant.

Well this disproves the whole theory AMD fans have had for the last year and a half. That Intel was just resting on its laurels and not innovating or developing.

IMHO they were working vigorously on this stuff and it has now come to fruition.

The irony is that it may well prove to be AMD that kicked back and must now spend a great deal of time and money to come back to the table.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: theteamaqua
intel's quad core isnt relaly that good, its like pentium d where they packed 2 pentium 4 and beame a pentium d, now they poacked 2 conroes and become a kentsfield ...

i might get it if its cheap, cuz it does have 2 conroes in it,

if AMD cant get K8L out fast enough, i am afraid that it iwll be another 3dfx ...

ROFL

Kentsfield is gonna be a beast. No one really cares that it is "just two Conroes thrown together". It is going to absolutely destroy anything AMD has for some time to come.

And there is no comparison between Smithfield and Kentsfield. This is a whole new beast.

Even more exciting is the ES I've seen overclock like mad too.

 

[Bobthelost]

The ES for the 6600s OC'd really well too. I think it's safe to say that they are either cherry picked, or somehow made to tighter tolerances than producation chips are.

Quad core is very tempting, might well be the thing that gets me to retire my X2 system.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Quad core this, that, sheesh. I just got a freaking Core Duo system.

- M4H

 

[Kur]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: theteamaqua
intel's quad core isnt relaly that good, its like pentium d where they packed 2 pentium 4 and beame a pentium d, now they poacked 2 conroes and become a kentsfield ...

i might get it if its cheap, cuz it does have 2 conroes in it,

if AMD cant get K8L out fast enough, i am afraid that it iwll be another 3dfx ...

ROFL

Kentsfield is gonna be a beast. No one really cares that it is "just two Conroes thrown together". It is going to absolutely destroy anything AMD has for some time to come.

And there is no comparison between Smithfield and Kentsfield. This is a whole new beast.

Even more exciting is the ES I've seen overclock like mad too.

Sweet, word opens up in .1 seconds instead of 1 second. I sure am glad I spent $1000+ on this processor.

The quad processor is good for servers, rendering and mainly bussiness things. You wanna list an application that takes full advantage of 4 cores? Didn't think so.

 

[Markfw]

You wanna list an application that takes full advantage of 4 cores? Didn't think so.

Well, when AMD goes quad, I my dual-socket Opteron board will be running 8 instances of F@H..... For starters.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Kur
Sweet, word opens up in .1 seconds instead of 1 second. I sure am glad I spent $1000+ on this processor.

The quad processor is good for servers, rendering and mainly bussiness things. You wanna list an application that takes full advantage of 4 cores? Didn't think so.

Sure.

VMWare ... Photoshop ... 3DSMax ...

There are a plethora of multi-threaded apps out there now, and many more to come.

And perhaps you missed the demonstration of an upcoming game title which ran on Kentsfield and used an entire core just for special effects? You're going to see games taking advantage of this more and more.

Just because YOU have no use for it doesn't mean no one else does. Some of us do more than surf the web

EDIT: Your notion of "4" cores is laughable. Applications and games that are multithreaded and SMP-aware will automatically make use of as many as they can get. Whether that be 2,4,8,16,32 is of no merit.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Quad core this, that, sheesh. I just got a freaking Core Duo system.

- M4H

You'll get Core Quad just as Core/Athlon Octo gets released!

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Quad core this, that, sheesh. I just got a freaking Core Duo system.

- M4H

Hey man... I still have a single core system....

 

[Hard Ball]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Quad core this, that, sheesh. I just got a freaking Core Duo system.

- M4H

Hey man... I still have a single core system....

Don't you feel the need to scratch that upgrade bug ?

 

[dmens]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Yeesh, AMD lags one product cycle, and people proclaim doom and gloom. AMD isn't going anywhere. Intel and AMD will play leapfrog, as they have for the last half decade.

who the hell came up with this leapfrog myth anyways? intel's recovery with merom was far from certain.

 

[Zenoth]

Ahhh ... yes, speculations and guesses. Good show.

Why can't people just wait and see, is beyond me.

I for one will wait for K8L, and then I will take my decision for upgrading. It's very, very simple.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: dmens

Originally posted by: Bateluer
Yeesh, AMD lags one product cycle, and people proclaim doom and gloom. AMD isn't going anywhere. Intel and AMD will play leapfrog, as they have for the last half decade.

who the hell came up with this leapfrog myth anyways? intel's recovery with merom was far from certain.

There's some truth to it, but it certainly doesn't happen with each new Core release.

 

[Henny]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Trikat
Intel is just busting out too much technology to subdue AMD's thunder.
I hope AMD can rebound so CPU prices stay lower than when Intel was dominant.

Well this disproves the whole theory AMD fans have had for the last year and a half. That Intel was just resting on its laurels and not innovating or developing.

IMHO they were working vigorously on this stuff and it has now come to fruition.

The irony is that it may well prove to be AMD that kicked back and must now spend a great deal of time and money to come back to the table.

Time is not on AMD's side since they're behind in process technology. In addition they're struggling in Dresden trying to convert to new technology without crippling output.

Money is also not on AMD's side since they're in a price war with Intel calling the shots. They also spent 1/3 of their market cap on ATI. It could be a wise investment or a folly but it will require time, money and tons of management focus to play out successfully.

I also have a feeling AMD gave away the store to get into Dell's pants.

AMD is definately betting the farm in this high stakes poker game. They could win big or loose big.

 

[OcHungry]

I guess you can say AMD is in trouble. intel in less than 24 hrs can glue 2 single cores to make a dual core and glue 4 singles in about 48 hrs and call it quad core(s). For that matter, now that we are at it, why not just glue 8 and call it Octa-core(s). But unfortunately it is not that easy for AMD to design and produce dual or quad core. It takes strenuous design, draft, and enormous time to trial/error and refining to finalize a dual or quad core. A chip that all elements intertwined and integrated into one entity making it a true dual or quad.
Intel got it easy and AMD envies Intel for their smarts and being so able to glue chips together. One should thank Elmer glue doing wonders.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: OcHungry
I guess you can say AMD is in trouble. intel in less than 24 hrs can glue 2 single cores to make a dual core and glue 4 singles in about 48 hrs and call it quad core(s). For that matter, now that we are at it, why not just glue 8 and call it Octa-core(s). But unfortunately it is not that easy for AMD to design and produce dual or quad core. It takes strenuous design, draft, and enormous time to trial/error and refining to finalize a dual or quad core. A chip that all elements intertwined and integrated into one entity making it a true dual or quad.
Intel got it easy and AMD envies Intel for their smarts and being so able to glue chips together. One should thank Elmer glue doing wonders.

Yea, who needs glue when you can take 2 sockets with dual cores and PR it as Quad Core.

Judging by the way you post, you probably work for DesignReactor.