Would you use an ATM that didn't give a receipt?

[Schadenfroh]

No, I would also not use a bank that did not send me a statement in the mail every month either.

 

[steppinthrax]

I give my full trust in the new voting systems. The problem that we are having with these systems have nothing to do with the systems themselves but more/less the people who are using them. Unfortunalty in the country we still have a lot of this old generation people (you know the one's who grew up with b/w tv and AM radio) who can't accept this technology. They don't understand how it works and see it as complicated therefore it can be exploited. They are scared of radical change and like doing things the old way because it makes them feel comfortable. Most of the people that are having trouble with these new voting systems are people in their 50's and 60's. Fortunaltey for the rest of us when this generation of people all die off we will be able to mainstream more technology in our lives. These are the same exact people that protest nuclear reasearch and the building of nuclear reactors.

As far as the voting systems go. They are probably have just as high probability to being hacked and exploited as do politicians willfully tamper with their votes (as did bush in '00) and misaligned ballots (hanging chads, impregnated ballots, moisture, transpotation issues etc....). But, unfortunatley when something does go wrong with the system people will bitch and complain to futher reinforce it is a poor system. They don't relize however paper ballot is just as prone as well.

Unfortunatley for the one who don't like this. I'm 100% sure they will become commonplace as voting systems within the next 10 years or so. This country in all as ADD and companies will continuslly use them untill they become mainstream.

 

[db]

If the machines have glitches or mistakes are made, why are they always in favor of the Republicans?
You would think 50% of the mistakes/glitches would go to each side....

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: techs
Would you use an ATM that didn't give a receipt?
And in case of dispute there would be no way to verify who was right.

So why would you use a voting machine that doesn't give a receipt or have a way to verify your vote was counted accurately?

Just curious.

Yes, I would if it was a "Bank of America" ATM machine.
Chances of getting a dispute? Virtually zilch, nil, none, nada.
I've never had any dispute with Bank of America, and I'll keep using them.

Bad analogy.
I haven't printed the receipts in at least 2-3 years.
I use online banking and know what is in my account everytime.

Your analogy should have been...would you buy an item in a shopping mall for $300 and not take a receipt?
Chances are 1,000,000 : 1 that I'm much more likely to return that item than to find a dispute with an ATM receipt.

And yes, I've already voted by absentee ballot. Can't trust the Deibold machines in Maryland.

*EDITED* to clarify...
I get monthly banking statements and can check anytime I want electronically.
I could care less about printing receipts at an ATM.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: RichardE
My Atm withdrawl will not decide my life for the next 4 years.

My vote could.

next

Seems to me the problem is not the voting machines. The real problem is having a government with so much power that they get to run your life. Voting machine insecurity is just a distraction from the real issue.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Lothar
Yes, I would if it was a "Bank of America" ATM machine.
Chances of getting a dispute? Virtually zilch, nil, none, nada.
I've never had any dispute with Bank of America, and I'll keep using them.

Bad analogy.
I haven't printed the receipts in at least 2-3 years.
I use online banking and know what is in my account everytime.

Your analogy should have been...would you buy an item in a shopping mall for $300 and not take a receipt?
Chances are 1,000,000 : 1 that I'm much more likely to return that item than to find a dispute with an ATM receipt.

And yes, I've already voted by absentee ballot. Can't trust the Deibold machines in Maryland.

*EDITED* to clarify...
I get monthly banking statements and can check anytime I want electronically.
I could care less about printing receipts at an ATM.

Honest question: Would you do business with a bank that has ATMs that do not print out reciepts, don't send you any monthly statements (electronic or paper), and there was no way to verify your balance?

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Lothar
Yes, I would if it was a "Bank of America" ATM machine.
Chances of getting a dispute? Virtually zilch, nil, none, nada.
I've never had any dispute with Bank of America, and I'll keep using them.

Bad analogy.
I haven't printed the receipts in at least 2-3 years.
I use online banking and know what is in my account everytime.

Your analogy should have been...would you buy an item in a shopping mall for $300 and not take a receipt?
Chances are 1,000,000 : 1 that I'm much more likely to return that item than to find a dispute with an ATM receipt.

And yes, I've already voted by absentee ballot. Can't trust the Deibold machines in Maryland.

*EDITED* to clarify...
I get monthly banking statements and can check anytime I want electronically.
I could care less about printing receipts at an ATM.

Honest question: Would you do business with a bank that has ATMs that do not print out reciepts, don't send you any monthly statements (electronic or paper), and there was no way to verify your balance?

Of course not.

But that wasn't the question asked in the topic.
I don't care about ATM receipts, but I do care about monthly statements and the ability to check my account anytime I feel like it.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I give my full trust in the new voting systems. The problem that we are having with these systems have nothing to do with the systems themselves but more/less the people who are using them. Unfortunalty in the country we still have a lot of this old generation people (you know the one's who grew up with b/w tv and AM radio) who can't accept this technology. They don't understand how it works and see it as complicated therefore it can be exploited. They are scared of radical change and like doing things the old way because it makes them feel comfortable. Most of the people that are having trouble with these new voting systems are people in their 50's and 60's. Fortunaltey for the rest of us when this generation of people all die off we will be able to mainstream more technology in our lives. These are the same exact people that protest nuclear reasearch and the building of nuclear reactors.

As far as the voting systems go. They are probably have just as high probability to being hacked and exploited as do politicians willfully tamper with their votes (as did bush in '00) and misaligned ballots (hanging chads, impregnated ballots, moisture, transpotation issues etc....). But, unfortunatley when something does go wrong with the system people will bitch and complain to futher reinforce it is a poor system. They don't relize however paper ballot is just as prone as well.

Unfortunatley for the one who don't like this. I'm 100% sure they will become commonplace as voting systems within the next 10 years or so. This country in all as ADD and companies will continuslly use them untill they become mainstream.

http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/evoting.ars
read this article, it will definetly change your mind, the system has absolutely no security in place

 

[misle]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: RichardE
My Atm withdrawl will not decide my life for the next 4 years.

My vote could.

next

Seems to me the problem is not the voting machines. The real problem is having a government with so much power that they get to run your life. Voting machine insecurity is just a distraction from the real issue.

Good point.

Smaller government FTW!

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: techs
Would you use an ATM that didn't give a receipt?
And in case of dispute there would be no way to verify who was right.

So why would you use a voting machine that doesn't give a receipt or have a way to verify your vote was counted accurately?

Just curious.

You need a receipt to show you withdrew money?
Deposits I could understand, but what does a receipt of a withdrawal give you? The bank could always claim there was another withdrawal for which you don't have the receipt...

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Lothar
Yes, I would if it was a "Bank of America" ATM machine.
Chances of getting a dispute? Virtually zilch, nil, none, nada.
I've never had any dispute with Bank of America, and I'll keep using them.

Bad analogy.
I haven't printed the receipts in at least 2-3 years.
I use online banking and know what is in my account everytime.

Your analogy should have been...would you buy an item in a shopping mall for $300 and not take a receipt?
Chances are 1,000,000 : 1 that I'm much more likely to return that item than to find a dispute with an ATM receipt.

And yes, I've already voted by absentee ballot. Can't trust the Deibold machines in Maryland.

*EDITED* to clarify...
I get monthly banking statements and can check anytime I want electronically.
I could care less about printing receipts at an ATM.

Honest question: Would you do business with a bank that has ATMs that do not print out reciepts, don't send you any monthly statements (electronic or paper), and there was no way to verify your balance?

Of course not.

But that wasn't the question asked in the topic.
I don't care about ATM receipts, but I do care about monthly statements and the ability to check my account anytime I feel like it.

Your monthly statements are a form of paper trail, i.e., a way to verify your transactions in the past month.

 

[trenchfoot]

Originally posted by: db
If the machines have glitches or mistakes are made, why are they always in favor of the Republicans?
You would think 50% of the mistakes/glitches would go to each side....

don't ask logical questions such as yours. logic and facts are dangerous obstacles to those with shallow, hardened opinions. it makes these people feel awkward and uncomfortable because it forces them to question their own prejudices.

ergo, questions like yours tend to get ignored in favor of agenda driven innuendo.

edit - spl