Would you support some sort of global initiative to slow population growth

[UglyCasanova]

Let’s say some sort of agreement passed amongst all nations on Earth where free access to birth control and abortions given plus some sort of policy like China's previous one. Maybe two children instead of one (no abortions after the sex is determined unless there is a deformity of life threatening condition to prevent the killing of females) and if you just have one and then sterilized you get a monetary bonus.

Overpopulation is going to drive us to this point eventually anyways and I don’t think it wise to bank on another green revolution to save us. Unfortunately we’ve become addicted to the ponzu schemes of continued growth to fund ourselves so adopting this is going to be very painful to the global economy. There will have to be a cultural shift in many countries to do more multigenerational families under one roof type living rather to help support the elderly.

Anyways do you think population growth is something that humanity needs to be concerned about and if so what solutions would you pursue.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

We are consuming raw materials that cannot be replaced or recycled and even if we could do the latter more people AND more people consuming more as the general trend towards an increased standard of living happens over time. Malthus wasn't entirely wrong concerning what it takes to support a population.

At some point the environment and the things we need breaks down. Then what?

How to do it? Damned if I know.

 

[JSt0rm]

We are consuming raw materials that cannot be replaced or recycled and even if we could do the latter more people AND more people consuming more as the general trend towards an increased standard of living happens over time. Malthus wasn't entirely wrong concerning what it takes to support a population.

At some point the environment and the things we need breaks down. Then what?

How to do it? Damned if I know.

too hard. world dead.

 

[sandorski]

Birth Control and Abortion Access, yes. Laws limiting children, no.

 

[UglyCasanova]

We'll convince ourselves that populating Mars is the answer and foolishly pursue that so that we don’t have to turn down the faucet here on Earth, but it’s an entirely unrealistic goal given today’s tech. People are easily sold on bad ideas though.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Birth Control and Abortion Access, yes. Laws limiting children, no.

Why not the laws limiting children, that would be an integral part I would think. It helped China’s runaway growth.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Why not the laws limiting children, that would be an integral part I would think. It helped China’s runaway growth.

As with any law, it needs to be enforceable.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Why wouldn’t it be enforceable?

 

[ivwshane]

Population growth will take care of itself as countries and regions get on par with 1st world countries. Therefore I support policies which enable that to happen faster rather than later.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Why wouldn’t it be enforceable?

How do you enforce it? Best way is mandatory contraception, but how does one make that happen? Do you arrest violators? Take their children over the limit?

If the world was a rational place people would limit their offspring to two at least until the population declines to sustainable levels.

God knows we have anything but that.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Population growth will take care of itself as countries and regions get on par with 1st world countries. Therefore I support policies which enable that to happen faster rather than later.

Nope. We're ALREADY past sustainability.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Who the hell is going to take care of you OP when you're shitting your pants every day and you have to be fed through a test tube?

Hint: If we start limiting reproduction much more there wont be anyone left to do that.

 

[UglyCasanova]

How do you enforce it? Best way is mandatory contraception, but how does one make that happen? Do you arrest violators? Take their children over the limit?

If the world was a rational place people would limit their offspring to two at least until the population declines to sustainable levels.

God knows we have anything but that.

Yeah it’s not going to be easy. China enforced it though (controlling bribes and corruption around it was another story). As unpalatable as it sounds humanity is a cancer, it just keeps growing and consuming. We can’t keep going like this, tough decisions eventually will have to be made. Knowing us we’ll wait until it’s too late though.

Reminds me of the Moties for anyone who ever read The Mote in Gods Eye

 

[UglyCasanova]

Who the hell is going to take care of you OP when you're shitting your pants every day and you have to be fed through a Taft est tube?

Hint: If we start limiting reproduction much more there wont be anyone left to do that.

Like I said there will hav3 to be a shift to multigenerational households.

 

[IronWing]

Performance bonds for parenting should do the trick.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yeah it’s not going to be easy. China enforced it though (controlling bribes and corruption around it was another story). As unpalatable as it sounds humanity is a cancer, it just keeps growing and consuming. We can’t keep going like this, tough decisions eventually will have to be made. Knowing us we’ll wait until it’s too late though.

Reminds me of the Moties for anyone who ever read The Mote in Gods Eye

The Moties were able to rebuild but once things are used up then that's the end. The population reverts to an agrarian society and the population becomes self-limiting until extinction. That's one possibility for our own Great Filter.

 

[MrSquished]

I'm doing my part. Not interested in having kids and got my fiance on board with that.

 

[sandorski]

Why not the laws limiting children, that would be an integral part I would think. It helped China’s runaway growth.

Freedom, bitch.

More srs answer-----Merely providing birth control will be enough to drastically lower birth rates. There's no need to jump to the most drastic action.

 

[ivwshane]

Nope. We're ALREADY past sustainability.

Well then by all means, you can support genocide to get back to sustainability and I'll continue supporting raising the living standards throughout the world.

The OP's question, just in case you missed it, was about population growth. Sustainability, while related is a different issue.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Freedom, bitch.

More srs answer-----Merely providing birth control will be enough to drastically lower birth rates. There's no need to jump to the most drastic action.

As long as it's enough to make the population go into decline. People get caught up in energy and food but they're easy. Of course, more food and energy lead to more people and I don't see contraception doing what's needed. We might get lucky with an asteroid strike or plague or something. Yeah that sucks.

 

[sandorski]

As long as it's enough to make the population go into decline. People get caught up in energy and food but they're easy. Of course, more food and energy lead to more people and I don't see contraception doing what's needed. We might get lucky with an asteroid strike or plague or something. Yeah that sucks.

I'll stick with my original answer.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Well then by all means, you can support genocide to get back to sustainability and I'll continue supporting raising the living standards throughout the world.

The whole point though is that you can’t keep raising it forever, with finite resources decline in living standards is inevitable. Given that the only way around it is to bring population down to a sustainable level (whatever that might be, I’d argue significantly less that our current world population).

 

[ivwshane]

As long as it's enough to make the population go into decline. People get caught up in energy and food but they're easy. Of course, more food and energy lead to more people and I don't see contraception doing what's needed. We might get lucky with an asteroid strike or plague or something. Yeah that sucks.

I'm calling bullshit on that claim.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well then by all means, you can support genocide to get back to sustainability and I'll continue supporting raising the living standards throughout the world.

The OP's question, just in case you missed it, was about population growth. Sustainability, while related is a different issue.

Try that without the necessary components to do that. Genocide, dumbass? That wasn't even in the cards for discussion, well until you showed up.

If you had any understanding of the science, living standards can be improved and no one has suggested that should happen but increased living standards equals an increase of consumption of materials. Sustainability is directly related to population and if you want to maintain an increased standard the population will need to decrease. You think the OP is worried about being unable to count beyond a certain number? I think not.

 

[UglyCasanova]