not even going to bother reading this thread but I'm sure its a bunch of religous biggots saying how its against god and all this other crap. One of the reasons this country was created was because people wanted to live thier own damn life the way they want. thats why thier seperation of church and state. I have not heard one argument against gay marrage besides "its against my such and such religion" or something to do with tradition and how its always been so it always should.
Even if thiers a god your not going to go to hell because some gays get married? Its thier own damn choice and I think we should just legalize it and be done with it.
Even if thiers a god your not going to go to hell because some gays get married? Its thier own damn choice and I think we should just legalize it and be done with it.
ahh come now....I'd prefer all the ugly chicks turned lesbo that way thier would only be hotties for us men
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I support same-sex couples being legally recognized by the state and given the same rights and recognition as those who are married.
I do not think it should be associated with or called marriage. It should not have any religious connections like marriage does and both things should not be given the same label.
Seperate church and state, but God is not church and if God intended for homosexuals to be here I believe they would have been able to have children without external help. I will never support gay marriage but I will also never support treating them as less than equals. That said, I do not believe that their 'marriages' should be tied into religion as other marriages are supposed to be. This does not imply that I believe all marriages today are tied into religion. I disagree with many of the 'marry the midget' etc marriages that happen on TV and think they are more disgraceful than those of homosexual couples. At least homosexual couples love each other and truly believe in what they are doing; it has nothing to do with network pressure and the rush of the moment because they're being watched by the nation.
I do not think it should be associated with or called marriage. It should not have any religious connections like marriage does and both things should not be given the same label.
Seperate church and state, but God is not church and if God intended for homosexuals to be here I believe they would have been able to have children without external help. I will never support gay marriage but I will also never support treating them as less than equals. That said, I do not believe that their 'marriages' should be tied into religion as other marriages are supposed to be. This does not imply that I believe all marriages today are tied into religion. I disagree with many of the 'marry the midget' etc marriages that happen on TV and think they are more disgraceful than those of homosexual couples. At least homosexual couples love each other and truly believe in what they are doing; it has nothing to do with network pressure and the rush of the moment because they're being watched by the nation.
Why is it when someone makes an argument based in religion everyone bashes that person? Just because you don't agree with their beliefs doesn't mean they are wrong, you can be just as wrong. And you neglected to say another reason this country was created was for religious freedom. Taking the religious stance here - My religion says it's bad, but I don't want to beat it into anyone, I practice acceptance and understanding. But now someone calls me a Bigot because I have beliefs and try to live a good life by those beliefs.
I'd be curious of the Christians. Do you think a married gay couple could live a life examplified by Jesus? Do you think they could follow Jesus' teachings? Do you think they could be good people? Do you think they would get into your heaven? Do you think God/Peter/Whoever would stand before them and say, you treated your enemies as family, you kept your door open for everyone, you treated even the lowest like kings, but you got the sex thing all wrong, I'm sorry you are going to hell.
Sometimes I don't understand Christians and the way they like to build walls around everything. High fences to keep others out. Would Jesus have kept anyone out? Didn't he walk among social outcasts and lepers? Were he here today, would he walk along gays?
Sometimes, as an athiest, I think I understand Christianity better than Christians. But that is probably why I don't need it as much as some of you.
Sometimes I don't understand Christians and the way they like to build walls around everything. High fences to keep others out. Would Jesus have kept anyone out? Didn't he walk among social outcasts and lepers? Were he here today, would he walk along gays?
Sometimes, as an athiest, I think I understand Christianity better than Christians. But that is probably why I don't need it as much as some of you
.Originally posted by: skace
I'd be curious of the Christians. Do you think a married gay couple could live a life examplified by Jesus? Do you think they could follow Jesus' teachings? Do you think they could be good people? Do you think they would get into your heaven? Do you think God/Peter/Whoever would stand before them and say, you treated your enemies as family, you kept your door open for everyone, you treated even the lowest like kings, but you got the sex thing all wrong, I'm sorry you are going to hell.
Sometimes I don't understand Christians and the way they like to build walls around everything. High fences to keep others out. Would Jesus have kept anyone out? Didn't he walk among social outcasts and lepers? Were he here today, would he walk along gays?
Sometimes, as an athiest, I think I understand Christianity better than Christians. But that is probably why I don't need it as much as some of you
i think there are often too many threads of the same topic going at the same time.
i will answer your questions the best i can.Do you think a married gay couple could live a life exemplified by Jesus?
- No. none of us can. Jesus Christ lived a perfect life. are any of us perfect? no.
Do you think they could follow Jesus' teachings?
- Not all of them, especially they intend to keep on living their sinful lifestyle. Jesus forgave the adulterous woman that was caught for her sexual sin but told her, "Go and sin no more." (sin no more as in the context of her sexual sin, not no more sin absolutely since thats impossible)
Do you think God/Peter/Whoever would stand before them and say, you treated your enemies as family, you kept your door open for everyone, you treated even the lowest like kings, but you got the sex thing all wrong, I'm sorry you are going to hell.
- If you consider yourself a Christian but don't trust in God and put your faith in Jesus Christ, not just a verbal "i believe," then you seriously need to chiggity check yoself before you wriggity-wreck yoself.
anyone that hasn't placed their trust in Jesus Christ is going to hell. it doesn't matter how good you are. i think that's the misconception of Christianity. it's not a do-good-works and win salvation type of religion. it's simpler than that. perhaps that's what confuses most people.Jesus loved sinners. That doesn't mean he condoned their sin.
Yea, I didn't see that one right away... but this one has enough christian retiric to be on topic.Originally posted by: udonoogen
i think there are often too many threads of the same topic going at the same time.
Huh? Catholic school taught me to live as Jesus did. By that I mean follow his teachings. You don't need to be perfect to know that you should do unto others as you would have done unto you.
Did Jesus ever draw a parallel between gay people and the adulterous woman?
Well, I don't consider myself a Christian that is why I entertained the belief that most people have. I will withhold my understanding of it all for the sake of going very far off topic.If you consider yourself a Christian but don't trust in God and put your faith in Jesus Christ, not just a verbal "i believe," then you seriously need to chiggity check yoself before you wriggity-wreck yoself.
I placed gays with lepers and outcasts. You place them with sinners.
Originally posted by: skace
I'd be curious of the Christians. Do you think a married gay couple could live a life examplified by Jesus? Do you think they could follow Jesus' teachings? Do you think they could be good people? Do you think they would get into your heaven? Do you think God/Peter/Whoever would stand before them and say, you treated your enemies as family, you kept your door open for everyone, you treated even the lowest like kings, but you got the sex thing all wrong, I'm sorry you are going to hell.
Sometimes I don't understand Christians and the way they like to build walls around everything. High fences to keep others out. Would Jesus have kept anyone out? Didn't he walk among social outcasts and lepers? Were he here today, would he walk along gays?
Sometimes, as an athiest, I think I understand Christianity better than Christians. But that is probably why I don't need it as much as some of you
They would have to truly repent their sins. It is all or nothing. They must follow all of God's words, not just some. They must realize that they lived their life in sin and repent.
Originally posted by: skace
Yea, I didn't see that one right away... but this one has enough christian retiric to be on topic.Originally posted by: udonoogen
i think there are often too many threads of the same topic going at the same time.
Huh? Catholic school taught me to live as Jesus did. By that I mean follow his teachings. You don't need to be perfect to know that you should do unto others as you would have done unto you.
Did Jesus ever draw a parallel between gay people and the adulterous woman?
Well, I don't consider myself a Christian that is why I entertained the belief that most people have. I will withhold my understanding of it all for the sake of going very far off topic.If you consider yourself a Christian but don't trust in God and put your faith in Jesus Christ, not just a verbal "i believe," then you seriously need to chiggity check yoself before you wriggity-wreck yoself.
I placed gays with lepers and outcasts. You place them with sinners.
the life exemplified by Jesus was one of perfection. we can't live a perfect life although we are called to live a life that tries to. there's a subtle difference that probably confused you more than helped you. sorry for that. that's what i meant.
following the teachings of Jesus as a moral code won't save you. only daily trusting Him with your life, holistically drawing from the Bible as the Word will get you saved. theres a lot more to the Bible than the synoptic gospels. in fact Paul addresses homosexuality in the new testament. that's been mentioned in this thread already so i wont rehash that.
what i was trying to illustrate with the adulterous woman was that it was a lifestyle change. perpetuating a sinful lifestyle does not evidence a life that has been dedicated to trusting in Christ.
we're all sinners. homosexuals, you, me, etc. calling homosexuals sinners does not make me any less of a sinner. i'm not resorting to namecalling.
Don't forget we are trying to interpret divine inspiration with a human mind. The statement of one who does good deeds and lives a good life by themselves and by others but doesn't accept Jesus into their lives is doomed for eternity in the fiery pits of this thread doesn't sit well with me. We are human, we can only process a minute fraction of what Truth is. Your belief in Christianity is based on what you were taught through your parent, teachers, priest and so on. You live your life "perfectly" (as perfect as a human can be) by those teachings. But consider this, what of the Muslim in Iraq who grew up the same way but with different teachings. You convince him, he convince you. His mind processes his teachings as truth, you process yours as truth with your mind. Who is right? You, he? Are either of you less perfect, less human? Bring that down, A homosexual feels that gender isn't an obstacle to love. He/she loves their partner as much as you love yours. Who is wrong. I believe when we go to be judged we will be asked again, do you accept what you now see? Then, with our earthly imperfections removed we can choose.
ha, I'd like to see a "real" hot lesbian.. all the ones I've ever meat are UGLY
ohh yeah, when did it become a "PUBLIC" issue to talk about sex? Isnt that a private matter that should stay out of the public sector?
But can you prove the Bible is not accurate??? Every time people have tried to prove the Bible to be wrong or inaccurate the only thing shown is the Bible is correct. Do a google search and you will find enough there to ponder your mind for the weeks to come.
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dude, I really feel sorry for you, I really do. Check out a book called the "five gospels". I would say more but I am going home to do some sinning..
but before I go... CORPORATE MOFO on the gay agenda
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