Would you support military force against Iran...

2Xtreme21

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Granted, one can't argue that the US isn't the strongest proponent of action against Iran, but these recent talks about Iran pulling out of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty has the UN as a whole alarmed. Would you be more supportive of a collective NATO (or similar organization) military effort against Iran than you would of a US alone invasion?

I think I would be a lot more supporting of an effort led by someone other than the US. I couldn't be more against Iraq, but having the international community as a whole decide what is best for Iran would be more to my liking.

Thoughts?
 

EatSpam

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I don't support getting involved in a war against Iran, period. No threats to the United States exist. Invading Iran would send oil prices through the roof. Bad idea, no matter who is selling it.
 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The EU generally causes genocides. No thanks.

Look, its Mr. "The world was a paradise and a utopia with no crime an no war, until the evil Europeans showed up." :roll:
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The EU generally causes genocides. No thanks.

Look, its Mr. "The world was a paradise and a utopia with no crime an no war, until the evil Europeans showed up." :roll:

Link to me saying that. :roll:

As long as we're making stuff up: Look, it's Mr. "Hitler shall return and rid this Earth of all undesirables!"
 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: EatSpam
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
The EU generally causes genocides. No thanks.

Look, its Mr. "The world was a paradise and a utopia with no crime an no war, until the evil Europeans showed up." :roll:

Link to me saying that. :roll:

As long as we're making stuff up: Look, it's Mr. "Hitler shall return and rid this Earth of all undesirables!"

Every time there is a thread about Europe, you bash Europe and Europeans. An example of which is in this thread.
 

IdioticBuffoon

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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Just leave em the hell alone.

:thumbsup: x 10

Why do you guys keep making these threads? Iran hasn't DONE anything wrong. Guilty before committing the crime ... is that an American tradition? Bomb the living daylights out of anyone who doesn't agree with you ... is THAT an all-American concept?

Sheesh!
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: IdioticBuffoon
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Just leave em the hell alone.

:thumbsup: x 10

Why do you guys keep making these threads? Iran hasn't DONE anything wrong. Guilty before committing the crime ... is that an American tradition? Bomb the living daylights out of anyone who doesn't agree with you ... is THAT an all-American concept?

Sheesh!


No, just a Republican concept... ;)
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: IdioticBuffoon
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Just leave em the hell alone.

:thumbsup: x 10

Why do you guys keep making these threads? Iran hasn't DONE anything wrong. Guilty before committing the crime ... is that an American tradition? Bomb the living daylights out of anyone who doesn't agree with you ... is THAT an all-American concept?

Sheesh!


No, just a Republican concept... ;)

*Cough* Vietnam *Cough*
*Cough* Korea *Cough*


 

linkgoron

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Originally posted by: IdioticBuffoon
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Just leave em the hell alone.

:thumbsup: x 10

Why do you guys keep making these threads? Iran hasn't DONE anything wrong. Guilty before committing the crime ... is that an American tradition? Bomb the living daylights out of anyone who doesn't agree with you ... is THAT an all-American concept?

Sheesh!

So basically, you shouldn't arrest someone that threats to kill a person, because he hasn't done anything.
 

IdioticBuffoon

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Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: IdioticBuffoon
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Just leave em the hell alone.

:thumbsup: x 10

Why do you guys keep making these threads? Iran hasn't DONE anything wrong. Guilty before committing the crime ... is that an American tradition? Bomb the living daylights out of anyone who doesn't agree with you ... is THAT an all-American concept?

Sheesh!

So basically, you shouldn't arrest someone that threats to kill a person, because he hasn't done anything.

Iran has threatened to "kill" whom?
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: IdioticBuffoon
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Just leave em the hell alone.

:thumbsup: x 10

Why do you guys keep making these threads? Iran hasn't DONE anything wrong. Guilty before committing the crime ... is that an American tradition? Bomb the living daylights out of anyone who doesn't agree with you ... is THAT an all-American concept?

Sheesh!


No, just a Republican concept... ;)

*Cough* Vietnam *Cough*
*Cough* Korea *Cough*

*Cough* Everyone knows today's GOP was YESTERDAY's Democrats *Cough*

:laugh:

(wouldn't be funny if it weren't partially true)

 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: IdioticBuffoon
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: IdioticBuffoon
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Just leave em the hell alone.

:thumbsup: x 10

Why do you guys keep making these threads? Iran hasn't DONE anything wrong. Guilty before committing the crime ... is that an American tradition? Bomb the living daylights out of anyone who doesn't agree with you ... is THAT an all-American concept?

Sheesh!

So basically, you shouldn't arrest someone that threats to kill a person, because he hasn't done anything.

Iran has threatened to "kill" whom?

Israel for one. I know there was some other stuff about the US, but I can't recall if it was direct threats.


Edit: btw, did anyone see the speech by Blair today? I caught a bit and he was basically saying the Iranian leader is a nutjob.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: EatSpam

Every time there is a thread about Europe, you bash Europe and Europeans. An example of which is in this thread.

So? I don't see how that leads to your previous statement. People bash Bush, US, the United Nations, etc. all the time. But because some criticizes Europe, they must be wrong! I don't believe in this Eurosupremacist view where Europe cannot be criticized.

 

EatSpam

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: EatSpam

Every time there is a thread about Europe, you bash Europe and Europeans. An example of which is in this thread.

So? I don't see how that leads to your previous statement. People bash Bush, US, the United Nations, etc. all the time. But because some criticizes Europe, they must be wrong! I don't believe in this Eurosupremacist view where Europe cannot be criticized.

Criticise European governmental policies all you want. Talk about flaws in their society. Fine. But saying "The EU generally causes genocides." is essentially saying that Europe and its people are all supporters of genocide, which I highly doubt is the case.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Granted, one can't argue that the US isn't the strongest proponent of action against Iran, but these recent talks about Iran pulling out of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty has the UN as a whole alarmed. Would you be more supportive of a collective NATO (or similar organization) military effort against Iran than you would of a US alone invasion?

I think I would be a lot more supporting of an effort led by someone other than the US. I couldn't be more against Iraq, but having the international community as a whole decide what is best for Iran would be more to my liking.

Thoughts?

Obviously more supportive, yes. But we don't want another Iraq nor can we afford to entirely ignore public threats that Iran has made. If you want to play the game, we're gonna blow you up just as soon as we can, you can't expect others to wait for you to get there. What we say, regardless of how insane, has to be considered. One may in fact be insane. Against the madness of others one has a right of self defense. The trick is knowing what is real threat and what is ones own paranoia.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: EatSpam

Criticise European governmental policies all you want. Talk about flaws in their society. Fine. But saying "The EU generally causes genocides." is essentially saying that Europe and its people are all supporters of genocide, which I highly doubt is the case.

No it's not.
 

HardWarrior

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Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Granted, one can't argue that the US isn't the strongest proponent of action against Iran, but these recent talks about Iran pulling out of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty has the UN as a whole alarmed. Would you be more supportive of a collective NATO (or similar organization) military effort against Iran than you would of a US alone invasion?

Would you continue on as an NPT signatore if you were Iran? No, I wouldn't support any military action against Iran without seeing proof that they are a varifiabe threat against the US.

I think I would be a lot more supporting of an effort led by someone other than the US. I couldn't be more against Iraq, but having the international community as a whole decide what is best for Iran would be more to my liking.

The international community can, has, and will be wrong on many issues. The Iranian's should be able to do whatever they feel is in their best interest as long as it doesn't screw anyone else. The US expects its rights as a sovereign nation (and more). Why shouldn't other countries feel the same way?
 

ShinGouki

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To CanOWorms

From wikipedia
The European Union (EU) is an intergovernmental and supranational union of 25 democratic member states from the European continent. The European Union was established under that name in 1992 by the Treaty on European Union (the Maastricht Treaty).

So urm which genocides was it that the EU has caused since 1992. And I assume you actually mean caused and not *could / should have prevented*.

As a European Citizen I'm curious to know ;).
 

2Xtreme21

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Originally posted by: HardWarrior

I think I would be a lot more supporting of an effort led by someone other than the US. I couldn't be more against Iraq, but having the international community as a whole decide what is best for Iran would be more to my liking.

The international community can, has, and will be wrong on many issues. The Iranian's should be able to do whatever they feel is in their best interest as long as it doesn't screw anyone else. The US expects its rights as a sovereign nation (and more). Why shouldn't other countries feel the same way?

I agree the Iranians should be able to continue seeking their nuclear ambitions for civilian use. However, my point is I'd much rather trust a collective international decision rather than a dumbya "9/11 9/11 terror terror WMD WMD" decision.
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: ShinGouki
To CanOWorms

From wikipedia
The European Union (EU) is an intergovernmental and supranational union of 25 democratic member states from the European continent. The European Union was established under that name in 1992 by the Treaty on European Union (the Maastricht Treaty).

So urm which genocides was it that the EU has caused since 1992. And I assume you actually mean caused and not *could / should have prevented*.

As a European Citizen I'm curious to know ;).

I mean cause, promote, aid, etc. in genocides. Examples are the Rwanda genocide, Sudan, starvation in Niger, etc. If we expand it beyond genocide to crimes against humanity and other atrocities then the list gets larger. Several European countries are actively involved in genocides and colonialism.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Granted, one can't argue that the US isn't the strongest proponent of action against Iran, but these recent talks about Iran pulling out of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty has the UN as a whole alarmed. Would you be more supportive of a collective NATO (or similar organization) military effort against Iran than you would of a US alone invasion?

I think I would be a lot more supporting of an effort led by someone other than the US. I couldn't be more against Iraq, but having the international community as a whole decide what is best for Iran would be more to my liking.

Thoughts?

Sanctions? Perhaps. Invasion? No reason to.
 

IdioticBuffoon

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: IdioticBuffoon
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: IdioticBuffoon
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Just leave em the hell alone.

:thumbsup: x 10

Why do you guys keep making these threads? Iran hasn't DONE anything wrong. Guilty before committing the crime ... is that an American tradition? Bomb the living daylights out of anyone who doesn't agree with you ... is THAT an all-American concept?

Sheesh!

So basically, you shouldn't arrest someone that threats to kill a person, because he hasn't done anything.

Iran has threatened to "kill" whom?

Israel for one.

May I see a reference please?
 

2Xtreme21

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Originally posted by: IdioticBuffoon
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: IdioticBuffoon
Originally posted by: linkgoron
Originally posted by: IdioticBuffoon
Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Just leave em the hell alone.

:thumbsup: x 10

Why do you guys keep making these threads? Iran hasn't DONE anything wrong. Guilty before committing the crime ... is that an American tradition? Bomb the living daylights out of anyone who doesn't agree with you ... is THAT an all-American concept?

Sheesh!

So basically, you shouldn't arrest someone that threats to kill a person, because he hasn't done anything.

Iran has threatened to "kill" whom?

Israel for one.

May I see a reference please?

"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map"

(Edit: I suck at linking)