Would you hold someone accountable

[TechBoyJK]

Discussing something here with coworkers.

Say you invite a friend over for a party. He doesn't drink often now, is a good samaritan, etc. Granted, he's drank enough in the past to know his limits and stays within those, thinking he'll only get pretty tipsy and not stupid drunk. He has a few beers and does a few shots. Unexpectedly, He gets soooo drunk that he completely forgets where he is at, can't stand up straight, then stumbles over to a plant and takes a leak in the pot it is in.

Do you get mad at him for being rude enough to pee in a plant, or do you look past that, realize it's something he would have never done if he was sober and would know better if he was sober, actually, he would know better if he was drunk, just not black out drunk.

I'd personally still be upset and want the guy to pay for any damages he did, but I wouldn't mark it against him personally..

What says you?

 

[Crono]

Don't get drunk next time

 

[Jeeebus]

This is a fairly specific hypothetical...

 

[MikeMike]

atleast he pissed in the fucking plant, and not a fold out chair, or the couch, or the floor...

just be careful as that amount of piss probably will kill the plant.

 

[Doboji]

If he was a respectful upright person he'd be embarassed, very apologetic, and he'd offer to do whatever he could to make up for his transgression... if he's not... he's probably not worth continuing a friendship with.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Discussing something here with coworkers.

Say you invite a friend over for a party. He doesn't drink often now, is a good samaritan, etc. Granted, he's drank enough in the past to know his limits and stays within those, thinking he'll only get pretty tipsy and not stupid drunk. He has a few beers and does a few shots. Unexpectedly, He gets soooo drunk that he completely forgets where he is at, can't stand up straight, then stumbles over to a plant and takes a leak in the pot it is in.

Do you get mad at him for being rude enough to pee in a plant, or do you look past that, realize it's something he would have never done if he was sober and would know better if he was sober, actually, he would know better if he was drunk, just not black out drunk.

I'd personally still be upset and want the guy to pay for any damages he did, but I wouldn't mark it against him personally..

What says you?

How much did the botanist charge to nurse your plant back to health?

I'm sure I'd be annoyed, but just get back at the guy by making fun of him until the end of time.

KT

 

[eldorado99]

Pay for damages? He pissed in a plant...

 

[SearchMaster]

I have a buddy/former roommate who used to get drunk and piss wherever/whenever. He pissed in another guy's laundry basket, and I heard a noise one night and he was pissing on the bath mat/floor in my bathroom.

I don't excuse behavior for drunkenness necessarily but I never saw it as a big deal. He always cleaned up the next day

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Jeeebus
This is a fairly specific hypothetical...

trying to recite the story i was given. Basically, if someone didn't go out to get black out drunk, but ended up that way, either by taking a shot of something they didn't expect to be so strong, or maybe having mixed medications and forgot about it.. Would you still hold them accountable for something they did while black out drunk? It's different if someone knowingly went out and got smashed and did something stupid.

 

[sutahz]

Yes you should be mad at him and bring it up. If he's forgotten his limit on alcohol he needs to be reminded.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: SearchMaster
I have a buddy/former roommate who used to get drunk and piss wherever/whenever. He pissed in another guy's laundry basket, and I heard a noise one night and he was pissing on the bath mat/floor in my bathroom.

I don't excuse behavior for drunkenness necessarily but I never saw it as a big deal. He always cleaned up the next day

yea, but what if it was a guy you knew to never get drunk like that or do things like that, and it was out of character to be that drunk? Would you excuse his behavior? Especially if he wasn't planning to be that drunk.

 

[thescreensavers]

Did he piss on the rug? did it tie the room together? is your name "The Dude" if yes then, yes I will be mad

 

[meltdown75]

i can't comment. i have a buddy that pisses in weird places when he's drunk...

do i get upset....... nah. well... except for the one time he pissed on my rug in the middle of the night without even knowing.

he probably should be wearing Depends when he is drinking that much...

but it hasn't happened in a while.

 

[FoBoT]

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hanson...ersies/1048596839.html

So it isn't simply a case of "the alcohol made me do it." Researchers at the University of Waterloo in Ontario asked volunteers to press a button when prompted by a computer screen. They were also instructed not to press it if a red light also appeared. Those who were given alcohol were more likely to press the button in spite of the red light, just as a drunk is more likely to punch someone even if told to stop.

However, when drinkers were offered a small reward, they performed as well as sober volunteers. The researchers conclude that people who have been drinking can control their behavior if they want to. 2

Because alcohol doesn't cause bad behavior it isn't a legitimate excuse for such behavior.

In short, bad behavior isn't the fault of the alcohol but of the person.

 

[Udgnim]

yes

getting drunk is a choice and there are many consequences to that choice

 

[I Saw OJ]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Discussing something here with coworkers.

Say you invite a friend over for a party. He doesn't drink often now, is a good samaritan, etc. Granted, he's drank enough in the past to know his limits and stays within those, thinking he'll only get pretty tipsy and not stupid drunk. He has a few beers and does a few shots. Unexpectedly, He gets soooo drunk that he completely forgets where he is at, can't stand up straight, then stumbles over to a plant and takes a leak in the pot it is in.

Do you get mad at him for being rude enough to pee in a plant, or do you look past that, realize it's something he would have never done if he was sober and would know better if he was sober, actually, he would know better if he was drunk, just not black out drunk.

I'd personally still be upset and want the guy to pay for any damages he did, but I wouldn't mark it against him personally..

What says you?

How much did the botanist charge to nurse your plant back to health?

I'm sure I'd be annoyed, but just get back at the guy by making fun of him until the end of time.

KT

This.

If it was my plant it wouldnt have been alive much longer, piss or no piss.

 

[gorcorps]

As long as they make up for it and replace damages, I won't be mad for too long.

 

[vi edit]

It's a party. And a plant. If that's the worse that happened be happy and move on with your life.

It's not like he took a shit in your kitchen sink or knocked over an urn with your father's ashes in it.

 

[Jeeebus]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Jeeebus
This is a fairly specific hypothetical...

trying to recite the story i was given. Basically, if someone didn't go out to get black out drunk, but ended up that way, either by taking a shot of something they didn't expect to be so strong, or maybe having mixed medications and forgot about it.. Would you still hold them accountable for something they did while black out drunk? It's different if someone knowingly went out and got smashed and did something stupid.

then take it out to the extremes of the spectrum. Lets say he got black out drunk, for whatever reason, and he took a sledge hammer to your walls, drove his car through your garage, gave you surprise buttsecks, ran over a group of Sunday school children, etc. Would you hold him accountable?

I would think yes.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Discussing something here with coworkers.

Say you invite a friend over for a party. He doesn't drink often now, is a good samaritan, etc. Granted, he's drank enough in the past to know his limits and stays within those, thinking he'll only get pretty tipsy and not stupid drunk. He has a few beers and does a few shots. Unexpectedly, He gets soooo drunk that he completely forgets where he is at, can't stand up straight, then stumbles over to a plant and takes a leak in the pot it is in.

Do you get mad at him for being rude enough to pee in a plant, or do you look past that, realize it's something he would have never done if he was sober and would know better if he was sober, actually, he would know better if he was drunk, just not black out drunk.

I'd personally still be upset and want the guy to pay for any damages he did, but I wouldn't mark it against him personally..

What says you?

No I wouldn't be upset but I would razz the hell out of him for it:evil:

 

[mb]

Uh, yeah. Drunk or not it's still his fault. It's not like anyone forced him to drink anything.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Respect is a continuum. If someone has done many, many things to earn my respect over the years, they're going to be far along that continuum; one drunken incident is probably not going to cause me to completely lose respect for that person. However, if it's a casual acquaintance, they aren't so far along the respect continuum, and I'll be less likely to excuse their behavior, drunk or otherwise. In your example, the person sounds like someone I would respect who did one stupid thing; I'd probably tease him for the rest of his life, and we'd laugh together, but I'm not going to stop being friends with him over it.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

If it was a tomato plant - pat him on the back, thank him for the fertilizer, then call him a cab.

 

[DougK62]

Absolutely that person is accountable. If it were me he would be paying for damages and I would think less of that person from then on.

Being drunk is not an excuse for poor behavior.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
Discussing something here with coworkers.

Say you invite a friend over for a party. He doesn't drink often now, is a good samaritan, etc. Granted, he's drank enough in the past to know his limits and stays within those, thinking he'll only get pretty tipsy and not stupid drunk. He has a few beers and does a few shots. Unexpectedly, He gets soooo drunk that he completely forgets where he is at, can't stand up straight, then stumbles over to a plant and takes a leak in the pot it is in.

Do you get mad at him for being rude enough to pee in a plant, or do you look past that, realize it's something he would have never done if he was sober and would know better if he was sober, actually, he would know better if he was drunk, just not black out drunk.

I'd personally still be upset and want the guy to pay for any damages he did, but I wouldn't mark it against him personally..

What says you?

Well, first of I'd probably laugh my ass off..depending on where the plant is located...on the floor yeah....on my kitchen counter....not so much.

Second I would ask him to cover the cost of the plant if it dies it it lives and actually gets better because of it I'd thank him.

Third if he got it anywhere I had to clean it up...the SOB would be detailing my car.

lastly...no, I would not hold it against him in the sense of being angry but you damn well better believe he would never hear the end of it....I would give him a sprig off the plant every year for Christmas just as a reminder.