Would you find this annoying or would you expect it?

[Locut0s]

Currently I work I'm trying to decide whether to take the managers position at my store. I posted about this before here and most said take it. Anyway part of my decision will come down to what salary they will be willing to pay me. I asked for 42k but I learned recently I might have trouble getting that, they usually start new managers out at 40k. I might be able to negotiate 41 or something. Probably because of the poor ass economy (at least that's the excuse they will use), all the stores are down (mine about 5%). My old manager was making 41, senior managers that have been with the company for a long time can make up to 55-60. Anyway they told me I won't really know till the end of March.

Usually new managers that they higher from outside the company have to go through a 3 month training period. That will be waived for me because I've been assistant manager for about 3 1/2 years and already know almost everything. However they still want me to do the 3 month probationary period at a slightly increased salary (35k). Since I've been running the store since January they will count that time and look at the end of March.

I understand the reasoning behind it and I'm not really bothered but it has occurred to me that I'm doing the exact same job for less in the mean time. And since I will partly be basing my decision on the end salary I'm sort of stuck in limbo for a few months.

Would this bother you or would you just expect that kind of thing?

 

[amdhunter]

Wait. So even though you know all the stuff, they want you to take a 3 month "probationary period" where you will make less salary than you do now? What kind of fuckery is that?

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: amdhunter
Wait. So even though you know all the stuff, they want you to take a 3 month "probationary period" where you will make less salary than you do now? What kind of fuckery is that?

No I'm making more during this period than I was before (35 vs about 28) but not as much as the (40-42) I'd be getting with the position.

 

[amdhunter]

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: amdhunter
Wait. So even though you know all the stuff, they want you to take a 3 month "probationary period" where you will make less salary than you do now? What kind of fuckery is that?

No I'm making more during this period than I was before (35 vs about 28) but not as much as the (40-42) I'd be getting with the position.

Oh! Then go for it! It kinda sucks they are putting you through that, but more money is usually a good thing.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

So, they want to avoid giving you the full salary right away? If a new guy who had never worked in the store before were hired, would he make less during this period as well?

 

[Newbian]

Considering they are taking the time you have already ran the store for and you just have to hold out till the end of March it's no biggy.

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
So, they want to avoid giving you the full salary right away? If a new guy who had never worked in the store before were hired, would he make less during this period as well?

Yes he would make what I'm making right now (35). I was making about 28 before as an assistant manager so this IS still an increase. Just not to the full managers salary. The only difference is that the new guy would be spending this time learning the ropes whereas I already know most of the stuff so his 35k/yr would be essentially a training wage while my current 35k is sort of just a holding pattern.

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: Newbian
Considering they are taking the time you have already ran the store for and you just have to hold out till the end of March it's no biggy.

That's the way I'm taking it. Just curious how others would feel.

 

[AreaCode707]

Ask if they would be willing to do a signing or spot bonus when you complete the probationary period. They may not be able to go outside the compensation guidelines for base salary but could possibly have discretion to do a one time payment.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I'd be happy with a 25% raise followed 3 months later by a 15% raise... but I guess I'm just old-fashioned.

 

[Bateluer]

I'd be satisfied with the terms they're giving you. You'd essentially be doing the same job you are now, but with a larger salary, right?

Seeing as how I make less than what you do now, I'd take the terms and the pay raises.

 

[jagec]

Part of being a good manager is good communications skills, particularly in writing.

Allow me to demonstrate.

I am currently trying to decide whether to take a position as a manager at my store. I previously posted about this on ATOT, and most of you advised me to go for it. However, part of my decision will come down to what salary they would be willing to pay me. Originally I asked for $42k, but I recently learned that I might have trouble getting that, as new managers usually start out at $40k. To put this in perspective, my (former? current?) manager was (is?) making $41k, and senior managers that have been with the company for a long time can make up to $55-60k. Because of the poor economy (whether this is an actual reason or a convenient excuse), all of the stores are down (In sales? In salary? In cyberspace?), with my store claiming a loss of about 5%. This, too, could translate into a lower starting salary for new managers. At any rate, they told me that I won't really know till the end of March.

Usually, new managers that are hired from outside the company must go through a 3-month training period. This will be waived for me, because I have been an assistant manager for about 3 1/2 years and already know almost everything about the way that the company is run. However, they still want me to do the 3-month probationary period at a slightly increased salary ($35k). Since I've been running the store since January, they will count that time towards the probationary period, which would then expire at the end of March.

I understand the reasoning behind the lower starting salary, and it doesn't really bother me, but it has occurred to me that I'm doing the exact same job for less during the probationary period. Also, since I will partly be basing my decision on the end salary, I'm more or less stuck in limbo for a few months.

Would this bother you, or would you just expect that kind of thing?

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: jagec
Part of being a good manager is good communications skills, particularly in writing.

Allow me to demonstrate.

I am currently trying to decide whether to take a position as a manager at my store. I previously posted about this on ATOT, and most advised me to go for it. Anyway, part of my decision will come down to what salary they would be willing to pay me. Originally I asked for $42k, but I recently learned that I might have trouble getting that, as new managers usually start out at $40k. To put this is perspective, my (former? current?) manager was (is?) making $41k, and senior managers that have been with the company for a long time can make up to $55-60k. Because of the poor economy (whether this is an actual reason or a convenient excuse), all of the stores are down (In sales? In salary? In cyberspace?), with my store claiming a loss of about 5%. This, too, could translate into a lower starting salary for new managers. At any rate, they told me I won't really know till the end of March.

Usually, new managers that are hired from outside the company must go through a 3-month training period. This will be waived for me, because I have been an assistant manager for about 3 1/2 years and already know almost everything about the way that the company is run. However, they still want me to do the 3-month probationary period at a slightly increased salary ($35k). Since I've been running the store since January, they will count that time towards the probationary period, which would then expire at the end of March.

I understand the reasoning behind the lower starting salary, and it doesn't really bother me, but it has occurred to me that I'm doing the exact same job for less during the probationary period. Also, since I will partly be basing my decision on the end salary, I'm more or less stuck in limbo for a few months.

Would this bother you, or would you just expect that kind of thing?

Wow I didn't know your job description consisted of scrutinizing off topic forum posts for grammatical errors on the part of the mentally handicap. I applaud such work it must be difficult for those who are "special" to understand what is written on internet forums what with the high rate of spelling errors and grammatical inconsistencies. That must be a cushy job, what are they paying you for it?

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: jagec
Part of being a good manager is good communications skills, particularly in writing.

Allow me to demonstrate.

I am currently trying to decide whether to take a position as a manager at my store. I previously posted about this on ATOT, and most advised me to go for it. Anyway, part of my decision will come down to what salary they would be willing to pay me. Originally I asked for $42k, but I recently learned that I might have trouble getting that, as new managers usually start out at $40k. To put this is perspective, my (former? current?) manager was (is?) making $41k, and senior managers that have been with the company for a long time can make up to $55-60k. Because of the poor economy (whether this is an actual reason or a convenient excuse), all of the stores are down (In sales? In salary? In cyberspace?), with my store claiming a loss of about 5%. This, too, could translate into a lower starting salary for new managers. At any rate, they told me I won't really know till the end of March.

Usually, new managers that are hired from outside the company must go through a 3-month training period. This will be waived for me, because I have been an assistant manager for about 3 1/2 years and already know almost everything about the way that the company is run. However, they still want me to do the 3-month probationary period at a slightly increased salary ($35k). Since I've been running the store since January, they will count that time towards the probationary period, which would then expire at the end of March.

I understand the reasoning behind the lower starting salary, and it doesn't really bother me, but it has occurred to me that I'm doing the exact same job for less during the probationary period. Also, since I will partly be basing my decision on the end salary, I'm more or less stuck in limbo for a few months.

Would this bother you, or would you just expect that kind of thing?

Wow I didn't know your job description consisted of scrutinizing off topic forum posts for grammatical errors on the part of the mentally handicap. I applaud such work it must be difficult for those who are "special" to understand what is written on internet forums what with the high rate of spelling errors and grammatical inconsistencies. That must be a cushy job, what are they paying you for it?

They pay me jack, which is where I find the time. That said, it wasn't meant to be a hostile post. But thanks for taking it that way.

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: jagec
Part of being a good manager is good communications skills, particularly in writing.

Allow me to demonstrate.

I am currently trying to decide whether to take a position as a manager at my store. I previously posted about this on ATOT, and most advised me to go for it. Anyway, part of my decision will come down to what salary they would be willing to pay me. Originally I asked for $42k, but I recently learned that I might have trouble getting that, as new managers usually start out at $40k. To put this is perspective, my (former? current?) manager was (is?) making $41k, and senior managers that have been with the company for a long time can make up to $55-60k. Because of the poor economy (whether this is an actual reason or a convenient excuse), all of the stores are down (In sales? In salary? In cyberspace?), with my store claiming a loss of about 5%. This, too, could translate into a lower starting salary for new managers. At any rate, they told me I won't really know till the end of March.

Usually, new managers that are hired from outside the company must go through a 3-month training period. This will be waived for me, because I have been an assistant manager for about 3 1/2 years and already know almost everything about the way that the company is run. However, they still want me to do the 3-month probationary period at a slightly increased salary ($35k). Since I've been running the store since January, they will count that time towards the probationary period, which would then expire at the end of March.

I understand the reasoning behind the lower starting salary, and it doesn't really bother me, but it has occurred to me that I'm doing the exact same job for less during the probationary period. Also, since I will partly be basing my decision on the end salary, I'm more or less stuck in limbo for a few months.

Would this bother you, or would you just expect that kind of thing?

Wow I didn't know your job description consisted of scrutinizing off topic forum posts for grammatical errors on the part of the mentally handicap. I applaud such work it must be difficult for those who are "special" to understand what is written on internet forums what with the high rate of spelling errors and grammatical inconsistencies. That must be a cushy job, what are they paying you for it?

They pay me jack, which is where I find the time. That said, it wasn't meant to be a hostile post. But thanks for taking it that way.

No problem I'm glad to oblige

 

[rgwalt]

I wouldn't sweat the probation period (which would be about 1 month at this point). Thats peanuts. I would try and push for as much salary as possible, but don't shoot yourself in the foot over a small amount of money. Ask for $42K and if they stand firm at $40K, then I wouldn't push much more beyond that. As far as "doing the same job for less during the probation period", I would look at it like you are doing the same job you are doing now as Asst. Manager for more money. It is definitely a win. However, since you are getting retroactive credit for your time so far, see if they will give you retroactive credit for the manager-in-training salary... What would bother me is the "not knowing" until the end of March as to what my full salary would be. However, if you are already doing the job, any additional money and standing would be worth it.