Would you change your religious views

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Sometimes I look at my hand and wonder why it works in the way it works, for me when people say " Evolution, science " as the answer to everything I can't seem to compute...It's seems like's it been thought out.

Then again I dont understand why some people are born only to die or born into a life full of pain...If there is an afterlife is this the admission?

Your argument translates to "I don't understand it, therefore God must have done it."

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
It would be hard to prove that the Christian God, an entity who exists by faith alone, doesn't exist.

It's not our job to prove he doesn't exist, it's his job to prove that he does.

Not according to the Christian religion.

Yes, because they invented a fairy tale and knew it couldn't be proven. Anyone that was sure they had a real omnipotent supreme being would have no trouble asking for and getting evidence of it.

I suppose that if you haven't studied scripture from the Bible and others it would be easy to come to that same thoughtless decision if your going to argue against God in a debate Forum setting . At least know scripture so as to at least know what your debating. The belief in God is Faith Based and I witness testmony. To discredit these people you need to know the Facts.

One fact you may or may not have heard about. I don't know if its true I just kinda except it . Because its the only one thats a fit.

I spoke of the Book of life earlier. The book predates Man and any who lived on earth who go to heaven names are in the book . No names shall be removed from that list.

Ya might ask so What. Their was a War in Heaven . Michial and his Angles fought Luicifier and his Angles.. Now these Angles are still in heaven all of them. The angles who went along with Satan Cried they were decieved. Michial being fair. Than Created everthing Man was special. In some way, Each of us is seeming connected to each of these angles. The Bible hints at this. By giving us the understanding that Michial is Christ as a man (the Living Word). We also know all the anti-Cgrist stuff to . So Satan gets hes shot as a man also, He would be about 27-30 right now.

Some were questioning. Why some are born to the suffering of the flesh. When this war occurred some did not partake they stayed at the alter. Kind like fence walkers. But some still were very special They wouldn't join the fight because they loved GoD so Much they new God didn't want them to fight. These Are Mental retardation people. My flesh cries For them. My soul rejoices in their ignorance.
Michial didn't have to fight for God. God could do his own . That was the argument that got the defeated angles a small reprive befor their asses are thrown out of heaven . It is also why Michial (Christ) and his angles had to endure the suffering of the flesh.

This is why there is a book of life. There are many mystries that if you have the knowledge about. Makes one think .

So if your going to argue against God at least know who it is your dedating against.
You brought a firecracker to a war.

The fact that you're barely able to construct a sentence doesn't help you in making an argument based on circular logic.

 

[DefDC]

I was born Catholic, but now a skeptic. I'm not sure how anyone can prove any modern major religion "wrong". There is nothing tangible to disprove, such as "deadly spirits in the woods". People can scream at the top of their lungs, "God/Allah/Vishu/Buddah Strike me dead, if you dare!" and nothing will happen.

There actually is plenty of physical evidence to prove ancient scriptures wrong already. We already know that rainbows are light waves refracted from raindrops (or other water sources) and most likely are not just "God's promise not to flood the earth". Carbon dating and fossils are proof that earth is much older than 5000 years. It's highly unlikely that Jesus was the "White guy" that we all see in the pictures.

Most religions will just remain silent on these issues. Some are more progressive and accepting as those being "stories" and to look to bigger message. Some will kill you for being a heretic. The mightiest sword for "Peace" has already spoken.

When it comes to religion, people will always try to find a way to manipulate the questions to fit their answer. Religious texts are long winded for a purpose.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: DefDC
There actually is plenty of physical evidence to prove ancient scriptures wrong already. We already know that rainbows are light waves refracted from raindrops (or other water sources) and most likely are not just "God's promise not to flood the earth".

Most of the miracles in the bible aren't meant to be supernatural. Its interesting that the verse about the rainbow comes right after a world wide flood, when the rain stops and the sun is shining - just how rainbows are formed.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
It would be hard to prove that the Christian God, an entity who exists by faith alone, doesn't exist.

It's not our job to prove he doesn't exist, it's his job to prove that he does.

Not according to the Christian religion.

Yes, because they invented a fairy tale and knew it couldn't be proven. Anyone that was sure they had a real omnipotent supreme being would have no trouble asking for and getting evidence of it.

I suppose that if you haven't studied scripture from the Bible and others it would be easy to come to that same thoughtless decision if your going to argue against God in a debate Forum setting . At least know scripture so as to at least know what your debating. The belief in God is Faith Based and I witness testmony. To discredit these people you need to know the Facts.

One fact you may or may not have heard about. I don't know if its true I just kinda except it . Because its the only one thats a fit.

I spoke of the Book of life earlier. The book predates Man and any who lived on earth who go to heaven names are in the book . No names shall be removed from that list.

Ya might ask so What. Their was a War in Heaven . Michial and his Angles fought Luicifier and his Angles.. Now these Angles are still in heaven all of them. The angles who went along with Satan Cried they were decieved. Michial being fair. Than Created everthing Man was special. In some way, Each of us is seeming connected to each of these angles. The Bible hints at this. By giving us the understanding that Michial is Christ as a man (the Living Word). We also know all the anti-Cgrist stuff to . So Satan gets hes shot as a man also, He would be about 27-30 right now.

Some were questioning. Why some are born to the suffering of the flesh. When this war occurred some did not partake they stayed at the alter. Kind like fence walkers. But some still were very special They wouldn't join the fight because they loved GoD so Much they new God didn't want them to fight. These Are Mental retardation people. My flesh cries For them. My soul rejoices in their ignorance.
Michial didn't have to fight for God. God could do his own . That was the argument that got the defeated angles a small reprive befor their asses are thrown out of heaven . It is also why Michial (Christ) and his angles had to endure the suffering of the flesh.

This is why there is a book of life. There are many mystries that if you have the knowledge about. Makes one think .

So if your going to argue against God at least know who it is your dedating against.
You brought a firecracker to a war.

Wow, you're the perfect religious believer. Utterly brainwashed to the point where you can spout paragraph after paragraph of mindless drivel without offering anything of substance. Hell, add a few more thees and thous and you could be the bible itself. You're reciting a big book of fairy tales as if the words have substance. They don't. You can change it all to The Cat in the Hat and it will carry just as much weight. I will not like men in the sky, because they're useless, my oh my.

Your religion is based on faith because it has nothing to offer except smoke and mirrors. Faith is all you have. The contention of us folks with brains (read that as atheists) is if there was an omnipotent cosmic muffin he'd be able to prove himself. Any god that supposedly cared about his followers would show up once in a while to protect them. He'd appear on TV once a week to say "Look, I'm here!". He'd do something. That's the whole point of omnipotence. He could run things properly and still have time to molest all the little boys he wants. But go ahead, keep quoting your fairy tales as if that somehow makes them real.

Lo, and on the first day the Cat said: Let there be Thing 1 and Thing 2.

Keep repeating that and 1000 years from now it can be a religion. That's how yours started.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: DefDC
There actually is plenty of physical evidence to prove ancient scriptures wrong already. We already know that rainbows are light waves refracted from raindrops (or other water sources) and most likely are not just "God's promise not to flood the earth".

Most of the miracles in the bible aren't meant to be supernatural. Its interesting that the verse about the rainbow comes right after a world wide flood, when the rain stops and the sun is shining - just how rainbows are formed.

Truely it says in the bible that this was a sign to man a covenent with God. Your right a rainbow is natural occurance after a shower. But in your understanding of that . You missed out on understanding what preflood earth was like. Man had never seen rain befor or a blue sky. Thats is further shown to be fact , In the story of the first drunk. Up until than Wine was like grape drink. After the flood wine firmintated in the son.

Now in the story you spoke to. THe eye witness account is all that matters,

THe Dogma of that story is this. It was a sign from God and a covenent that God would never desroy the earth in this manner.

How do we know thats dogma . You pointed it out plain as day. Rainbows are naturually occurring unless you have never seen one befor . Than its magic. SO that makes it dogma.
Its still important tho because it tells us it never rained befor. Its clues like these that help one undertand. What it was that Moses was telling us here. Even tho these events predate Moses . It was Moses who penned it. There are books the Hebrews and Ceaser didn't put into the Bible because it didn't fit their agenda.

Its all so confusing but the true is theri ya just have to find it.

The only way it seems we can understand this . Would be an extinction event. The Earth afterwards be a much differant place. Most these events follow a timeline. Thats also needed in the time of knowledge to overcome the coming event.

People areconstantly looking for holes in the bible scriptures. LOL . There are holes big enough to drive a mach truck threw.

Moses on the story of Noeh says man and the sons of God engaged in alsorts of un holy things . I believe drunkiness was one of these. Yet Moses latter in the story talks about the firmintation of wine after the Flood. Moses didn't lie someone may have interpeted wrong or moses just missed up , Which is understand able. Because Moses was considered the first auther according to hebrew. Thats not to say that Scripture isn't written that predates moses because there is . They just didn't like it.Because it took power from the priest. or holy men

 

[uli2000]

Originally posted by: Alone
Since I have no religious beliefs, someone would have to come and prove there was a God. I would welcome that.

Since I have religious beliefs, someone would have to come and prove there was no God. I would welcome that. Something tells me, though, that neither of us will be changing our views anytime soon.

 

[uli2000]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Shadow Conception
I would believe in God if somebody showed me unmistakable, undoubtedly true proof.

God either exists, or doesn't, and no amount of belief will change that. If God were proven to exist, you wouldn't "believe in God", you would just accept the fact of God's existence and there would be no point in "belief" or faith.

Christianity (and most other religions) require faith because they're essentially based on nothing other than made-up ideas.

Do you have a brain? Have you ever seen it? How do you know its there? CT scan or MRI? Those dont count, thats just a picture, doesnt prove you have a brain. Heck, it may not be real, or may be someone else's brain. So you live by faith that you have a brain.

Do I believe in God? Yes. Have I ever seen him? No. But how can I know he is there? Ive seen miricles and been touched by his Holy Spirit. So I live by faith that there is a God.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
Truely it says in the bible that this was a sign to man a covenent with God. Your right a rainbow is natural occurance after a shower. But in your understanding of that . You missed out on understanding what preflood earth was like. Man had never seen rain befor or a blue sky. Thats is further shown to be fact , In the story of the first drunk. Up until than Wine was like grape drink. After the flood wine firmintated in the son.

Wine does not ferment in the sun. It ferments from a yeast that grows on the grape skin.

 

[JM Aggie08]

good to see the "fairy man" atheist comments started early!

/sarcasm

 

[evident]

man, any thread that mentions god has like 100 posts before i blink

 

[Nemesis 1]

That maybe true doesn't matter, Its what moses said . That matters because its in the big book don't you know that . LOL. Many mistakes in the Bible . Not hard to find at all.
But there mistakes that really don't matter, Other than they are telling preflood earth was way differant than after the flood. Which they now know occurred in that part of the world.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: uli2000

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Shadow Conception
I would believe in God if somebody showed me unmistakable, undoubtedly true proof.

God either exists, or doesn't, and no amount of belief will change that. If God were proven to exist, you wouldn't "believe in God", you would just accept the fact of God's existence and there would be no point in "belief" or faith.

Christianity (and most other religions) require faith because they're essentially based on nothing other than made-up ideas.

Do you have a brain? Have you ever seen it? How do you know its there? CT scan or MRI? Those dont count, thats just a picture, doesnt prove you have a brain. Heck, it may not be real, or may be someone else's brain. So you live by faith that you have a brain.

Do I believe in God? Yes. Have I ever seen him? No. But how can I know he is there? Ive seen miricles and been touched by his Holy Spirit. So I live by faith that there is a God.

Having faith in god is like having faith that I have a brain. That's a new one.

 

[BlackTigers]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: uli2000

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Shadow Conception
I would believe in God if somebody showed me unmistakable, undoubtedly true proof.

God either exists, or doesn't, and no amount of belief will change that. If God were proven to exist, you wouldn't "believe in God", you would just accept the fact of God's existence and there would be no point in "belief" or faith.

Christianity (and most other religions) require faith because they're essentially based on nothing other than made-up ideas.

Do you have a brain? Have you ever seen it? How do you know its there? CT scan or MRI? Those dont count, thats just a picture, doesnt prove you have a brain. Heck, it may not be real, or may be someone else's brain. So you live by faith that you have a brain.

Do I believe in God? Yes. Have I ever seen him? No. But how can I know he is there? Ive seen miricles and been touched by his Holy Spirit. So I live by faith that there is a God.

Having faith in god is like having faith that I have a brain. That's a new one.

Maybe for that guy. I'm not too sure he has one.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

Originally posted by: uli2000

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Shadow Conception
I would believe in God if somebody showed me unmistakable, undoubtedly true proof.

God either exists, or doesn't, and no amount of belief will change that. If God were proven to exist, you wouldn't "believe in God", you would just accept the fact of God's existence and there would be no point in "belief" or faith.

Christianity (and most other religions) require faith because they're essentially based on nothing other than made-up ideas.

Do you have a brain? Have you ever seen it? How do you know its there? CT scan or MRI? Those dont count, thats just a picture, doesnt prove you have a brain. Heck, it may not be real, or may be someone else's brain. So you live by faith that you have a brain.

Do I believe in God? Yes. Have I ever seen him? No. But how can I know he is there? Ive seen miricles and been touched by his Holy Spirit. So I live by faith that there is a God.

good point. i am definitely not sure you have a brain.

 

[uli2000]

Originally posted by: BlackTigers

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: uli2000

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Shadow Conception
I would believe in God if somebody showed me unmistakable, undoubtedly true proof.

God either exists, or doesn't, and no amount of belief will change that. If God were proven to exist, you wouldn't "believe in God", you would just accept the fact of God's existence and there would be no point in "belief" or faith.

Christianity (and most other religions) require faith because they're essentially based on nothing other than made-up ideas.

Do you have a brain? Have you ever seen it? How do you know its there? CT scan or MRI? Those dont count, thats just a picture, doesnt prove you have a brain. Heck, it may not be real, or may be someone else's brain. So you live by faith that you have a brain.

Do I believe in God? Yes. Have I ever seen him? No. But how can I know he is there? Ive seen miricles and been touched by his Holy Spirit. So I live by faith that there is a God.

Having faith in god is like having faith that I have a brain. That's a new one.

Maybe for that guy. I'm not too sure he has one.

All of the all knowing athiests here and everywhere else no matter no hard they try can't disprove God. Maybe they are the ones without brains?

I simply used the brain thing as an analogy of faith. Not as a statement about athiests.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: uli2000

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Shadow Conception
I would believe in God if somebody showed me unmistakable, undoubtedly true proof.

God either exists, or doesn't, and no amount of belief will change that. If God were proven to exist, you wouldn't "believe in God", you would just accept the fact of God's existence and there would be no point in "belief" or faith.

Christianity (and most other religions) require faith because they're essentially based on nothing other than made-up ideas.

Do you have a brain? Have you ever seen it? How do you know its there? CT scan or MRI? Those dont count, thats just a picture, doesnt prove you have a brain. Heck, it may not be real, or may be someone else's brain. So you live by faith that you have a brain.

Do I believe in God? Yes. Have I ever seen him? No. But how can I know he is there? Ive seen miricles and been touched by his Holy Spirit. So I live by faith that there is a God.

I have much more reason to suspect that I have a brain that you have to suspect, let alone know, that there is a god. I recognize that I am a part of the human species, of which there are many other examples for me to study. Thus far virtually every member of the human species has been shown to have the same organs distributed throughout their bodies in roughly the same locations. Knowing this I can be reasonably certain that I share the same characteristics, having been certified as human by the doctors who delivered me at the time of my birth. Even so, I READILY admit that I will never know for certain that I have a brain unless I open my cranium and look at it. I'd calculate the probability of my having a brain as so close to 100% that I might as well live my life as though I have one.

Now do you approach the possibility of there being a God with the same skepticism or do you just give him a free pass based on some "feeling" you have of being touched by the holy spirit that you can't even know for sure is truly divine in nature?

 

[FeuerFrei]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: DefDC
There actually is plenty of physical evidence to prove ancient scriptures wrong already. We already know that rainbows are light waves refracted from raindrops (or other water sources) and most likely are not just "God's promise not to flood the earth".

Most of the miracles in the bible aren't meant to be supernatural. Its interesting that the verse about the rainbow comes right after a world wide flood, when the rain stops and the sun is shining - just how rainbows are formed.

The thing is, the rainbow had never been seen before on earth. If it had, God would never have claimed it for a sign. The rainbow was new to Noah and family. Before the flood there was loads of water in the upper atmosphere, probably filtering any sun rays, and higher atmospheric pressure. The sky no doubt underwent some fundamental changes during the flood, enabling rainbows to be visible for the first time.

There is plenty of evidence that earth's atmosphere used to be very different.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Its nice to have these discussions. Alot of you guys know I believe Nemesis is coming. Now that doesn't matter at all .

But lets for arguments sake. Say it is. Its should be really visiable to us to see by mid 09 not long to wait. Now when governments can know longer keep it a secret. ALL hell will break loose. Thats why there hiding the facts. Mass panic.

Many when they see desruction coming and there is only 3 years left till ya pay your dues. Many non-believers will switch sides. Got news for ha, When you see it with your eyes its to late to switch . Because ya had to see rather than believe on faith. Its mentioned threw history many times . From the first Samarian civilization .The flood the exodus many other tales from differant peoples. By bible timeline its do back around 2012.

Read the Gosphel of mary mag. the true replacement of Judas, Its short incomplete. But read what she says its fantastic. Google works. Its incomplete in only that it was censored. Or the scrpitures that talk in time as eons. million years , Once ya start searching it gets really wierd.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: DefDC
There actually is plenty of physical evidence to prove ancient scriptures wrong already. We already know that rainbows are light waves refracted from raindrops (or other water sources) and most likely are not just "God's promise not to flood the earth".

Most of the miracles in the bible aren't meant to be supernatural. Its interesting that the verse about the rainbow comes right after a world wide flood, when the rain stops and the sun is shining - just how rainbows are formed.

The thing is, the rainbow had never been seen before on earth. If it had, God would never have claimed it for a sign. The rainbow was new to Noah and family. Before the flood there was loads of water in the upper atmosphere, probably filtering any sun rays, and higher atmospheric pressure. The sky no doubt underwent some fundamental changes during the flood, enabling rainbows to be visible for the first time.

There is plenty of evidence that earth's atmosphere used to be very different.

Religious belief or not that was nice to here. There is lots of evidence as you stated.
So radio cardon dating is really screwed up bigtime . Pre flood.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Originally posted by: uli2000

Originally posted by: BlackTigers

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: uli2000

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Shadow Conception
I would believe in God if somebody showed me unmistakable, undoubtedly true proof.

God either exists, or doesn't, and no amount of belief will change that. If God were proven to exist, you wouldn't "believe in God", you would just accept the fact of God's existence and there would be no point in "belief" or faith.

Christianity (and most other religions) require faith because they're essentially based on nothing other than made-up ideas.

Do you have a brain? Have you ever seen it? How do you know its there? CT scan or MRI? Those dont count, thats just a picture, doesnt prove you have a brain. Heck, it may not be real, or may be someone else's brain. So you live by faith that you have a brain.

Do I believe in God? Yes. Have I ever seen him? No. But how can I know he is there? Ive seen miricles and been touched by his Holy Spirit. So I live by faith that there is a God.

Having faith in god is like having faith that I have a brain. That's a new one.

Maybe for that guy. I'm not too sure he has one.

All of the all knowing athiests here and everywhere else no matter no hard they try can't disprove God. Maybe they are the ones without brains?

I simply used the brain thing as an analogy of faith. Not as a statement about athiests.

This "you can't disprove it" is retarded.

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[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: DefDC
There actually is plenty of physical evidence to prove ancient scriptures wrong already. We already know that rainbows are light waves refracted from raindrops (or other water sources) and most likely are not just "God's promise not to flood the earth".

Most of the miracles in the bible aren't meant to be supernatural. Its interesting that the verse about the rainbow comes right after a world wide flood, when the rain stops and the sun is shining - just how rainbows are formed.

The thing is, the rainbow had never been seen before on earth. If it had, God would never have claimed it for a sign. The rainbow was new to Noah and family. Before the flood there was loads of water in the upper atmosphere, probably filtering any sun rays, and higher atmospheric pressure. The sky no doubt underwent some fundamental changes during the flood, enabling rainbows to be visible for the first time.

There is plenty of evidence that earth's atmosphere used to be very different.

I don't think you have any idea how rainbows work

 

[thecrecarc]

What religious people do not understand is the burden of proof. The burden of proof lies on the person trying to pass an idea or hypothesis. If I claim "Unicorns exist" it is not correct for me to ask "Prove it doesn't". The burden of proof is on ME to prove it DOES. If a prosecution claims someone did a crime, it is not up to the accused to prove he DIDN'T do the crime, it is up to the prosecution to prove he DID.

If you claim X is god, it is not our responsibility to prove he doesn't exist. It is YOUR responsibility to prove he DOES exist.

Otherwise, Allah, Buddha, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, The Invisible Pink Unicorn, and Jesus all exist.

 

[FeuerFrei]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: DefDC
There actually is plenty of physical evidence to prove ancient scriptures wrong already. We already know that rainbows are light waves refracted from raindrops (or other water sources) and most likely are not just "God's promise not to flood the earth".

Most of the miracles in the bible aren't meant to be supernatural. Its interesting that the verse about the rainbow comes right after a world wide flood, when the rain stops and the sun is shining - just how rainbows are formed.

The thing is, the rainbow had never been seen before on earth. If it had, God would never have claimed it for a sign. The rainbow was new to Noah and family. Before the flood there was loads of water in the upper atmosphere, probably filtering any sun rays, and higher atmospheric pressure. The sky no doubt underwent some fundamental changes during the flood, enabling rainbows to be visible for the first time.

There is plenty of evidence that earth's atmosphere used to be very different.

I don't think you have any idea how rainbows work

Haha I guess you don't or you would see what I'm saying.
Think about it. Rainbows require strong direct light from the sun refracted by water vapor. If the sun were routinely obscured by water vapor, like on a cloudy day, there would be no rainbows. Logical.

 

[Q]

Sure why not