Would you buy rifle A or rifle B

[Texashiker]

Damn, I tried :/

Hard guessing with limited info, lol.

The rifles I was looking at was either a DS Arms SA58 FN/FL or a CETME. the DSA cost in the $1,200 price range, while the CETME cost in the $500 price range.

The issue was that the quality of the CETME awas so hit and miss, I could not justify spending the money or the time sending it back to the factory for repairs.

I hear of some people getting a CETME and never having any issues with them. But then again, there are the nightmare stories.

Another option would have been the Imbel, but I have read where its quality is hit and miss as well. The Imbel is around the $800 price range.

 

[nick1985]

CETME's are huge pieces of shit and AFAIK their sights are NOT adjustable, so if you get one with shitty sights(common), you are fucked unless you do some heavy modding.

Here's what I would buy if I were you:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1DSAIMBEL&name=DSA+Imbel+FAL+.308+Rifle&groupid=11

With a few boxes of:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.a....308+(7.62x51)+147grn+FMJ+300rd+can&groupid=6

^ that ammo price is sick. They just got the shipment in yesterday, I will be shocked if they have any by the end of tomorrow.

 

[deadlyapp]

Sounds like he's talking an imbel based fal or a century based fal.

Edit: I see I was mostly right. The DSA FALs are IIRC built on Imbel part kits. The receiver is by DSA which is probably the best current manufacturer out right now. The receiver is the only part that cannot be imported into the US, so manufacturers here make them and attach genuine parts kits.

I went through a similar decision about a year ago. I decided that the only way I could feel comfortable buying a CETME is if I could fire it first.

The higher end DSA Fal's are regarded to be better, but they are closer to $2000 IIRC. Yeah, the STG58 is the cheaper version while the SA58 is the higher end one.

EditEdit: Awesome DSA price at aimsurplus. : http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1DSAIMBEL&name=DSA+Imbel+FAL+.308+Rifle&groupid=11

 

[Numenorean]

I'm going with choice A. I personally wouldn't mess around – an extra $600 would be absolutely worth it for the extra quality and lifetime warranty.

Basic math fail.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Rifle A

 

[Josh123]

I saw a M-14 base model for around $1,300ish I think at one of our local gun stores the other day. If I had the cash I would definitely pick one of those babies up. I bet I could sell my Remington 700 .308 and have enough but ehhhh oh well.

 

[boomhower]

Rifle A, I am a buy once cry once type of person. Spend the money and get quality the first time instead of in the end spending more fixing a piece of junk that was going to "save" you money in the beginning. Buy an unreliable gun and you will never trust it, that will always be in the back of your mind.

 

[Texashiker]

The DSA FALs are IIRC built on Imbel part kits. The receiver is by DSA which is probably the best current manufacturer out right now.

I dont know where you got your information from.

DSA manufacturers all of their own parts - none of their rifles are built with a parts kit.

 

[nick1985]

DSA manufacturers all of their own parts - none of their rifles are built with a parts kit.

You must have missed my link above.

 

[bruceb]

Without being specific as to the differences between the two, other than cost, it is hard to say. I would probably buy the more expensive one, with the lifetime warranty. It will likely work flawlessly through it's lifetime and be more accurate than the other one.

 

[Need4Speed]

From Long Experience, I have learned that "settling" for less than what I really want only (and inevitably!!) results in me spending the money again later on.

This ... and that applies to just about everything in life.

 

[eits]

it depends on what you're using the rifle for. if it's for fun or for hunting, i'd go with the $500. however, if you live in a castle in the absolute shittiest part of town where people constantly try to break in, i'd go with the $1200.

why? think about how many guns out there don't have a lifetime warranty and they still kill people and animals when aimed and fired properly. unless it's for assurance of safety and 100% effectiveness in the likelihood of a home invasion in an area where you'd need to be concerned with something like that, i wouldn't spend the extra.

 

[shortylickens]

For home defense: Shotgun.
For fooling around on the range: whatever has the cheapest ammo.

 

[zinfamous]

whichever one kills the most yankees?

 

[Texashiker]

You must have missed my link above.

The link to aimsurplus?


http://www.dsarms.com/aboutus.asp

D.S. Arms Inc. manufactures the (ENTIRE) FN FAL 7.62mm rifle system in the United States utilizing new tooling, improved materials and modernized processes.

 

[DrPizza]

I think option C is better. That you narrowed your search down to two rifles in very dissimilar price brackets makes me question how on earth you even went about selecting a rifle. In the price range of B, there are a lot of very good quality rifles.

How the hell did you ever narrow down your choices between what sounds like a piece of shit for $600, and a more expensive, higher quality firearm?

 

[nick1985]

The link to aimsurplus?


http://www.dsarms.com/aboutus.asp

Here, I'll help you out:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1DSAIMBEL&name=DSA+Imbel+FAL+.308+Rifle&groupid=11

"New DSA, Inc. FAL .308 caliber semi-automatic rifle. Manufactured by DSA, Inc. using DSA Type 1 carry handle cut metric pattern receivers, and Imbel parts kits. "

I dont know where you got your information from.

DSA manufacturers all of their own parts - none of their rifles are built with a parts kit.

 

[nick1985]

I think option C is better. That you narrowed your search down to two rifles in very dissimilar price brackets makes me question how on earth you even went about selecting a rifle. In the price range of B, there are a lot of very good quality rifles.

How the hell did you ever narrow down your choices between what sounds like a piece of shit for $600, and a more expensive, higher quality firearm?

Not semi-auto .308 rifles.

 

[FDF12389]

I think option C is better. That you narrowed your search down to two rifles in very dissimilar price brackets makes me question how on earth you even went about selecting a rifle. In the price range of B, there are a lot of very good quality rifles.

How the hell did you ever narrow down your choices between what sounds like a piece of shit for $600, and a more expensive, higher quality firearm?

This. The savage model 10 is my favorite deer rifle and also my cheapest.

 

[davmat787]

The link to aimsurplus?


http://www.dsarms.com/aboutus.asp

Yep, it states the DSA rifle uses IMBEL parts. Posting as I am forever interested in acquiring a semi-auto .308.

New DSA, Inc. FAL .308 caliber semi-automatic rifle. Manufactured by DSA, Inc. using DSA Type 1 carry handle cut metric pattern receivers, and Imbel parts kits. They feature original Imbel 21" barrels with chrome lined chambers and original Flash hider. Includes 20rd magazine, bayonet & scabbard, blank firing adapter, and are shipped in a hard carry case.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1DSAIMBEL&name=DSA+Imbel+FAL+.308+Rifle&groupid=11

 

[Texashiker]

Here, I'll help you out:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1DSAIMBEL&name=DSA+Imbel+FAL+.308+Rifle&groupid=11

Yep, it states the DSA rifle uses IMBEL parts. Posting as I am forever interested in acquiring a semi-auto .308.

One of their rifles is made from a parts kit - its listed on the DS Arms site under the IMBEL rifle.

http://www.dsarms.com/FAL%20Imbel Rifle/products/208/

These rifles are made with DSA Type 1 carry handle cut receivers. They are built on Imbel parts kits

When you look at the list of SA58 models, there is nothing mentioned of a parts kit

http://www.dsarms.com/FAL-SA58 Rifles/products/8/

This is the rifle that I have - http://www.dsarms.com/SA58-FAL-Standard-Rifle-308-Cal----SA58STD/productinfo/SA58STD/

 

[Lemon law]

I wonder why almost everyone misses the point. High powered rifles for their proper purpose of hunting animals is very much like buying a hammer for a professional carpenter.

For our hypothetical carpenter, some times he needs a sledge hammer, sometimes he needs a fairly heavy framing hammer, and sometimes on other jobs a very light tack hammer is needed.

High powered rifles are much the same because game animals and terrain factors vary widely. Depending on the game animal being hunted, one could make due with a very small bore .17 or .22 caliber that offers very high velocity and a flat trajectory for something like a wood chuck, but as soon as one gets into bores the size of .243, .257,
or even .284, that are ideal for large deer sized animals, getting high velocity and flat trajectory with a far heavier bullet, starts to buy some heavy recoil and unless the gun is made quite heavy. But if your purpose is to tackle a Grizzle or brown bear, our OP's .308 is pretty underpowered.

So really one would be better off getting two rifles of different calibers, to get the best bang for the buck. And then after that, one can hand load their own custom ammunition. And even if I have a magnum size cartridge, I can short shot the amount of powder I put in the cartridge to turn a magnum class rifle into a tack hammer if it suits my purpose.

 

[nick1985]

^

/facepalm

 

[DrPizza]

This. The savage model 910 is my favorite deer rifle and also my cheapest.

Another teacher at my school has highly recommended a Savage rifle to me; not sure if that's the same model or not. Cheap, relatively cheap ammo, accurate, and effective for big game. The guy knows his hunting (thanks to him, our school/students have been featured at least half a dozen times on the Outdoor Channel's hunting shows, plus our own show on the Outdoor Channel is now in the works, with one season's worth of episodes already having sponsors, etc.)

 

[FDF12389]

Another teacher at my school has highly recommended a Savage rifle to me; not sure if that's the same model or not. Cheap, relatively cheap ammo, accurate, and effective for big game. The guy knows his hunting (thanks to him, our school/students have been featured at least half a dozen times on the Outdoor Channel's hunting shows, plus our own show on the Outdoor Channel is now in the works, with one season's worth of episodes already having sponsors, etc.)

Probably the model 11, same as the 10 with a synthetic stock. I got my younger brother a 11 for about $350 a few years back and it is extremely accurate, reliable, and light. Couldn't be happier with any of my savage purchases.