would you be less apt to lend money to someone named Juan vs. someone named John?

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QueBert

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Juan, mexicans work harder than typical white people. a Juan might very well be willing to pull weeds all day to make $25 bucks. Mexican people don't ask to borrow money though so this thread is kind of pointless. They'll stand outside a Home Depot and offer to work all day for literally a few bucks before they ask somebody to borrow money. A john could be on the side of a freeway with a sign "homeless, need money" where the Juan will be at least trying to sell Oranges or Flowers or something. I've never seen a Mexican person with a "give me money sign" ever.
 

MotionMan

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: Duddy
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: Duddy
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: spaceman
Originally posted by: BassBomb
Needs more background, do I even know these people?

you only know their 1st names.
and you have to base your decision on that alone.
does it influence it one way or the other.
please answer honestly ion the pole.

No. So, what do I vote?

Poll Fail.

MotionMan

It's not that hard to grasp. Would you rather lend your money to a Mexican man or a white guy? I voted John. Only because I had a bad experience with someone named Juan

What if the answer is that the name does not influence me at all? There is no poll selection for that.

MotionMan

Then don't vote. That's like arguing that McDonald's doesn't serve pizza.

I do not get your point. McDonald's does not serve pizza anymore because it did not sell well: McDonald's Pizza.

MotionMan

I never had McDonald's pizza in the US, but when I went to Europe in 1996 the closest thing I found to NY style pizza was at a McDonald's in Nice. :Q And it wasn't bad.

The last time I was in Vegas, the McDonald's near the Strip was still selling pizza. That seems like eons ago, though.

MotionMan
 

Red Squirrel

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I only borrow money to close family like my parents or my sister. It takes a while, but they did pay most of it off now. :D I keep track with an excel spreadsheet.
 

newnameman

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Originally posted by: QueBert
Juan, mexicans work harder than typical white people. a Juan might very well be willing to pull weeds all day to make $25 bucks. Mexican people don't ask to borrow money though so this thread is kind of pointless. They'll stand outside a Home Depot and offer to work all day for literally a few bucks before they ask somebody to borrow money. A john could be on the side of a freeway with a sign "homeless, need money" where the Juan will be at least trying to sell Oranges or Flowers or something. I've never seen a Mexican person with a "give me money sign" ever.
This is the most racist post in the thread...
 

spaceman

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Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
What if it was Professor Juan and John huh? What then?

id like to not get lost in hypotheticals here.
its like saying well who would you loan money 2
fat john or juanita with the rack
 

QueBert

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Originally posted by: newnameman
Originally posted by: QueBert
Juan, mexicans work harder than typical white people. a Juan might very well be willing to pull weeds all day to make $25 bucks. Mexican people don't ask to borrow money though so this thread is kind of pointless. They'll stand outside a Home Depot and offer to work all day for literally a few bucks before they ask somebody to borrow money. A john could be on the side of a freeway with a sign "homeless, need money" where the Juan will be at least trying to sell Oranges or Flowers or something. I've never seen a Mexican person with a "give me money sign" ever.
This is the most racist post in the thread...

It's the truth, hell just 30 minutes ago getting off the freeway there was a homeless white dude begging for money and a Mexican dude selling Roses. Racist or not, this post is accurate. While I'm sure there are Mexicans who borrow and beg for money, in my 2+ decades of dealing with them I haven't encountered a single one.
 

ObiDon

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Originally posted by: spaceman
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
What if it was Professor Juan and John huh? What then?

id like to not get lost in hypotheticals here.
its like saying well who would you loan money 2
fat john or juanita with the rack
i wouldn't loan money to juanita with the rack... she'd probably be willing to earn it
 

ScottyB

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I said John, but then I thought he would just hire Juan to cut his grass instead of another John. Can I be assured John will only hire more Johns?
 

Duddy

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Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: Duddy
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: Duddy
Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: spaceman
Originally posted by: BassBomb
Needs more background, do I even know these people?

you only know their 1st names.
and you have to base your decision on that alone.
does it influence it one way or the other.
please answer honestly ion the pole.

No. So, what do I vote?

Poll Fail.

MotionMan

It's not that hard to grasp. Would you rather lend your money to a Mexican man or a white guy? I voted John. Only because I had a bad experience with someone named Juan

What if the answer is that the name does not influence me at all? There is no poll selection for that.

MotionMan

Then don't vote. That's like arguing that McDonald's doesn't serve pizza.

I do not get your point. McDonald's does not serve pizza anymore because it did not sell well: McDonald's Pizza.

MotionMan

I never had McDonald's pizza in the US, but when I went to Europe in 1996 the closest thing I found to NY style pizza was at a McDonald's in Nice. :Q And it wasn't bad.

The last time I was in Vegas, the McDonald's near the Strip was still selling pizza. That seems like eons ago, though.

MotionMan

Yeah it was almost almost 20 years ago they introduced it.
 

zeruty

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The only Juan I know looks pretty damn white to me. But now he's fuckin the last girl I was tryin to be fuckin...
The last John I knew that I would ever consider loaning to is Korean...

So I voted for John. John Kim.

<== White
 

BoomerD

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Juan? What you Juan a do?


I'd like to think that I'm a big enough person to see past such trivial stuff, but probably not...then again, I'm VERY unlikely to loan ANYONE any money...

I've been burned too many times in the past.
 

Ruptga

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Originally posted by: MotionMan
Originally posted by: spaceman
Originally posted by: BassBomb
Needs more background, do I even know these people?

you only know their 1st names.
and you have to base your decision on that alone.
does it influence it one way or the other.
please answer honestly ion the pole.

No. So, what do I vote?

Poll Fail.

MotionMan

 

zeruty

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Originally posted by: n yusef
This study shows with identical resumes, people with "black-sounding" names had a 50% less chance of getting a call-back. Text. I would assume that Latino's and other minorities would face the same name discrimination. So while I wouldn't be less apt to lend Juan money than I would John (all things equal), I assume that other people would be.

Well.
Let that be a lesson to the black woman named Ann. Or Sarah. Or Angela. Or Karen. Who wants to name her kid Laquisha. Or Taniqua. Or Talitha. You need to realize you are only doing a disservice to your child. If you're like 10th generation in this country, and your name, your parents' names, your grandparents' names, etc were all normal Americanized names.... Why the fuck do you gotta think you need to indulge in some heritage that isn't really yours?
Honestly I don't know why any American would want to name their kid that. The Koreans understand this. So do a lot of others...



 

QueBert

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Originally posted by: zeruty
Originally posted by: n yusef
This study shows with identical resumes, people with "black-sounding" names had a 50% less chance of getting a call-back. Text. I would assume that Latino's and other minorities would face the same name discrimination. So while I wouldn't be less apt to lend Juan money than I would John (all things equal), I assume that other people would be.

Well.
Let that be a lesson to the black woman named Ann. Or Sarah. Or Angela. Or Karen. Who wants to name her kid Laquisha. Or Taniqua. Or Talitha. You need to realize you are only doing a disservice to your child. If you're like 10th generation in this country, and your name, your parents' names, your grandparents' names, etc were all normal Americanized names.... Why the fuck do you gotta think you need to indulge in some heritage that isn't really yours?
Honestly I don't know why any American would want to name their kid that. The Koreans understand this. So do a lot of others...

Have you even seen the movie Roots? The scene with the slave master whipping Lavar Burton and saying "what's your name boy?" "Kunta!" *whips him again* "your names Toby Boy, now what's your name boy?" "my names Kunta" *whips again* The reason has a lot to do with Black people wanting their own identity and not taking a name given to them by the slave masters. Slavery has long been dead, but racism is alive and well, they still want to distance themselves from the image of being a Toby when that's not who they are. I knew a Latressa growing up, I asked her about her name and if she ever wished her mom had named her something like Susan or Stephanie. She said no because she would never get treated the same as a Susan would. I knew 2 Koreans I knew growing up were born here and named "In" and "Jun" so it's not just black people who chose un American sounding names for their children. For the record I probably know an equal number of people from all races with American sounding names and ones that stick out like a sore thumb. There are plenty of black people in America with unsuspecting names like Nicole & Jim.
 

n yusef

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Originally posted by: zeruty
Originally posted by: n yusef
This study shows with identical resumes, people with "black-sounding" names had a 50% less chance of getting a call-back. Text. I would assume that Latino's and other minorities would face the same name discrimination. So while I wouldn't be less apt to lend Juan money than I would John (all things equal), I assume that other people would be.

Well.
Let that be a lesson to the black woman named Ann. Or Sarah. Or Angela. Or Karen. Who wants to name her kid Laquisha. Or Taniqua. Or Talitha. You need to realize you are only doing a disservice to your child. If you're like 10th generation in this country, and your name, your parents' names, your grandparents' names, etc were all normal Americanized names.... Why the fuck do you gotta think you need to indulge in some heritage that isn't really yours?
Honestly I don't know why any American would want to name their kid that. The Koreans understand this. So do a lot of others...

Do you consider it at all ridiculous that you're blaming the victims of discrimination (and their parents), rather than the discriminators? It's akin to saying the victims of a gay-bashing had it coming. If they hadn't been born gay, it wouldn't have happened. No one deserves discrimination, whether you approve of their naming choices or not.

Your point about indulging a heritage that isn't yours isn't accurate either. Names like Laquisha were recently invented by Black Americans. They are representative of Black American culture.

Names are integral to cultural identity, and as a Jew, I feel sorry for anyone who feels the need to change their name to attain professional success. Every time I see Lauren instead of Lifshitz, it hurts a little. That Asian immigrants' are so eager to name their children James makes me a sad.
 

shortylickens

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Originally posted by: Lothar
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: mugs
I voted for Juan. I figured with all the people wanting to lend to John, I could probably charge Juan a higher interest rate.
If the amount of Cash Advance joints in my town is any indication, this is probably true.

I'm not happy with illegals at all, but I have to admit its pretty messed up how many people want to take advantage of them with all the Cash Advance, Paycheck Advance, Title Loans and other shit. Its like legalized loan-sharking.
You dont pay, they call immigration.
How is that taking advantage of? Paycheck loans are shady to start with, I am not even sure why they are allowed to exist.
Areas infested with illegals are also infested with loan sharks. In areas without illegals you might have one in a whole town, and they dont do very well.

Again, I hate illegal aliens but I dont think its moral or ethical to fuck them over while they're here.
As for your question, they are legal businesses because loaning is legal. And they are smart enough to only loan to people who will never, ever call the cops on them.
I bet if I walked in and tried to get some business from them they would find an excuse to not help me.

Please...
Do you also believe credit card companies should be banned from coming to college campuses and handing students free bagpacks or a McDonald's lunch?
No I dont. Is the only way you can win an argument by starting one and then putting words in my mouth?
 

zeruty

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Originally posted by: QueBert
Have you even seen the movie Roots? The scene with the slave master whipping Lavar Burton and saying "what's your name boy?" "Kunta!" *whips him again* "your names Toby Boy, now what's your name boy?" "my names Kunta" *whips again* The reason has a lot to do with Black people wanting their own identity and not taking a name given to them by the slave masters. Slavery has long been dead, but racism is alive and well, they still want to distance themselves from the image of being a Toby when that's not who they are. I knew a Latressa growing up, I asked her about her name and if she ever wished her mom had named her something like Susan or Stephanie. She said no because she would never get treated the same as a Susan would. I knew 2 Koreans I knew growing up were born here and named "In" and "Jun" so it's not just black people who chose un American sounding names for their children. For the record I probably know an equal number of people from all races with American sounding names and ones that stick out like a sore thumb. There are plenty of black people in America with unsuspecting names like Nicole & Jim.

No I never saw that. But then again, no one alive today was a slave. I understand why it's important to remember that history, but at the same time, it's important to move on. I think it's self-defeating to perpetually obsess over the wrongs of the past. I honestly think it would be better to move on and forge a better future instead of constantly dwelling on the past. Never forget, but don't sabotage the future because of it. Do the best that you can to improve your future and the future of America.
I think that racism is perpetuated by the wedge that is constantly being driven between people.

I have a friend who was born in Sudan, forced into their military, and went AWOL when ordered to burn a village and it's occupants to the ground. He escaped to Egypt. Eventually he made it here to the US. He has suffered in ways that most Americans will never even come close to. He is also a Christian. We worked together, and talked a lot. He told me about a time that he went in to a convenience store. There was a black Muslim working there. I don't recall what prompted the conversation, but the employee was bitching about white people, Christians, etc. When my friend told the guy that he was in fact Christian, the guy acted appalled and asked him how dare he be a Christian, with all the wrongs the white people have done to blacks. The man continued to talk shit about white people and harp about slavery, discrimination etc. Talked about how he was disadvantaged, etc.
What my friend said to him has stuck with me. He said that the man took the chains from his legs, and put them on his brain. He took the physical restraints and injustices of the past, and turned them into mental restraints and injustices of the present.

I can honestly say that the constant reminder of the past (that I had NOTHING to do with) and the guilt that our culture expects me to feel regarding the history of my ancestry, tends to make me bitter. I know that if it wasn't for this constant onslaught, the bitterness and racism I felt when I was a youth would have never happened.


WHY do we constantly have to separate ourselves and allow the past to hinder our present? Why don't we move on and just all be AMERICANS!
 

zeruty

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Originally posted by: n yusef

Do you consider it at all ridiculous that you're blaming the victims of discrimination (and their parents), rather than the discriminators? It's akin to saying the victims of a gay-bashing had it coming. If they hadn't been born gay, it wouldn't have happened. No one deserves discrimination, whether you approve of their naming choices or not.

Your point about indulging a heritage that isn't yours isn't accurate either. Names like Laquisha were recently invented by Black Americans. They are representative of Black American culture.

Names are integral to cultural identity, and as a Jew, I feel sorry for anyone who feels the need to change their name to attain professional success. Every time I see Lauren instead of Lifshitz, it hurts a little. That Asian immigrants' are so eager to name their children James makes me a sad.

I think the discrimination based on name is deeper than just from the person's skin color. I would tend to trust a dark skinned black woman named Jennifer more than a fair skinned black person named Laquisha. It's because the Jennifer would be more familiar. I cannot understand the desire to INVENT names, by anyone. A name from one's true heritage I can understand. My name is Jonah, my mom chose it from the Christian bible. But it is an existing name. So someone named Mohammed (except the guy I knew in high school named Mohammed Mohammud. That I'll never understand. But then again I wouldn't understand someone named Thomas Thomus or Henry Henrey) or something I understand.
But I find "invented" names a bit ridiculous. Especially ones like Laquisha. To me that sounds like it's describing a Fart Gone Horribly Wrong.

My friend from Sudan, his name is Nixon Joseph. That name is odd to me, Nixon as a first name, Joseph as a last. But still... they are real names.
If Lifshitz is a true name from the Jewish heritage, then more power to it. Of course with that name you'll have to expect some lulz. But that's because the name unfortunately contains a word that means feces in our language. A guy I work with now's first name is Pornchai, but he goes by Ponch. Can you blame him?

Black American Culture? Am I the only one that would rather have American culture instead a different culture for every race? "You guys enjoy your Black American Culture, I don't want you having anything to do with my White American Culture." What the fuck??
So anyways, why would anyone want to take some random syllables, stick them together, and name their kid that?
Reminds me of some book I read in school, where a woman giving birth named her daughter Rayon because she saw the word on the hospital sheets and thought it sounded pretty.
Maybe I should name my future daughter Vagina. I think that is a pretty word...