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Would you be for or against a complete public transportation system?

I4AT

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I mean if there was a large scale federally run metro, assuming that were possible, and motorized vehicles were outlawed for the individual, would you embrace it or do you feel you need a personal vehicle?

I wouldn't mind it tbh, I think the amount of improvements it would bring would be worth the awkwardness of traveling on a bus full of strangers. But what do you people think?
 

coldmeat

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I love driving, except in the city but I rarely drive there. I don't have my own car yet but I can't wait until I get my first.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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I don't think it needs to be all or nothing. There is definitely a place for rail and light rail in the U.S. Maybe we should be grateful for the gub'mint killing off the rail system so there is no huge infra-structure to replace for a modern system.
 

paulxcook

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If it's all or nothing I'm against it. But if there was a well-maintained public transportation system that could get me to work and back every day, to other states for business or vacation travel, other parts of the city for dining, shopping, etc, I would take it and just keep a truck or something for times when I need to haul my own stuff somewhere or do something else where public transportation isn't practical.
 

Ika

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Originally posted by: paulxcook
If it's all or nothing I'm against it. But if there was a well-maintained public transportation system that could get me to work and back every day, to other states for business or vacation travel, other parts of the city for dining, shopping, etc, I would take it and just keep a truck or something for times when I need to haul my own stuff somewhere or do something else where public transportation isn't practical.

My thoughts exactly. I would use public transportation to go places I usually go (school, work, shopping), but a car when I want to visit somewhere I wouldn't normally go.
 

I4AT

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It would be nice if it could be done on rail, but I just figured buses would be the way to go since the infrastructure for it is already there. Alright how about this then, if each city had its own excellent metro system, but you still had the option of using your own vehicle, who would still take their own car to/from work etc.?
 

Captante

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I'd love to see a more efficient public transportation system in operation & I would make periodic use of it, but not if I was forced to give up my personal vehicle.
 

Eeezee

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Any system that arbitrarily denies me freedom is a bad system.

I WOULD, however, support a really good federal public transportation system. If it's good enough, you won't need to outlaw private vehicles; you need to make it just as effective and cheaper than owning your own car (which is already pretty expensive once you include gas and maintenance). For example, you don't need a car to get around most of New York, and plenty of people there don't use cars regularly. You can see the same in any city with a good public transportation system (particularly a good subway system).

Phoenix/Tempe are putting in a light rail system, but the route makes it look like it's of limited use
 

wetcat007

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I would think any large public transportation system would be done in addition having a vehicle. I would love to see a excellent public transportation system constructed in the United States. What would be the purpose of outlawing Vehicles though? I could only see that doing harm to the economy.
 

So

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I couldn't tolerate any system that told me I couldn't have a car. That's take to the hills with guns sh*t, right there.
 

pclstyle

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Originally posted by: So
I couldn't tolerate any system that told me I couldn't have a car. That's take to the hills with guns sh*t, right there.

No doubt.
 

theeedude

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It took me 1.5 hrs to go 4 miles on public bus from airport to my job. I could have walked it in less.
 

IGBT

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Originally posted by: wetcat007
I would think any large public transportation system would be done in addition having a vehicle. I would love to see a excellent public transportation system constructed in the United States. What would be the purpose of outlawing Vehicles though? I could only see that doing harm to the economy.

..eco-theists can't stand the sight of people driving anything. give em time and they'll find something wrong with bikes. In some state parks they won't let you ride a bike on the trails.

 

kranky

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Originally posted by: Eeezee
Any system that arbitrarily denies me freedom is a bad system.

I WOULD, however, support a really good federal public transportation system. If it's good enough, you won't need to outlaw private vehicles; you need to make it just as effective and cheaper than owning your own car (which is already pretty expensive once you include gas and maintenance). For example, you don't need a car to get around most of New York, and plenty of people there don't use cars regularly. You can see the same in any city with a good public transportation system (particularly a good subway system).

Phoenix/Tempe are putting in a light rail system, but the route makes it look like it's of limited use

Light rail systems are never built out fully from the start. They put in a "starter system" then add extensions over time. It's too costly to do it all at the beginning. You can expect to see additional lines added.
 

imported_Section8

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I do not think most folks would trade a car for a public transportation system. However, based on the popularity of the light rail system (DART) I ride everyday, I also believe people would use it over a POV if it was greatly expanded.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: wetcat007
I would think any large public transportation system would be done in addition having a vehicle. I would love to see a excellent public transportation system constructed in the United States. What would be the purpose of outlawing Vehicles though? I could only see that doing harm to the economy.

..eco-theists can't stand the sight of people driving anything. give em time and they'll find something wrong with bikes. In some state parks they won't let you ride a bike on the trails.

Link? And the reason?
 

Capt Caveman

Lifer
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Living in Boston and San Francisco, I used public transportation whenever I could. I won't live anywhere without a good public transportation system.
 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: I4AT
I mean if there was a large scale federally run metro, assuming that were possible, and motorized vehicles were outlawed for the individual, would you embrace it or do you feel you need a personal vehicle?

Not under those conditions.
 

Drekce

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I would love a light rail or similar system here. Florida has been arguing about it for a decade now. Just a Daytona -> Orlando -> Tampa one would be great for me.
 

Injury

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A feasible system between major metro areas would be superb. However, that still leaves out a majority of the country (by area, not population).

It wouldn't be acceptable to have tax dollars for people in say... Montana... have MAYBE one or two stops in their state with the majority of access being a complete inconvenient mess for them while people in an urban setting have direct and immediate access and are generally getting their money's worth. Essentially, even if it were as sporadic as national airports and covered similar ground you would still have plenty of people that don't find it convenient. Because of this you'd more or less have to privatize it and much like many other forms of transportation people would opt for driving and getting the job done in half the time as opposed to paying the same amount for a ticket and putting up with the multiple annoyances that are only bearable when the cost is cheap and the distance you have to go is short.

See, the big draw to public transportation has to be the value and efficiency or it will be generally neglected in areas where it's just as monetarily acceptable to have your own transportation. I live in Cincinnati, and the town is based heavily on its suburbs. This is why a rail system in Cincinnati isn't going to be here anytime soon. The majority of people that work in the city come from surrounding areas, not just a few blocks away or anything. Parking isn't CHEAP, but it's still affordable. After business hours, downtown is a ghost town. There is NOTHING going on there. Yeah, a rail system might bring more people IN to the city, but there is literally NO draw to keep them there. The bars aren't that great, there are some decent restaurants downtown but the BEST dining is outside of the city... there's no entertainment. So essentially a rail system makes sense for the 40 hour work week and not much more. We can't even effectively use our buses for more than that time, so why would we want something more often?

Despite being regarded as behind the times, Cincy is a great example of the country in general. Nobody is going to be interested or consider their money well spent unless the system is more effective than their current situation. The people in the suburbs of Cincy know that any rail system isn't going to help them out because it's only going to be in the city... if they have to drive that far, they might as well finish the drive rather than wait half an hour on a train or bus. The same goes for smaller areas of the country where people won't have direct access to the system.


Sorry for rambling, but I'm bored as all hell at work.

 

mugs

Lifer
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I wouldn't care that I didn't have my car, and I wouldn't care that I have to travel with other people. But I would care that I can't just up and leave my house to go anywhere at any time by the most direct or fastest possible route, something no public transit system can give me.
 

Linflas

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Against it. I want the freedom to go wherever I want to go whenever I want to go there. The only way that could possibly be feasible is if everyone lived clustered together in cities and there are a lot of us that loathe that lifestyle.