Would WD 6TB Blue 5400RPM drive be bad for a NAS?

Captain_WD

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Hey there VirtualLarry :)

The WD Blue 6TB is the re-branded WD Green since WD Green drives are getting integrated into the WD Blue line as discussed in this topic: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=37949291&posted=1#post37949291

NAS drives generally have some additional features that enable them to sustain longer and more continuous workloads which make them safer and thus being rated for 24/7 usage. They also have features such as TLER which lowers the chance of a drive dropping out of an RAID array. Such drives usually come with additional safety features that can better prevent damage from excessive heat or vibrations which are common in NAS/Server/RAID environments. WD Blue has none of those features and is not really recommended for NAS devices, but it plugged in it should work. For such usages I would rather go with a WD Red drive since it does have these specific features. Here's a link: http://products.wdc.com/support/kb.ashx?id=xMRmPJ

Feel free to ask if you have any additional questions :)

Captain_WD.
 

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822235009&ignorebbr=1

I know it's not a "NAS" drive, but how much does that really matter?

Are these drives rated for 24/7 operation?

TLER is mostly important when you have a hardware RAID controller. If you're using software RAID like linux mdraid, it probably doesn't matter.

I remember mfenn saying that they used lots of green drives in software raid setups and they were fine, YMMV.

They probably aren't rated for 24 hour operation. WD wants you to buy Reds for that.
 

Charlie98

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It wouldn't be my first choice, not for that purpose.

I will say, however, I have a 500GB AV Green drive (precursor to the Purple) that runs 24/7 and I haven't had a lick of problems with it... but certainly it has a different software profile than a standard Green/Blue.
 

CiPHER

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WD Green (now sold as Blue) and WD Red are physically the same, aside from a tiny vibration sensor. The only difference is in warranty (3 years instead of 2 years in the EU) and in firmware, the Red has TLER-enabled firmware. This is why they sell them as 'NAS' drives.

I think this is misleading, because virtually all NAS use Linux/BSD software RAID or modern solutions such as ZFS. You do not need nor do not want TLER for such solutions. But for Windows FakeRAID (onboard RAID / DriverRAID) and most Hardware RAID solutions you do need TLER to prevent disks dropping from the RAID array.

WD Green do have headparking timer set very agressively. So you may want to use the WDIDLE3.EXE utility to set the timer to a sane value, such as 200 seconds. Otherwise, your Load Cycle Count (LCC) value in the SMART output will increase rapidly, approaching the specified maximum of 300.000 cycles within the warranty period in 24/7 operation.

I believe all disks are ready for 24/7 operation, despite what the manufacturer says. It is actually the other way around: server/enterprise disks are ONLY suitable for 24/7 operation and may not be used as desktop drive with lots of start/stop cycles. Those disks have specified much less start/stop cycles and many system administrators can tell you that powering down a server increases the risk of disks not wanting to spin up any more. I would assert that most mechanical technology wants to be in a stable situation with all factors being the same: temperature, humidity, vibrations, orientation, usage pattern, etc. Any rapid change might cause additional wear. For example, having disks oriented vertically and suddenly start using them horizontally, might cause them to be more prone to failure. No real good studies exist to statistically prove this point, however.

Most people with ZFS pools for home usage, use Green (i.e. 5400rpm class) disks.
 

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WD Red drives are not strictly for NAS usage. These drives are recommended for any type of RAID arrays, NAS or server usage or any other 24/7 purpose. The additional features (the sensor for example) contribute to better safety while in such environments and type of usage since it poses more threat to the drive compared to regular single-drive desktop usage. These drives are built more robust and handle heat better too.
It is true that when used in a regular desktop the WD Red will behave more or less just like a WD Green as the additional features won't be needed and won't be used (TLER for example). Still, the extra safety feature against vibration and heat, plus the more robust build and longer warranty give the WD Red (and NAS drives in general) an edge over regular drives when it comes to this type of usage.
Of course, it is possible to use regular drives (even SSDs) in almost all types of NAS and server devices plus in RAID arrays and it's up to each person's preference to choose which ones should they go with. :)

Captain_WD.
 

CiPHER

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WD Red drives are not strictly for NAS usage. These drives are recommended for any type of RAID arrays, NAS or server usage or any other 24/7 purpose. The additional features (the sensor for example) contribute to better safety while in such environments and type of usage since it poses more threat to the drive compared to regular single-drive desktop usage.
To me this sounds like marketing speech without having any real technical relevance.

These drives are built more robust and handle heat better too.
According to my information Green and Red are physically the same drives. The only difference is the added tiny vibration sensor which is easily overestimated as a proper metal casing will neutralise vibrations quickly and only the real server/enterprise drives have proper vibration sensors, making them suitable to stack many disks close to each other - 40 disks in a Norco casing for example.

I often hear arguments that Red is faster, consumes less power and generates less heat than Green. But i think this is a misconception, caused by an improper review that tested a WD Green with 666GB platters against a model with 1TB platters. The latter will use one less platter to achieve the same capacity and thus will consume less power and thus generate less heat. Higher capacity platters also result in higher data density, meaning more sectors per track, meaning more sectors per revolution (rpm) which results in higher sequential throughput performance.

In other words, Green and Red are physically pretty much equal and the difference attributed to them is caused by an improper review which people take for granted. However, both Green (EARX i think) and Red had both 750GB and 1000GB platter models, so comparing apples with oranges results in faulty conclusions.

It is true that when used in a regular desktop the WD Red will behave more or less just like a WD Green as the additional features won't be needed and won't be used (TLER for example).
That is not true. TLER doesn't just disable itself. The drive itself does not know it is part of a RAID array. And you do not need nor want TLER for higher quality RAID implementations such as software RAID under BSD UNIX or Linux - such as many NAS products like Synology and Qnap also use.

TLER can also introduce risks, because it effectively kills your last line of defence in trying to get your data back, in case redundancy fails. Also TLER for RAID0 or concatenating arrays will introduce the same risk. You only want TLER if you really need it, which is: Hardware RAID or Windows FakeRAID (Intel/AMD/Promise/Silicon Image/JMicron/ASMedia/Marvell).

As for the extra year of warranty (or 2 years extra if you live outside of the EU), research from BackBlaze suggests that WD Greens fail most in their first year, and much less in their second and third year. If true, this would render the additional warranty much less relevant.

For the manufacturer WD Red is a nice way to earn more money from essentially the same product, but for the consumer i can see little benefit in most circumstances. As usual the manufacturer benefits from FUD; misinformation, vague marketing speech and obfuscation. It all adds to the feeling consumer get that they need more expensive drives for your NAS, which 95%+ of the time is not required at all.
 
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Rules for selecting a new Hard Drive:

#1 - For home use in a low I/O environment on a software RAID (unRAID, FlexRAID, Storage Spaces, ZFS, etc.) then just about any drive is just fine. In fact, if your system doesn't need to keep the drive constantly spinning then the Desktop drives are probably better.

#2 - Using a hardware RAID controller? Then you need a NAS drive with TLER to keep the controller from kicking the drive when it spins down.

#3 - Business class with high I/O, then get an enterprise class drive that can sustain 24/7 data transfers. Greens and other desktop HDDs just aren't built for that.

#4 - Never, ever, ever, ever buy a 1.5TB or 3TB Seagate.
 

CiPHER

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I'd go along with that. :)

But just to add, with "24/7 data transfers" you mean 100% duty cycle, right? That is something entirely different than using the drive 24/7 but idling most of the time. Smitbret is referring to real server usage where the disks are continuously doing I/O and seeking - you need real enterprise drives or they will wear very quickly. Normal consumer usage is less than 1% duty cycle, NAS drives might be utilised even less.
 

sao123

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Rules for selecting a new Hard Drive:

#1 - For home use in a low I/O environment on a software RAID (unRAID, FlexRAID, Storage Spaces, ZFS, etc.) then just about any drive is just fine. In fact, if your system doesn't need to keep the drive constantly spinning then the Desktop drives are probably better.

#2 - Using a hardware RAID controller? Then you need a NAS drive with TLER to keep the controller from kicking the drive when it spins down.

#3 - Business class with high I/O, then get an enterprise class drive that can sustain 24/7 data transfers. Greens and other desktop HDDs just aren't built for that.

#4 - Never, ever, ever, ever buy a 1.5TB or 3TB Seagate.


Does #1 apply for NAS appliances such as those of synology and qnap?
 

Hugo Drax

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The price difference between the blue and the red 4tb is like 22 bucks. Not worth the risk, my data is worth significantly more than 22 dollars extra per drive.
 

VirtualLarry

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Can we re-visit this, in light of the news that the newest models of WD Red NAS 5400RPM HDDs, are using SMR tech for their 2-6TB sizes, according to a public disclosure from WD, as mentioned on Tom's Hardware, and thus, in some customer's applications, the drives are dropping out due to slow write speeds out of the RAID arrays in their NAS units.

As I understand it, the 5400RPM Blue models don't use SMR (yet?), and thus may now actually be a BETTER choice than WD Red for NAS usage.

Can anyone confirm/deny? Have they purchased WD Red drives from 2-6TB in capacity, and found the SMR tech lacking or prohibiting usage in their NAS units?
 

killster1

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why not just avoid 6tb drives anyway? the 8tb are best bang for buck lately for me. i been buying 8tb wd reds for about 120 shipped. if you want 24/7 then wd gold 8tb used go for about 200ish (last i saw a bunch being sold for that) was tempted to grab a few but wasnt paying attention that day during the auction.
 

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Can we re-visit this, in light of the news that the newest models of WD Red NAS 5400RPM HDDs, are using SMR tech for their 2-6TB sizes, according to a public disclosure from WD, as mentioned on Tom's Hardware, and thus, in some customer's applications, the drives are dropping out due to slow write speeds out of the RAID arrays in their NAS units.

As I understand it, the 5400RPM Blue models don't use SMR (yet?), and thus may now actually be a BETTER choice than WD Red for NAS usage.

Can anyone confirm/deny? Have they purchased WD Red drives from 2-6TB in capacity, and found the SMR tech lacking or prohibiting usage in their NAS units?

I have used WD RED 3tb drives in RAID 5
I got 3 more turned out to be SMR drives
Doing a raid expansion it failed hard because of the new WD3TB drives being SMR...
I returned on the 3 drives then a week later I found out what's going on with the switch to SMR I was so pissed. Lucky for me i made a backed up!
Looking to expand the 4 hdd 2TB array I have thats running a mutt array of 2 WD blue, 1 Seagate, and a 1 WD black that was an RMA from a green that I was use in in a non raid. The WD back died so I when out and got 5 more WD blue drives for $50 each but you need to get the ones with the 64mg the 256mg cash are SMR drives!!!!
So far the WD blues are working fine with my LSI raid controller running in RAID 6.
7 WD Blues and 1 Seagate. Holding my movies and music Running plex media server.
 

Shmee

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Yikes, sounds like SMR is finding it's way into other drives too. I would probably go with Red Pros or Red Plus at least.
 

MalVeauX

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Can we re-visit this, in light of the news that the newest models of WD Red NAS 5400RPM HDDs, are using SMR tech for their 2-6TB sizes, according to a public disclosure from WD, as mentioned on Tom's Hardware, and thus, in some customer's applications, the drives are dropping out due to slow write speeds out of the RAID arrays in their NAS units.

As I understand it, the 5400RPM Blue models don't use SMR (yet?), and thus may now actually be a BETTER choice than WD Red for NAS usage.

Can anyone confirm/deny? Have they purchased WD Red drives from 2-6TB in capacity, and found the SMR tech lacking or prohibiting usage in their NAS units?

Because of the outrage, WD is now clearly labeling the drives as SMR if they are. If you go to WD's site, they list which drives are what. SMR will appear in Red, Blue & Black class drives.


There's directly from WD the model numbers that are SMR.

Basically, do not get any of the 2TB or 6TB WD Blue drives that are 3.5" and don't get the 1TB or 2TB WD Blue drives that are 2.5". Don't touch the 500Gb or 1TB Black drives that are 2.5". And for the Red drives, don't touch the 2TB, 3TB, 4TB and 6TB drives in 3.5".

If you always target 8TB drives or larger, you will avoid SMR completely. But when in doubt, look to WD's list, they are reporting their SMR drives by model number.

Very best,