Would the West be better served by a not-for-profit newspaper industry?

yllus

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A 'hybrid' path for saving newspapers

THE INCREASINGLY urgent debate over how to maintain robust news coverage in America during a time when the economic model appears to be collapsing has been taking place on two parallel tracks - for-profit and nonprofit solutions. Each appears insufficient in its own way.

David Swensen, manager of Yale's endowment, has proposed a way to bring the nonprofit approach to scale: Convert struggling newspapers to nonprofits and create large endowments to cover their editorial operations. He has written that for $5 billion The New York Times could be preserved in perpetuity. Steve Coll, president of the New America Foundation, has noted that the Washington Post could be endowed for $2 billion.

Forget for a moment where all those billions would come from. Endowing an entire news staff is a solution that exceeds the dimensions of the problem. Advertising is declining at major newspaper companies, but it is a long way from vanishing. It is a revenue source that needs to be supplemented, not replaced.

Ad revenue would likely still pay for Redskins coverage, but grant money could underwrite that expensive bureau in Baghdad. A newspaper could still raise an endowment to ensure its future. But with ad dollars continuing to flow in, a newspaper like the Post wouldn't need anything close to $2 billion.

This merging of for-profit and nonprofit models faces some serious objections. Why should the tax laws give an advantage to newspapers over other kinds of media? How will the recipients of philanthropic dollars avoid having their news agendas distorted by donor preferences? Would the crutch of donor support hinder the search for new commercial revenue necessary for news organizations' long-term viability?

All are good questions, worthy of debate. But at a time when the prospect of no-newspaper towns is looming, an approach that allows newspaper companies to benefit from both for-profit and nonprofit revenue streams is well worth considering.

If it allows us to both save the ailing newspaper industry and further promote editorial independence, I think that this is an idea worthy of further discussion. In my opinion newspapers do the public a service that's valuable enough to consider supplementing through our taxes.
 

Genx87

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Heh I knew it was only a matter of time until the newpaper industry came crawling for tax payers to foot their bills.

Why is it so difficult for newspapers to follow an advertising model every other website does?
 

sandorski

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For Profit Press(of all Genres) seems to be headed towards failure no matter how you define Success/Failure(other than by Profit). Not sure if going Non-Profit would help in that regard though. Finding someone to pay the Endowment would be the biggest challenge. Although I suppose some kind of Public Appeal might work, at least for some Papers.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Mediums change. Newspapers should die.

Exactly. Chopping down trees to deliver yesterday?s news is SO last century.
 

NoStateofMind

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Mediums change. Newspapers should die.

Agreed, but what about grandma and grandpa who don't know how to turn on a PC? Massive internet training for seniors? Or just saddle them with Fox news?
 

ProfJohn

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Would the West be better served by a not-for-profit newspaper industry

That's what we have now :)
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Mediums change. Newspapers should die.

Agreed, but what about grandma and grandpa who don't know how to turn on a PC? Massive internet training for seniors? Or just saddle them with Fox news?

They can go to another dying medium but newer as it showed up in the 1950's called Television.
 

Genx87

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Heh what is going on with this forum? How could I have responded to PC Surgeon before he wrote his response?!?!?!?!?!?!? This has been happening for the past couple of weeks.

 

ProfJohn

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I think the more important aspect is how the news is going to be changed when the main news gathering force becomes TV networks.

Are we going to see the long and detailed stories ignored and instead have our view of the world reduced to 2-3 minutes stories?
 

n yusef

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think the more important aspect is how the news is going to be changed when the main news gathering force becomes TV networks.

Are we going to see the long and detailed stories ignored and instead have our view of the world reduced to 2-3 minutes stories?

This has already happened.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh I knew it was only a matter of time until the newpaper industry came crawling for tax payers to foot their bills.

Why is it so difficult for newspapers to follow an advertising model every other website does?

Some do. Here in N.VA / DC there is a small paper called The Express. It is free and is handed out at all the metro stops. I read that when i ride to DC everyday.

But it is very small and just report others articles. So it could not replace a full paper.
 

Fear No Evil

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Let just put Obama in charge of the newspapers.. he has already taken control of the banks.. Is there no end to the liberal quest to steal out tax dollars to force their agenda down our throats? Last time I checked there is at least 1 major newspaper in every major city. There are also many national newspapers available for delivery. If some or many of them die, WHO CARES? People can get the NYT, USA TODAY, Washington Post, all of these delivered to anywhere in the country.
 

n yusef

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Mediums change. Newspapers should die.

Same with magazines and snail mail (letter snail mail).

Without print media, how would one read news away from a computer? E-book readers have a long way to come.
 

cubby1223

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Newspapers have failed in giving us unbiased news coverage, *especially* the New York Times. They deserve *no* taxpayer funding. The whole basis of our freedom is that government and media are entirely separated.

If they can obtain private funding, then so be it, private funding can be turned off if the newspaper continues to be a failure. Public funding lasts forever.
 

Lemon law

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For all the criticism the radical right levels at the NYT, its worth noting that the New York Times is also noted for frequently allowing various "conservative" writers to contribute and publish their own OP ED pieces. That way, the reader is exposed to both viewpoints, the viewpoint from the right and the left, and then its up to the reader to decide which take seems to be more valid. And what seems to best describe the facts on the ground.

Very different from the right's version of a newspaper, where any liberal view is regarded as heresy to be burned at the nearest stake.

The fact is, that a newspaper, be it on line or print, can manage to achieve non bias by hosting contrasting versions of biased writers.
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Which conservative newspaper wont let a liberal on the op ed page?
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Turn the question around, which do?
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Are we going to see the long and detailed stories ignored and instead have our view of the world reduced to 2-3 minutes stories?

i think this is the case, news already is being reduced to osundbites
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: cubby1223
Newspapers have failed in giving us unbiased news coverage, *especially* the New York Times. They deserve *no* taxpayer funding. The whole basis of our freedom is that government and media are entirely separated.

If they can obtain private funding, then so be it, private funding can be turned off if the newspaper continues to be a failure. Public funding lasts forever.

the nyt is biased? based on what?
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
For all the criticism the radical right levels at the NYT, its worth noting that the New York Times is also noted for frequently allowing various "conservative" writers to contribute and publish their own OP ED pieces. That way, the reader is exposed to both viewpoints, the viewpoint from the right and the left, and then its up to the reader to decide which take seems to be more valid. And what seems to best describe the facts on the ground.

Very different from the right's version of a newspaper, where any liberal view is regarded as heresy to be burned at the nearest stake.

The fact is, that a newspaper, be it on line or print, can manage to achieve non bias by hosting contrasting versions of biased writers.

Right, it was my mistake, the New York Times led with an article on Abu Ghraib on page 1 for 32 days in a row yet almost never led with any positive news out of Iraq. It was my mistake, the NYT never ran a report on hearsay of a McCain affair in the middle of a Presidential campaign, while killing a story on ACORN's alleged deceitful tactics and connections with the Obama campaign that went against campaign laws. And it was my mistake, the NYT never allowed an editorial strongly implying Bill O'Reilly is a white supremacist for opposing illegal immigration.

Hey, I don't read the Times. I don't live near New York. But there is a reason why the paper is tanking. If you have a better guess, I'd like to hear it. ;)



Whatever, any paper is allowed to write anything they want - then the people decide whether they want to read it or not. But they should _never_ be funded by the government.
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Genx87
Heh I knew it was only a matter of time until the newpaper industry came crawling for tax payers to foot their bills.

Why is it so difficult for newspapers to follow an advertising model every other website does?

Some do. Here in N.VA / DC there is a small paper called The Express. It is free and is handed out at all the metro stops. I read that when i ride to DC everyday.

But it is very small and just report others articles. So it could not replace a full paper.

The Express is a subsidiary of the Wash. Post. Were the Post to die, I don't know if the Express would survive on its own.
 

Mursilis

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Of course, a plethora of information still can't force people to think. If the majority of Americans are spending more time at tmz.com than cnn.com (or your news site of choice), the news business is not going to survive in its current form.
 

OCGuy

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Who is giving these "large endowments"? The paper would be baised to whoever is providing the funding.


Follow the money....