Would most vets consider expensive surgery for a cat with FIV?

CZroe

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The cat has a broken leg. They said it will be $800 to amputate or $1,200+ to operate.

Cats with FIV have much shorter life spans and he has persistent infections that can't be eliminated with antibiotics (full-blown feline AIDS). I can see that causing complications.

This emergency vet doesn't seem to be considering his FIV-positive status. For example, they said he would probably need a rabies shot when his normal vet advised against it (FIV cats should ALWAYS be indoors and are immuno-compromised anyway). Second opinions take time and money, which we are working on, but in the mean time, I was wondering: would most even consider it for an FIV-positive cat or is it recommended against?
 
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Rakehellion

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Many people would say euthanasia is most humane at this point. Persistent incureable infections is not a good match for surgery.
 

nickbits

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I don't think anyone here can put a value on your cat.

I'm not sure I would spend that on my cat and he doesn't have FIV, although he is old (14).

EDIT: I agree with Rakehellion
 
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Newell Steamer

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The cat has a broken leg and FIV. The options you are considering is amputation or surgery.

I can understand you love your cat very much, but, either of these options will lead to more pain and complications for the poor thing.
 

Gooberlx2

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How old is the cat?

You might research how successful these surgeries are for cats with AIDS. I'd guess area shelters would have the best info/most experience with that. For example, I know there's a shelter in Denver that has an AIDS-only room, so their sample size would be greater than the typical vet's office.

If the success rate is low, and/or the expectation for infection and suffering is especially high, then euthanasia might indeed be the better option.
 

IronWing

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The cat has a broken leg. Choose quickly, for the sake of the cat.

If the cat is otherwise strong and the prognosis for recovering from the surgery good, personally I would go for the surgery. FIV cats can live a long time (or not). If the cat is already declining in health then the choice would be much harder. I do not envy you the decision you have to make.
 

alkemyst

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There was a charity www.10thlife.org that along with the vet I used to work for did a lot of research into feline diseases especially FIV and FIP.

FIV is not always a death sentence, many live out normal lives without any symptoms.

IMHO $800 seems high for a simple amputation and a spread of only $400 makes the proper surgery seem like a no brainer. I am assuming these are the emergency vet's estimates which even for simple care is ridiculously expensive (much like a people ER).

Take them to a local vet and/or a shelter-sponsered vet. I used to support a cat colony and my own vet was very high-end so I would take the strays to a place called www.paws2help.com it was much much cheaper and the care was adequate.
 

waffleironhead

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A good vet will lay out all of your options. Pros, cons, and expenses of each and let you decide which course. The question isn't if the vet thinks the procedure is worth it, it's if you think it's worth it.

The expense is high because you went to ER. Call around to some other places and get more prices.
 
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...a spread of only $400 makes the proper surgery seem like a no brainer.

Agreed.

But, man, FIV throws it out of whack. I'm seeing the "humane option" having a pretty strong case.
 

MrColin

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FIV is not always a death sentence, many live out normal lives without any symptoms.

^This.

I work at a vet hospital that would charge roughly double what you were quoted for those procedures. Your cat, can most likely recover from either surgery if it is otherwise healthy. If it has a compound fracture (bone has poked out of the skin) I would recommend amputating. They do fine with three legs.
 

CZroe

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First, to clarify, it isn't my cat. It's my twin brother's. Even so, I spend as much time with it as he does and we both care for it. My brother has been dealing with this all day and I was the first one with the time to ask about this.

Many people would say euthanasia is most humane at this point. Persistent incureable infections is not a good match for surgery.
I don't know how relevant ENT/eye infections are, though. I SUSPECT that FIV may make them relevant but the vet hasn't said anything like that yet.

The cat has a broken leg and FIV. The options you are considering is amputation or surgery.

I can understand you love your cat very much, but, either of these options will lead to more pain and complications for the poor thing.
Can't be sure since the professionals haven't said anything. They haven't even mentioned euthanasia.

How old is the cat?

You might research how successful these surgeries are for cats with AIDS. I'd guess area shelters would have the best info/most experience with that. For example, I know there's a shelter in Denver that has an AIDS-only room, so their sample size would be greater than the typical vet's office.

If the success rate is low, and/or the expectation for infection and suffering is especially high, then euthanasia might indeed be the better option.

We don't really know. The vet says "about three years" but I saw him for many more. I know I saw him regularly in 2008 and probably earlier years earlier, so that age estimate sounds WAY off to me.

He was hiding under the most recently parked cars for many winters before a neighbor caught him and spent hundreds fixing him up. Before that he always ran away no matter how hungry, sick, or bloody he was. Seeing how rough he was, we didn't even consider that he was a Manx and always though his tail was chopped during his harsh life. If you got close enough to see you'd notice that his eyes were always crusted up and you could hear him struggling to breathe through his sickly sinuses. Honestly, I thought he was the most feral cat I had ever seen. Now he's a totally different cat! Seeing him cuddle and show affection makes it seem almost impossible that he's the same ragged cat that would always run (or limp) away at the sight or sound of a human. You couldn't offer him food or warmth or anything.

The neighbor couldn't keep him because he couldn't be around her cats.

The cat has a broken leg. Choose quickly, for the sake of the cat.

If the cat is otherwise strong and the prognosis for recovering from the surgery good, personally I would go for the surgery. FIV cats can live a long time (or not). If the cat is already declining in health then the choice would be much harder. I do not envy you the decision you have to make.

He's a happy, active cat despite the infections. His eyes and ears are always leaking something and his breath stinks because of it. I don't know if that means it is full-blown feline AIDS, but I believe it is. Antibiotics clear it up only during the course and it always comes back so his normal vet recommended against further treatment for the infection.

How'd it break the leg?
Cat did something unexpected that he's only done once prior (when he recognized the neighbor who always takes him to the vet): Hid under blankets. He did this when my brother was in the shower and unexpected visitors began throwing rocks and the window to get his attention. My brother came out rushing to get dressed and sat on the bed to get his shoes on or something and ended up sitting right on the cat. The cat ran off and hid so no one knew how badly he was hurt until much later.

There was a charity www.10thlife.org that along with the vet I used to work for did a lot of research into feline diseases especially FIV and FIP.

FIV is not always a death sentence, many live out normal lives without any symptoms.

IMHO $800 seems high for a simple amputation and a spread of only $400 makes the proper surgery seem like a no brainer. I am assuming these are the emergency vet's estimates which even for simple care is ridiculously expensive (much like a people ER).

Take them to a local vet and/or a shelter-sponsered vet. I used to support a cat colony and my own vet was very high-end so I would take the strays to a place called www.paws2help.com it was much much cheaper and the care was adequate.
It's not an emergency vet in that sense, though it isn't his usual, trusted, vet from much farther away. This actually happened Saturday but he was hiding and we couldn't tell how badly he was hurt until Sunday. Even then we had to wait until the vet opened this morning and we've been dealing with it ever since. The soonest they can do the surgery is Wednesday. They've wrapped him in the mean time.

^This.

I work at a vet hospital that would charge roughly double what you were quoted for those procedures. Your cat, can most likely recover from either surgery if it is otherwise healthy. If it has a compound fracture (bone has poked out of the skin) I would recommend amputating. They do fine with three legs.

FIV pre- or post- progression into feline AIDS?
 
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Azraele

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I rescued an FIV + kitty a year and a half ago. He was very very sick, severely malnourished, and in really bad shape. I brought him in, nursed him, and many months later, he bounced back. He thanks me each and every day, running up to me when he sees me to plant a sloppy kiss on my cheek (yes, he sounds like a dog, lol). He is so happy and so full of life. I have another kitty who got a tummy bug not too long ago, and he got it too. He bounced back faster than she did. FIV is not a death sentence, but I understand your situation is complicated. Listen to your heart.
 

alkemyst

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^This.

I work at a vet hospital that would charge roughly double what you were quoted for those procedures. Your cat, can most likely recover from either surgery if it is otherwise healthy. If it has a compound fracture (bone has poked out of the skin) I would recommend amputating. They do fine with three legs.

You say you work at a vet hospital, are you a vet tech/vet? Compound fractures don't usually warrant amputation unless very severe.
 

bradley

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I rescued an FIV + kitty a year and a half ago. He was very very sick, severely malnourished, and in really bad shape. I brought him in, nursed him, and many months later, he bounced back. He thanks me each and every day, running up to me when he sees me to plant a sloppy kiss on my cheek (yes, he sounds like a dog, lol). He is so happy and so full of life. I have another kitty who got a tummy bug not too long ago, and he got it too. He bounced back faster than she did. FIV is not a death sentence, but I understand your situation is complicated. Listen to your heart.

Aww... you're a good person. Most people run from the darkness or anything from which they cannot immediately benefit. May the higher power bless you. :)
 

MidasKnight

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The cat has a broken leg and FIV. The options you are considering is amputation or surgery.

I can understand you love your cat very much, but, either of these options will lead to more pain and complications for the poor thing.


I would put the cat down. As difficult as that is.
 

MrColin

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Compound fractures don't usually warrant amputation unless very severe.

True, but the risk of infection is greater for open fractures and for an already immune-compromised animal it would be less risky to amputate IMO. Also, the break is pretty close to the joint, making it more difficult to stabilize than if it were in the middle of the bone, and more likely for the repair to fail. Maintaining a cast or splint adds more opportunity for fail over a period of six or more weeks of frequent visits back at the clinic. With amputation they often go home quickly and only need to come back for suture removal.

One thing I've noticed in 12 years of being a vet tech at an ER/specialist hospital is that when people accidentally hurt their own pets they are willing to treat more aggressively and spend more money than if some one or something else caused the injury. They also tend to be more resistant to the euthanasia option. I suppose its the guilt. Try not to let this cloud your judgment.

There are also some hospitals with shareholder focused corporate policy that discourage vets from offering euthanasia even if it is the best option. They'll "refer" hopeless cases to other hospitals to keep their euthanasia numbers down. I'm not going to name names but if the hospital is inside a big-box national chain pet store...

I've seen lots of FIV+ cats recover from lots of different surgeries but none of them were oozing puss buckets. If it was mine and I could comfortably part with the cash and his blood work (other than than the FIV test), especially the CBC and kidney values were close to normal, and his heart and lungs sounded ok, I would definitely go for making him a tripod cat. If not, I would have the nicest people in town euthanize him and not hang around to watch.
 

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I think the vet should take an appraisal of the level of how much exactly is the cat immunocompromised? FIV progresses to feline aids over time if the cat is suffering persistent recurrent infections it is probably aids and I would suggest euthanasia. Sad but best for the cat it's quality of life is already low.
 

JEDIYoda

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I think the vet should take an appraisal of the level of how much exactly is the cat immunocompromised? FIV progresses to feline aids over time if the cat is suffering persistent recurrent infections it is probably aids and I would suggest euthanasia. Sad but best for the cat it's quality of life is already low.
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Mayne

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I hate vets. I had to see my best friend crying his eyes out because his cat got sick over and over..with each visit to the vet costing more and more until eventually he couldn't afford the final surgery.

Emotional vampires if you ask me.
 

Mayne

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Am I allowed to post here? If not I apologize.

Of course you can. You might be looked at suspiciously and banned a few times before they somewhat tolerate your replies/threads.
 

bradley

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Of course you can. You might be looked at suspiciously and banned a few times before they somewhat tolerate your replies/threads.

Hell, that's happening to me right now and I was among the first members of these forums way back in 1997/8, before re-registering in January 2000. :)