Would JFK get the democratic nomination today?

glenn1

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Just wondering if a moderate in the mold of these 2 could make it through the primaries today. Eisenhower's veto of a tax cut and Kennedy's starting of the Vietnam war would definitely represent a challenge to the current day party orthodoxy.......
 

raildogg

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Do you think Democrats are opposed to war? Or are they opposed to war when a Republican is in office? Or are they opposed to war after they agreed to war but then changed their minds? :confused:

One thing I know for sure is that government has gotten huge and is growing.
 

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Let's not forget Kennedy's huge funding of the Space Program. Would this be a popular issue for the Democrats today? I think Kennedy is too articulate to stoop to the level of saying "I hate Bush" enough times to make it past Iowa and New Hamshire.

Eisenhower was big into public works programs (like building highways for example). This would nt be very popular to a modern Republican (unless of course it is public works programs in Iraq).
 

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Originally posted by: glenn1
Just wondering if a moderate in the mold of these 2 could make it through the primaries today. Eisenhower's veto of a tax cut and Kennedy's starting of the Vietnam war would definitely represent a challenge to the current day party orthodoxy.......

The Vietnam War started at the end of WWII when Ho Chi Minh declared independence and France deployed troops to retain their Imperial holdings in Indo China. U.S. backing of the Vietnam War began in the 50s before Kennedy was elected.
 

glenn1

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The Vietnam War started at the end of WWII when Ho Chi Minh declared independence and France deployed troops to retain their Imperial holdings in Indo China. U.S. backing of the Vietnam War began in the 50s before Kennedy was elected.

Fine, substitute Bay of Pigs then. Same principle as Bush's invasion of Iraq (and able to be subject to many of the same criticisms) but less succesful.
 
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Originally posted by: glenn1
The Vietnam War started at the end of WWII when Ho Chi Minh declared independence and France deployed troops to retain their Imperial holdings in Indo China. U.S. backing of the Vietnam War began in the 50s before Kennedy was elected.

Fine, substitute Bay of Pigs then. Same principle as Bush's invasion of Iraq (and able to be subject to many of the same criticisms) but less succesful.

Umm... I don't think you can compare a mission that involved CIA backed rebels trying to overthrow Castro to a full blown military invasion and occupation of another country.

 

BDawg

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Would the man who warned us of the military industrial complex get the Republican nomination? Ahahahahahah!
 

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I don't know about JFK, but Eisenhower would be the LAST former Republican president I'd suggest would get the nomination today. Really look at what he stood for, what policies he supported, he's more anti-Bush than Kerry was. While I wouldn't go so far as to say he'd be a Dem today, I think he'd be closer to the Dems than the Republicans. I mean, the guy supported Social Security and other social programs, was warry of too much government power (especially in regards to the military), and while he didn't directly oppose McCarthy, he was pretty against that kind of political witch hunting.

Plus he was a war hero, and we all know how Republicans feel about them ;)
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Skanderberg
Lincoln wouldn't be much of a modern Republican either.

That's certainly true, although I think the Republicans of today could get on board with his fairly extreme authoritarian views. Of course the Republicans of today were the Democrats (or really, Dixiecrats) of Lincoln's time period, so who really knows.
 

theeedude

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Kennedy would get the nomination and win. He would be a DLC Democrat like Clinton.
Ike would get taken down in the primary like John McCain, and get called a RINO.
 

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Originally posted by: glenn1
Just wondering if a moderate in the mold of these 2 could make it through the primaries today. Eisenhower's veto of a tax cut and Kennedy's starting of the Vietnam war would definitely represent a challenge to the current day party orthodoxy.......

Kennedy's starting of the Vietnam war?

You might want to research thoroughly before you make these kind of statements.

 

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Kennedy yes.
He looked good on TV, was articulate, and had Daddys money. That is all any party needs.

Ike? No way. He didn't have the above, and that would kill him.

Forget the issues, Fluff counts.
 

BriGy86

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Kennedy yes.
He looked good on TV, was articulate, and had Daddys money. That is all any party needs.

Ike? No way. He didn't have the above, and that would kill him.

Forget the issues, Fluff counts.

sadly i have to agree :(
 

Phokus

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Eisenhower warned us against the Military Industrial complex so he wouldn't get the support of the neo-cons and any contributions from the defense industry.
 

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I don't know about JFK, but Eisenhower would be the LAST former Republican president I'd suggest would get the nomination today. Really look at what he stood for, what policies he supported, he's more anti-Bush than Kerry was. While I wouldn't go so far as to say he'd be a Dem today, I think he'd be closer to the Dems than the Republicans. I mean, the guy supported Social Security and other social programs, was warry of too much government power (especially in regards to the military), and while he didn't directly oppose McCarthy, he was pretty against that kind of political witch hunting.

Plus he was a war hero, and we all know how Republicans feel about them

I wholeheartedly agree. Lets not forget that Eisenhower was also a firm believer in a balanced federal budget. Not only did he believe in them, but he actually worked to deliver them. And tax cuts for the rich.... hardly. When Eisenhower left office the marginal tax rate on the highest income brackets was something like 91%. This is from memory, but it is close to correct if not precisely correct. Those of us REALLY old may remember that when the French were losing to the Viet Minh, Nixon (then Eisenhower's VP) favored giving the French a nuclear weapon to use on the Viet Minh. Eisenhower vetoed that. Eisenhower was the ultimate Anti-Bush.
 

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Originally posted by: zendari
I doubt Kennedy would be a proponent of the homosexual agenda, so no.


Jack was the ultimate presidental horndog. If he disapproved of the "homosexual agenda" (whatever that is) it would have been based on political calculations and not a concern for sexual morality. Clinton was a choir boy by comparison.

If you are not aware of what I am talking about, this book documents it pretty thoroughly.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/031636...0053-7345508?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: RMich
I don't know about JFK, but Eisenhower would be the LAST former Republican president I'd suggest would get the nomination today. Really look at what he stood for, what policies he supported, he's more anti-Bush than Kerry was. While I wouldn't go so far as to say he'd be a Dem today, I think he'd be closer to the Dems than the Republicans. I mean, the guy supported Social Security and other social programs, was warry of too much government power (especially in regards to the military), and while he didn't directly oppose McCarthy, he was pretty against that kind of political witch hunting.

Plus he was a war hero, and we all know how Republicans feel about them

I wholeheartedly agree. Lets not forget that Eisenhower was also a firm believer in a balanced federal budget. Not only did he believe in them, but he actually worked to deliver them. And tax cuts for the rich.... hardly. When Eisenhower left office the marginal tax rate on the highest income brackets was something like 91%. This is from memory, but it is close to correct if not precisely correct. Those of us REALLY old may remember that when the French were losing to the Viet Minh, Nixon (then Eisenhower's VP) favored giving the French a nuclear weapon to use on the Viet Minh. Eisenhower vetoed that. Eisenhower was the ultimate Anti-Bush.

Bad quotes, nm.
 

RMich

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Stereotypes? Assumptions? I am not sure what you are even referring to. What I posted was an opinion agreeing with the statement that Eisenhower's policies were almost the complete reverse of those of the Bush administration. The post I replied to contained considerable evidence of that, and I added what I took to be supporting evidence.

As someone who intensely dislikes the Bush administration, I'd be happy to have Ike back.

Whether he could get nominated, I have no idea. Though the first poster said Ike would have no chance, personally, I have no opinion. It would depend on how deeply the Republican party has imbibed Bush's hemlock.

Oh... I see. I could not get the quote thingy to work correctly, so what I quoted appeared to be part of my own post. That, no doubt, is one cause of our somewhat meaningless disagreement. Look a few posts up and you will see my first two paragraphs were quoted from an earlier post.

As for JFK... well, Judith Exner would be on Larry King Live, and that would be that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Exner