Would it be possible to design a USB cable with a round plug?

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Question is in the title. Is it possible to design a USB cable that is round and could be plugged in at any orientation/angle? Basically similar to a 12v adapter that connects to things like a radio or desk lamp? Or is there a reason the cable needs to have a particular shape?
 

DaveSimmons

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But then you'd be able to insert a cable under your desk without needing to try 3 times. Where's the fun in that?
 

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I'm sure it would be possible. It might look a little like this triaxial connector, which has 3 contacts:
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You would need 5 for USB 2, and 9 for USB 3. It might be tricky making it work at high speed due to large capacitance between the contacts. Such connectors would probably be rather expensive.
 

pcgeek11

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Question is in the title. Is it possible to design a USB cable that is round and could be plugged in at any orientation/angle? Basically similar to a 12v adapter that connects to things like a radio or desk lamp? Or is there a reason the cable needs to have a particular shape?

Not possible, too many wires to make pluggable in any orientation or angle.
 

pcgeek11

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Standard phone headphone jack's already have 4 contacts, I can't see that it would be that hard to fit another one.

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Wait, now I see what you mean.

Like this:

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Well I guess it could with the exception of the USB Standard thing. And the power lead would pose an issue with shorting to the wrong pins while inserting while energized. There would have to be some creativity with that issue. This is not a problem with a headphone circuit, but is with a USB Circuit.
 
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HutchinsonJC

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Your 12v dc adapters are providing two connections: positive/negative. One of those can be in the middle/center, and the other on the outside with some kind of insulation between the two contact points. It's fairly easy to implement that.

Additional contact points that USB would require would make it much more difficult to keep the connector round. You could attempt to extend the concept with 3.5mm jacks common with headphones to add additional contacts, but as pcgeek11 points out, you'd have a problem every time you plugged in or unplugged the connector because of power going across contacts where/when power wasn't meant to go across those contacts. With headphones, you might hear the sound of that power going across in the left and/or right headphone on your ears. I'm sure we're all familiar with that little pop sound as you plug or unplug your headphone while wearing them. For headphones, it's not particularly damaging. The electrical current passes across the wrong contacts for a brief moment, and then once fully inserted the power goes through the cable as intended.

For something that's data corruption sensitive, you can't have those misc "pops" of electric current going across the wrong connection points.

Edit: The ipod shuffle cable looks like TRRS on the 3.5mm side. So 4 connection points. I don't know for sure, but I'd guess that the 2nd R (Ring) and the S (Sleeve) are the power leads as they wouldn't go across another connection point when being inserted other than what it was intended to go across.

The T (tip) and the 1st R (Ring) are probably for data (my guess).

They'd have to make a TRRRS (5 connection points) for USB2 and TRRRRRRRS for USB 3. You would almost certainly have to increase the thickness from 3.5mm to something larger to accommodate all those R (Rings)... and it'd probably need to be different in size than 3.5mm or 1/4 in size to prevent someone from inserting something where it doesn't belong.

With the TRS concept, I'd be curious how that would affect data transfer as you'd likely not be able to keep every wire the same length in that huge TRRRRRRRS, and my understanding is that a lot of data travel is reliant on all the cables being the same length... especially at high speeds.
 
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ultimatebob

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I'd imagine that you would have a problem with people trying to jam old laptop power connectors (which are also usually round) into the new circular USB port and either damaging it or shorting something out.
 

piasabird

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When some device/plug is built to a certain standard and every computer has that plug, maybe just leave well enough alone.
 

Genx87

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USB-C replacing USB cant get here fast enough. It is amazing how something that makes sense like USB is also so difficult to plug in blind. Somebody mentioned 3 times is so correct.
 
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I don't think it is possible to change USB connector as it is standard and used widely by people around the world.
 

dullard

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USB-C replacing USB cant get here fast enough. It is amazing how something that makes sense like USB is also so difficult to plug in blind. Somebody mentioned 3 times is so correct.
I agree with your whole post. But I also try to keep in mind how much better USB was than the cables it replaced. Serial port cables also had the difficulty of plugging in blind, they were bulky (very difficult in tight areas), and the screws always seemed to get stuck (not to mention performance and communication setup issues).
 

Mr Evil

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USB Type-C, although not round, is reversible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB-C
Can be plugged in, unplugged, rotated 180 degrees, then plugged back in, with no loss of function.
You can actually get reversible micro-USB cables too. They don't comply with the standard, but they work.

I don't think it is possible to change USB connector as it is standard and used widely by people around the world.
We've already gone through the original USB, mini USB, micro USB, USB3, micro USB3 (all with A, B, and even AB variants), and now C, with varying degrees of success. Adding another one could hardly make it any worse.
 

Genx87

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I agree with your whole post. But I also try to keep in mind how much better USB was than the cables it replaced. Serial port cables also had the difficulty of plugging in blind, they were bulky (very difficult in tight areas), and the screws always seemed to get stuck (not to mention performance and communication setup issues).

That is true. The old perf connections in the 1990s were awful.
 

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Bottom line is, . . . yes, it is possible.