Would Israel attack Iran without U.S. approval?

[Abwx]

Hopefully we can stop them in time.

Lol , promoting imperialism to stop countries from devellopping..?..

You will stop nothing , just expect Iran to become the biggest
ME nation in term of GDP and develloppement and it will be deserved...

 

[piasabird]

Isreal is a sovreign nation and they dont need our approval to attack a terrorist nation hellbent on their destruction who teach their citizens that jews are monkeys!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Just read the whole wiki instead of just the quote, that's the best way to learn...
Man..how you served 6 years Military Intelligence is beyond belief or explains a lot about American Intelligence..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_antisemitism -- show me a Muslim site that denounces that scripture as being taken out of context --
"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:56:791,(Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:177)

To peonyu

You should read up on why so many Jews from a lot of different countries made the trip
When you get offered a better life and a paid for trip, lot's of folks took the deal

I was reading about this Iranian Muslim the other day.

*The 'Iranian Schindler' who saved Jews from the Nazis*
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16190541

You don't get to learn about these people on the JediYoda show

Actually the Jewish schools that I have attended freely mention Abdol-Hossein Sardari and give credit to him for saving numerous Iranian Jews.....I bet what you didn`t know was that besides actually giving Persian passports to some of the Jews. He persuaded the Nazi`s that these Iranian Jews were Iranian first and Jews secondly! That worked for quite a while......
He also used successfully the argument that the Iranian Jews were assimilated to non-Jewish Persians by culture and intermarriage and should not be considered Jews.

Another take on what I said above was -- The story Sardari spun to the Nazis, in a series of letters and reports, was that the Persian Emperor Cyrus had freed Jewish exiles in Babylon in 538 BC and they had returned to their homes. However, he told the Nazis, at some later point a small number of Iranians began to find the teachings of the Prophet Moses attractive - and these Mousaique, or Iranian Followers of Moses, which he dubbed "jugutis," were not part of the Jewish race.
but I am probably telling somebody who really doers not know a whole lot about this person other than the article was about an Iranian who protected/saved Jews during the war....

He was very persuasive and he gets credit in Jewish circles.
There are many more examples of people who you would think would not care about the Jews that also protected them. The bottom line being there is good in everybody.....some more than others.

But the above does not mean that Israel should let down her guard even for a moment!!

Let us hope that if that were to happen to another race that my people would respond in kind.
There are examples of people like Sardari all throughout history. -- Shalom!!

 

[Jhhnn]

Isreal is a sovreign nation and they dont need our approval to attack a terrorist nation hellbent on their destruction who teach their citizens that jews are monkeys!

I'm sure it would be too much to think that this is self parody...

 

[Lemon law]

As Piasdabird asserts, "Isreal is a sovreign nation and they dont need our approval to attack a terrorist nation hellbent on their destruction who teach their citizens that jews are monkeys!"
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But even if we disregard the fact Israel teaches their children Palestinians don't have any human rights, the Piasabird assertion has another huge defect.

Its all well and fine for the USA to say they are neutral regarding any level of Israeli oppression, but when the USA backs Israel with a gazzilion dollars of foreign aid, its somewhat a no brainer that Israel should realize that their are limits past what the USA will permit.

 

[Nebor]

As Piasdabird asserts, "Isreal is a sovreign nation and they dont need our approval to attack a terrorist nation hellbent on their destruction who teach their citizens that jews are monkeys!"
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But even if we disregard the fact Israel teaches their childen Palestinians are subhuman monkeys, the Piasabird assertion has another huge defect.

Its all well and fine for the USA to say they are neutral regarding any level of Israeli oppression, but when the USA backs Israel with a gazzilion dollars of foreign aid, its somewhat a no brainer that Israel should realize that their are limits past what the USA will permit.

That's really not fair... We offer far more in military aid than in straight foreign aid.

 

[cybrsage]

But even if we disregard the fact Israel teaches their childen Palestinians are subhuman monkeys...

They do? Have support for this?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Lemon Law --- Piasbird posted ---As Piasdabird asserts, "Isreal is a sovreign nation and they dont need our approval to attack a terrorist nation hellbent on their destruction who teach their citizens that jews are monkeys!"
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But even if we disregard the fact Israel teaches their childen Palestinians are subhuman monkeys, the Piasabird assertion has another huge defect. ---- Lemon law You changed his quote and mis-represented his quote on purpose with no proof that Israeli`s teach their children that Palestinians are "subhuman monkeys.

Please show me a link or proof that Israeli children are taught that Palestinians are subhuman monkeys.......there must be some proof using the words - subhuman monkeys...

 

[Nemesis 1]

This thing is really getting to be entertainment . The People in washington are insane ,
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_new...audi-arabia-to-buy-nukes-if-iran-tests-a-bomb

 

[Nemesis 1]

Seperation of Church and State . What the Hell . Because of Britts . They setup a religious state . They are insane. Jews today are NOT hebrews they german jews russian jews ect. ect. ect. This is a religious state period and the btitts are responsiable for it.

Israel has vary few hebrew people in it . vary few.

 

[Lemon law]

If JediY wants proof that Palestinians are treated in a inhumane manner by Israel, just examine the Human rights Israel grants to Palestinians in the very land of their birth. As Israeli school children are taught this is proper and customary.

 

[EagleKeeper]

If JediY wants proof that Palestinians are treated in a inhumane manner by Israel, just examine the Human rights Israel grants to Palestinians in the very land of their birth. As Israeli school children are taught this proper and customary.

And what are Palestinian children also taught:whiste:

 

[blankslate]

We're not the boss of Israel. They can do whatever the hell they want.


The more conservative pundits cheered when Netanyahu pushed back on Obama's urging a consideration of borders closer to what they were in 1967

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCHkyo9Qs44

They'll probably cheer if not jizz in their collective pants if and when Iran is attacked

 

[Nemesis 1]

Well its a DEM x president so large salt dose needed but the Dems should have no problem with what he states,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iton9kaijck

 

[Nemesis 1]

This won't ever happen but if it did who would be right who would be wrong .

If the American indian today started a war with USA to reclaim THEIR land . They would be killed for sure . The deeper question is who would be right ??????

 

[JEDIYoda]

If JediY wants proof that Palestinians are treated in a inhumane manner by Israel, just examine the Human rights Israel grants to Palestinians in the very land of their birth. As Israeli school children are taught this proper and customary.

We are not talking about being treated in an inhuman manner....We both know that happens on both sides of the street.

I asked you for proof that Jews teach their children that Palestinians are subhuman monkeys.......your words....after your rewording...
please provide proof of this or perhaps retract your statement.
I am addressing the re-wording that you did with no proof that Jewish children were taught that.

Address that issue please....

 

[JEDIYoda]

If JediY wants proof that Palestinians are treated in a inhumane manner by Israel, just examine the Human rights Israel grants to Palestinians in the very land of their birth. As Israeli school children are taught this proper and customary.

We both know that is a two way street.

What I want to know is where you found any proof at all using these words that you posted in response to piasbird ---that jews taught their children that palestinains were subhuman momkeys!

Please address your wording. Where did you find those exact words??

This not a issue of well those words were used in response to Piasbird stating that palestinians children were taught that Jews are monkeys.

This leads to you backing up not the meaning of what you said but the words you used....which are not true and could be labled literary dishonesty.....

 

[JEDIYoda]

This won't ever happen but if it did who would be right who would be wrong .

If the American indian today started a war with USA to reclaim THEIR land . They would be killed for sure . The deeper question is who would be right ??????

I find it amusing when people use examples concerning other races with different circumstances to try to make a comparison to whats happenning in the middle east. They are two different things with vastly different circumstances.

If we did play the game then why the hell is Israel giving back the conquered lands??

 

[MotF Bane]

And what are Palestinian children also taught:whiste:

Strap bombs to yourself, climb on a crowded bus, blow yourself up, go to paradise to meet 72 Virgins. An excellent education.

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[JEDIYoda]

If JediY wants proof that Palestinians are treated in a inhumane manner by Israel, just examine the Human rights Israel grants to Palestinians in the very land of their birth. As Israeli school children are taught this is proper and customary.

Now that you edited your totaLLY INACURATE statement, we can move forward and possibly agree that this is rediculous to even bring the children into the issue. But they are a part of the equation. In fact they might be the only way to change the misperception on both sides.

 

[Brovane]

EK, are you really so delusional that you believe an Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear sites using conventional explosive will do anything at all. There are well over 30 some Iranian sites all all of them are deeply buried, and beyond the the explosive power of conventional bunker busting bombs to breech.

But Iran, using just conventional missiles and no nukes, is certain to target the Israeli reactor at dismona that still has the same undefendable position that the reactors of Iraq and later Syria had. As history shows, Israel took out both reactors with single sortie of Planes. And now you EK are saying, Iran, using conventional weapons won't take out the equally vulnerable dismona reactor as target counterattack priority number one.

As Jediy says, those are some really fine mushrooms you are smoking,

Because if the Desmona recator is destroyed, its game over for Israel, as their holy land of milk and honey, will instantly become radioactive wasteland land. Sure Israel can make parts if Iran into a glass parking lot, but Israelis will still have no homeland to return to either. And the blame always belongs to the party that attacks first.

What part of mutually assured destruction don't you understand EK? Even Lebanon can now defend itself against Israel,

I do agree that the Iranian nuclear facilities are beyond the reach of the conventional bunker busting bombs that Israeli could deploy on F-15. They could attack facilities enough to delay production but I wouldn't imagine it would be very long delay. On the US has the ability to hit the Iranian nuclear facilities with a big enough conventional weapon to seriously damage them.

Putting a satellite in order is not the same as targeting a missile accurately over thousands of miles to hit as small as target as a nuclear reactor. I doubt that even if Iran launched coventional missiles at Israeli if they could accurately hit the reactor, the CEP would be to high. The only way that Iran could stand a serious chance of damaging the reactor is using nuclear tipped missiles. Even if Iran launches ballistic missiles at Israeli, Israeli has a functioning ABM system that would probably knock the missiles out before they could get to their targets.

 

[Lemon law]

As Brovane asserts, "The only way that Iran could stand a serious chance of damaging the reactor is using nuclear tipped missiles. Even if Iran launches ballistic missiles at Israeli, Israeli has a functioning ABM system that would probably knock the missiles out before they could get to their targets."
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There is no way in my knowledge to prove or disprove the Brovane statement. But we might get answer when put to a real world test.

But still I might add two more reasons to doubt your end statement. (a) The iron dome missile system seem to work well with low and slow cruise type missiles, but the missiles Iran would likely use on dismona would come in high, very very fast, and likely use radar jamming techniques. (2) Earlier on this thread I linked in a article from Haaritz, mentioning that Lebanon may use its perhaps 200,000 missiles against Israel in event of Israeli attacks.

 

[cybrsage]

Seperation of Church and State . What the Hell . Because of Britts . They setup a religious state . They are insane. Jews today are NOT hebrews they german jews russian jews ect. ect. ect. This is a religious state period and the btitts are responsiable for it.

Israel has vary few hebrew people in it . vary few.

You do know that you can be a German and a Hebrew at the same time, right? Just like you can be an Asian and a German, an African and a German, a Caucasian and a German, ad nauseum.

 

[Brovane]

As Brovane asserts, "The only way that Iran could stand a serious chance of damaging the reactor is using nuclear tipped missiles. Even if Iran launches ballistic missiles at Israeli, Israeli has a functioning ABM system that would probably knock the missiles out before they could get to their targets."
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There is no way in my knowledge to prove or disprove the Brovane statement. But we might get answer when put to a real world test.

But still I might add two more reasons to doubt your end statement. (a) The iron dome missile system seem to work well with low and slow cruise type missiles, but the missiles Iran would likely use on dismona would come in high, very very fast, and likely use radar jamming techniques. (2) Earlier on this thread I linked in a article from Haaritz, mentioning that Lebanon may use its perhaps 200,000 missiles against Israel in event of Israeli attacks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_(missile)

The Iron Dome system is for short range rocket attacks. The Arrow system is what would engage long range missile attacks. Israeli has three different type of ABM systems, Iron Dome, Patriot and Arrow system. All of them would engage different types of inbound threats.

 

[JEDIYoda]

but the missiles Iran would likely use on dismona would come in high, very very fast, and likely use radar jamming techniques.

I believe you are giving Iran way to much credit......radar jamming..lolol