Would i notice much of a difference going from a 9800XT to an X800 AGP?

[PaperclipGod]

Topic.

 

[Tates]

Most definitely

Now that being said, if you've lasted this long, another 6 months wont matter and PCIe is definetely the way to go. Hell, you can get a nVidia 6600GT for about $50 now that blows both those cards away.

 

[PaperclipGod]

Really? The 6600GT is better than both? Is it AGP? I dont quite have the money saved up for a new system yet, but a lot of the games id like to play are getting bogged down on my 9800xt, so i thought id try to get a new card as a stopgap untill i upgrade the whole system.

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod
Really? The 6600GT is better than both? Is it AGP? I dont quite have the money saved up for a new system yet, but a lot of the games id like to play are getting bogged down on my 9800xt, so i thought id try to get a new card as a stopgap untill i upgrade the whole system.

A 6600gt is slightly faster than a 9800xt (about 10%).

I'm not sure it would best any x800 series of cards.

Which x800 series were you planning to upgrade to?

 

[BassBomb]

6600GT will not beat X800

 

[PaperclipGod]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod
Really? The 6600GT is better than both? Is it AGP? I dont quite have the money saved up for a new system yet, but a lot of the games id like to play are getting bogged down on my 9800xt, so i thought id try to get a new card as a stopgap untill i upgrade the whole system.

A 6600gt is slightly faster than a 9800xt (about 10%).

I'm not sure it would best any x800 series of cards.

Which x800 series were you planning to upgrade to?

I didnt have a preference for any card really, i just thought one of the x800's would be the best AGP card i could get. Any recommendations? Id like if it were less than $100.

 

[Tates]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod
Really? The 6600GT is better than both? Is it AGP? I dont quite have the money saved up for a new system yet, but a lot of the games id like to play are getting bogged down on my 9800xt, so i thought id try to get a new card as a stopgap untill i upgrade the whole system.

A 6600gt is slightly faster than a 9800xt (about 10%).

I'm not sure it would best any x800 series of cards.

Which x800 series were you planning to upgrade to?

Anandtech's Head to Head: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro vs. NVIDIA GeForce 6600GT

(9800Pro vs 9800xt is neglible except at higher resolutions)

The 6600GT is much more than slightly faster. And the results show it beats the x800 Pro.

I've owned all these cards, and I prefer the 6600GT.

My point is that you can search the FS/FT forums and probably pick up an AGP one for $65 or less, PCIe's for $50 or less. Or for that matter, the x800 Pro for the same. Whatever flavor appeals to you.

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: Tates

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod
Really? The 6600GT is better than both? Is it AGP? I dont quite have the money saved up for a new system yet, but a lot of the games id like to play are getting bogged down on my 9800xt, so i thought id try to get a new card as a stopgap untill i upgrade the whole system.

A 6600gt is slightly faster than a 9800xt (about 10%).

I'm not sure it would best any x800 series of cards.

Which x800 series were you planning to upgrade to?

Anandtech's Head to Head: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro vs. NVIDIA GeForce 6600GT

(9800Pro vs 9800xt is neglible except at higher resolutions)

The 6600GT is much more than slightly faster. And the results show it beats the x800 Pro.

I've owned all these cards, and I prefer the 6600GT.

My point is that you can search the FS/FT forums and probably pick up an AGP one for $65 or less, PCIe's for $50 or less. Or for that matter, the x800 Pro for the same. Whatever flavor appeals to you.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_6600_gt_agp/default.asp

The 6600gt does not beat a x800pro. It only did in Doom3, which if you benchmarked it today, the x800pro would beat a 6600gt by a good margin because of Ati's new opengl fixes. What I see in the link you provided is the x800pro losing out in Doom3 and beating a 6600gt pretty well in every single other benchmark

The 9800xt performs very close to the 6600gt when playing at resolutions of 1024x768 and higher with AA/AF.

Are you sure you aren't talking about the 6800gt?

 

[Captante]

It depends on which X800 you intend to upgrade to ... an x800 Pro would be enough faster to notice it & if it was really cheap might be worth it, however an X800XTPE would be a huge boost & is one of the fastest AGP card ever made, beating out the 7600GT AGP & matching the 7800GS in many benchmarks.

 

[Tates]

Originally posted by: Captante
It depends on which X800 you intend to upgrade to ... an x800 Pro would be enough faster to notice it & if it was really cheap might be worth it, however an X800XTPE would be a huge boost & is one of the fastest AGP card ever made, beating out the 7600GT AGP & matching the 7800GS in many benchmarks.

Only drawback is lack of SM3 support.

 

[Munky]

The x800 series vary in performance by a wide margin depending on the model, but all are faster than a 6600gt. I've first upgraded my 9800xt to a x800 (vanilla), and I saw about a 25% increase. Then I upgraded to a 16-pipe x800gto OC'd over xt pe speeds, and it easily was 2x as fast as a 9800xt. You can see some benches of cards from that generation here:
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hard...eon_x800_x800_xl/10/#abschnitt_far_cry

 

[Tates]

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: Tates

Originally posted by: sisq0kidd

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod
Really? The 6600GT is better than both? Is it AGP? I dont quite have the money saved up for a new system yet, but a lot of the games id like to play are getting bogged down on my 9800xt, so i thought id try to get a new card as a stopgap untill i upgrade the whole system.

A 6600gt is slightly faster than a 9800xt (about 10%).

I'm not sure it would best any x800 series of cards.

Which x800 series were you planning to upgrade to?

Anandtech's Head to Head: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro vs. NVIDIA GeForce 6600GT

(9800Pro vs 9800xt is neglible except at higher resolutions)

The 6600GT is much more than slightly faster. And the results show it beats the x800 Pro.

I've owned all these cards, and I prefer the 6600GT.

My point is that you can search the FS/FT forums and probably pick up an AGP one for $65 or less, PCIe's for $50 or less. Or for that matter, the x800 Pro for the same. Whatever flavor appeals to you.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_6600_gt_agp/default.asp

The 6600gt does not beat a x800pro. It only did in Doom3, which if you benchmarked it today, the x800pro would beat a 6600gt by a good margin because of Ati's new opengl fixes. What I see in the link you provided is the x800pro losing out in Doom3 and beating a 6600gt pretty well in every single other benchmark

The 9800xt performs very close to the 6600gt when playing at resolutions of 1024x768 and higher with AA/AF.

Are you sure you aren't talking about the 6800gt?

Yep, my goof. It was close behind the x800Pro.

My point was and still is providing some insight to the OP's original question.

He's waited so long, if he wants more power today, he can get either nvidia or ATI flavors for cheap that will out muscle his old card. If he waits another 6 months he'll be able to pick up a 7600GT for under $100, or a x1800gto, or whatever.

 

[PaperclipGod]

Hey, thanks for all the info everyone, it's been a big help.

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: Tates

Originally posted by: Captante
It depends on which X800 you intend to upgrade to ... an x800 Pro would be enough faster to notice it & if it was really cheap might be worth it, however an X800XTPE would be a huge boost & is one of the fastest AGP card ever made, beating out the 7600GT AGP & matching the 7800GS in many benchmarks.

Only drawback is lack of SM3 support.

Whoops ... knew I left somthing out!

 

[PaperclipGod]

Hey guys, do you think this guy would be offended if i offered him $100 for his x850?

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=1&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

Seems like he's been trying to sell it for a while @ $150, so...

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod
Hey guys, do you think this guy would be offended if i offered him $100 for his x850?

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=1&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

Seems like he's been trying to sell it for a while @ $150, so...

I think that would be fair.

But like Tates said, you can buy a 6600gt that would give you a better price/performance ratio.

 

[PaperclipGod]

Thanks. But wait a sec, i thought someone said the 6600 gt performed about as well as the 9800xt?

Ugh, ive been out of the loop for so long i feel like such a newb. :/

 

[sisq0kidd]

Originally posted by: PaperclipGod
Thanks. But wait a sec, i thought someone said the 6600 gt performed about as well as the 9800xt?

Ugh, ive been out of the loop for so long i feel like such a newb. :/

Oh snap. I was the one who said that lol.

I lost sight of what you were upgrading from.

The ATI x800 series and the Geforce 6 series in any variant are worth no more than $130 used. At least that's what I would pay for it.

 

[sisq0kidd]

Bargain with this guy for his x800xt PE.

Worth it for the silencer too.

 

[PaperclipGod]

lol ok, thanks

 

[blues02]

I upgraded from a PNY 6600GT to a Sapphire X800GTO (Which is OC'ed and has 16 pipes unlocked) and the X800 is noticeably faster at higher resolutions (over 1024x768) and with AA due to the 256 vs 128 bit memory bus I think, and the 16 pipes(12 standard) vs 8 probably helps too. It's just a faster card that has more head room at higher rez. I'd wait for the x1950Pro AGP for $229 in January.

 

[imported_Kiwi]

Originally posted by: Tates

Hell, you can get a nVidia 6600GT for about $50 now that blows both those cards away.

So very wrong. I have all three. The 9800 XT is superier to the 6600 GT in everything I've tried both on (similar MB's/ CPU's, of course).

The fact that I avoid action games, especially shooters, mean I tested with the likes of NWN2 and Oblivion, and the 6600 GT is lousy at doing shaders compared to what ATI has been capable of since the 9500 Pro first came along.

ATI was headed for a unified pixel handling system all the way back when nVidia had their awful FXes; the ATI shader architecture has remained ahead of nVidia's since the 9700 Pro, certainly. Only with the 8800 has nVidia foinally seen the light, and followed ATI's (and Microsoft's) lead. Any time shader functions are heavily involved, nVidia falls out of the running by comparison. In order to match ATI speed, they sacrifice way too much image quality. Visit any of the current CRPG forums (Gothic 3, NWN2, Oblivion), and see which cards generate the most annoyance level.

Now, the 6800 GT is another thing compared to that 6600 GT, and lands in the middle of the X800 line's wide dispersal, well above the 9800 XT. Remember, folks, the 6600 GPUs, including the GT, are 128 Bit memory, not 256 like the 6800, 9800, and X800 (shader-based games use various size texture segments, and the 128 Bit memory system cuts the 6600 GT out of using the better Large Textures). My X800 happens to be the XT-PE, and it remains quite fast even today.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Kiwi

Originally posted by: Tates

Hell, you can get a nVidia 6600GT for about $50 now that blows both those cards away.

So very wrong. I have all three. The 9800 XT is superier to the 6600 GT in everything I've tried both on (similar MB's/ CPU's, of course).

The fact that I avoid action games, especially shooters, mean I tested with the likes of NWN2 and Oblivion, and the 6600 GT is lousy at doing shaders compared to what ATI has been capable of since the 9500 Pro first came along.

Now, the 6800 GT is another thing, and lands in the middle of the X800 line's wide dispersal, above the 9800 XT. Remember, folks, the 6600 GPUs, including the GT, are 128 Bit memory, not 256 like the 6800, 9800, and X800. My X800 happens to be the XT-PE, and it remains quite fast even today.

Major shens man ..

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=190&card2=36#

The 6600GT is marginally faster than the 9800XT overall. Not faster enough to warrant an 'upgrade', but jeez. As for the 256-bit vs 128-bit aspect, that gets thrown out the window when you consider the raw calculating performance of the cards. Just look at the real world benchmarks of the cards in game situations.

Maybe you had an experience with the regular 6600, which is waaaaay slower than GT.

Btw, the 6600GTs generally have a lot more overclocking room than the 9800XTs also, as the 9800XT is basically stock overclocked 9800Pro w/better cooling and some minor core tweaks.

The 9800XT is a very good card already, and you'll get no argument from me that going from it to a 6600GT would be a waste of time and money, due to the minimal performance increase. Still, it IS faster.

The X8xx AGP cards are the way to go for cheap/fast performance upgrades on AGP. 7600GS/GT are also excellent, but command a hefty price premium at this time. 6800XT is also a good cheap choice.