Would Dell know if I flashed my 9800 NP to Pro?

[MrMiyagi]

I got the 3.3 ns Samsung RAM and was thinking about flashing. But, lets say the card breaks in 8 months (I've had a lot of fans fail on cards before...they just shipped me a new ones). Are they going to know that it was flashed, and hence tell me I voided my warranty?

Thanks

 

[Robor]

Just save the original BIOS and flash it back if you ever have a problem. If you can't get into it to flash it then chances are they can't get into it to know it was flashed.

 

[Jeff7181]

Translation: If I ruin my card by overclocking it, can I get a new one, or will Dell be able to find out it was my fault?

If you can't afford to replace something you ruin, and you don't know what you're doing, don't overclock anything. The more free stuff companies have to give away for reasons like this, the more it costs people like me when I want to buy one.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Translation: If I ruin my card by overclocking it, can I get a new one, or will Dell be able to find out it was my fault?

If you can't afford to replace something you ruin, and you don't know what you're doing, don't overclock anything. The more free stuff companies have to give away for reasons like this, the more it costs people like me when I want to buy one.

Oh come on, that's *NOT* what he said. Everyone knows the 9800NP with Samsung memory is an easy flash to a Pro. How many people on here have ruined their cards by flashing them? Maybe I'm wrong when I say zero but I've not seen any posts about it yet. And, even in the slim chance the card can't handle the core/memory speed he can always flash the original BIOS back on it.

 

[Jeff7181]

I don't care how easy it is, or what you can do with it if it doesn't work, or what everybody knows. Bottom line is when you do that you VOID THE WARRANTY. If you try to get it replaced for free, that is in my opinion, stealing.

 

[Blackroot]

I don't think they could see, or that they would look carefully enough to notice, but i don't really know.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Robor
Just save the original BIOS and flash it back if you ever have a problem. If you can't get into it to flash it then chances are they can't get into it to know it was flashed.

exactly

 

[MrMiyagi]

Translation: If I ruin my card by overclocking it, can I get a new one, or will Dell be able to find out it was my fault?

I speak (type) perfectly good English my friend, you don't need to translate anything for me...but thanks for your effort.

I don't care how easy it is, or what you can do with it if it doesn't work, or what everybody knows. Bottom line is when you do that you VOID THE WARRANTY. If you try to get it replaced for free, that is in my opinion, stealing.

You're entitled to your opinion. I remember a thread a month ago where some dude was going to keep returning 9800 NP's to Best Buy until he got the good RAM. Someone didn't like that idea and it started an argument.

My bottom line.... The few people who mod and subsequently break their hardware (returning it under warranty) are contributing a negligent cost to you when you purchase your next brand X PC.

Thanks everyone else I'm gonna give it a go.

 

[lordtyranus2]

negligent cost to you

Exactly. To billion dollar companies this makes no difference. It might add on fractions of a penny to other store purchases.

 

[GullyFoyle]

You meant to say negligible.

 

[nRollo]

Exactly. To billion dollar companies this makes no difference. It might add on fractions of a penny to other store purchases.

So it's OK to steal from people/companys who have a lot money "Lord"Tyranus? Good logic there, you must be a proud "man".

 

[lordtyranus2]

So it's OK to steal from people/companys who have a lot money "Lord"Tyranus? Good logic there, you must be a proud "man".

I haven't actually done it, so no proud "man" yet. But, if they are going to make 1 version of a product (say samsung 2.8) CLEARLY better than another (infiniteon 3.3), I claim my right to buy only the better product of the 2.

This is slightly different from breaking a card via overclocking, but its a similar principle. If my card breaks, I would simply claim its due to the fact that I don't have the proper RAM chips.

 

[MrMiyagi]

You meant to say negligible

LMAO. Obviously I don't "speak (type) english perfectly well."

HeHe

 

[nRollo]

But, if they are going to make 1 version of a product (say samsung 2.8) CLEARLY better than another (infiniteon 3.3), I claim my right to buy only the better product of the 2.

This is slightly different from breaking a card via overclocking, but its a similar principle. If my card breaks, I would simply claim its due to the fact that I don't have the proper RAM chips.

<shakes head in disbelief at what our society has come to>
LordTyranus, it works like this:
1. It's just as wrong to steal from Bill Gates as it is Homeless Joe. It's still stealing.
2. Companies produce products and warrant them to work at their stated specifications. Just because you think they should work at different specifications does not give you the right to steal.
3. Big company or not, you are stealing the work other men/women do for a living. It's wrong to steal other people's work, even if you can get away with it.
4. OCing is variable due to a number of factors, not just "getting the right RAM" chips.

BTW- there is no "billions" of dollars for ATI, it's millions. They usually lose millions every quarter. So every card some doofus burns up OCing and RMAs adds another $20> to the amount of money they lost that quarter. They don't have some "huge profit margin" you're stealing out of, they're losing money already and you're just making it worse.

This attitude disgusts me. If I would have done things like this when I was a kid my Dad would have beat my a$$.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Rollo

But, if they are going to make 1 version of a product (say samsung 2.8) CLEARLY better than another (infiniteon 3.3), I claim my right to buy only the better product of the 2.

This is slightly different from breaking a card via overclocking, but its a similar principle. If my card breaks, I would simply claim its due to the fact that I don't have the proper RAM chips.

<shakes head in disbelief at what our society has come to>
LordTyranus, it works like this:
1. It's just as wrong to steal from Bill Gates as it is Homeless Joe. It's still stealing.
2. Companies produce products and warrant them to work at their stated specifications. Just because you think they should work at different specifications does not give you the right to steal.
3. Big company or not, you are stealing the work other men/women do for a living. It's wrong to steal other people's work, even if you can get away with it.
4. OCing is variable due to a number of factors, not just "getting the right RAM" chips.

BTW- there is no "billions" of dollars for ATI, it's millions. They usually lose millions every quarter. So every card some doofus burns up OCing and RMAs adds another $20> to the amount of money they lost that quarter. They don't have some "huge profit margin" you're stealing out of, they're losing money already and you're just making it worse.

This attitude disgusts me. If I would have done things like this when I was a kid my Dad would have beat my a$$.

Rollo, i COMPLETELY agree with you, but you gotta admit stealing from M$ (or ati) hurts them a lot less than stealing from homeless joe

 

[lordtyranus2]

2. Companies produce products and warrant them to work at their stated specifications. Just because you think they should work at different specifications does not give you the right to steal.

And the product I am looking for is a 9800 np with samsung 2.8 ram. If they aren't going to label them and give me one, I have to do the searching on my own, and RMA as needed.

4. OCing is variable due to a number of factors, not just "getting the right RAM" chips.

It's certainly 1 of those many factors.

 

[Bad Dude]

So to some of you guys that stealing is OK provided that the company is rich enough? This is exactly the same as those who are on welfare when they are really healthy and decide that they don't want to work? Or those families that don't want to work and the women keep on spreading their legs so they will qualify for welfare? How about those illegal imigrants in CA that can get a driver license beginning of Jan. 2004? Grave Davis want to keep his job so bad that he committed treason against his own country. How is this going to effect the insurance rate?
How about those Terrorists that attack us in the name of religion? We all should know by now that bibles are written by men and men can change things to favor his views. So does this justify that the bible is just another book? Or should it be a medium in school? Of course not. Why? B/c we don't always read the same book. Even if we do, we all understand it differently.
What about those from the ghetto or less fortunate ethnic backgrounds, who keep yelling out prejudice? Well we all know, America went through 3 wars for independence, one with the English, one in the civil war, one presently with the Middle East. We have won the first two, we are winning the third. If we all have any sense at all, there were or are more white people who died and served in the military than any other ethnic backgrounds. And I don't see they yell prejudice but yet they have every right to do so. NO, I am not caucasian, but I recognize the sacrifices. And I am greatful.
So guys, please if it does not feel right, don't do it.
Good weekend to you all.

 

[Vonkhan]

never mind the philosophical craptrap in this thread dude ...

go ahead and flash it ... it'll work fine. It wont break in 8 months. Even if it does, screw Dell ... it screws its customers enuf. U'll feel the same way once u call up their tech support and gotta deal with an accent that u wont understand.

 

[lordtyranus2]

go ahead and flash it ... it'll work fine. It wont break in 8 months. Even if it does, screw Dell ... it screws its customers enuf. U'll feel the same way once u call up their tech support and gotta deal with an accent that u wont understand.

So true.

 

[Corporate Thug]

So to some of you guys that stealing is OK provided that the company is rich enough?

last year i bought a HP laptop, after a few weeks it stopped booting into windows. i called them, they had no clue what was going on and basically said "figure it out yourself". seems to me they kinda screwed me there, wouldnt you say? if these companies are willing to screw you over, they should get a taste of their own medicine

 

[nRollo]

go ahead and flash it ... it'll work fine. It wont break in 8 months. Even if it does, screw Dell ... it screws its customers enuf.

How does Dell steal from anyone? Even if they did, that would make it OK for you to steal from them. Sure.

U'll feel the same way once u call up their tech support and gotta deal with an accent that u wont understand.

It surprises me to see such pure unadulterated racism on Anand Lai Shrimpi's site. Do you starch those sheets Vonkhan, or just let them drape naturally?

 

[Jeff7181]

MrMiyagi... I didn't mean to say don't mess with your card. Go ahead and flash it. Try to get the most you can out of it since you overpayed for a Dell. But... IF it does fail... it's is immoral to request a new one free of charge since you were running your card out of manufacturer specifications. Just because Dell overcharged you for the computer, doesn't mean you can screw them right back. You knew what you were buying when you bought it, and you obviously know overclocking of ANY kind voids your warranty, otherwise you wouldn't have asked this question.

 

[Vonkhan]

It surprises me to see such pure unadulterated racism on Anand Lai Shrimpi's site. Do you starch those sheets Vonkhan, or just let them drape naturally?

I'm Indian myself, I HAVE trouble understanding my own countrymen's accents sometimes whats ur point???

Allow me to narrate an anecdote from Mark Tully who was BBC's India corresspondednt forever:

While travelling in an Indian train, I was listening to a few travellers talk in Hindi (the main Indian language) as the many years in India had given me rudimentary skills with the language. All was fine until they switched to talking in English - at that point, I could no longer follow the conversation.

 

[TerryMathews]

Originally posted by: shady06
Rollo, i COMPLETELY agree with you, but you gotta admit stealing from M$ (or ati) hurts them a lot less than stealing from homeless joe

You're a Democrat, aren't you? :disgust:

 

[Viper96720]

They do now lol