Would Bruce Lee own every UFC/K1/etc fighter out there?

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Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: psteng19

Bruce Lee's punches are not a normal fighter's punches.
Any blow he lands would disable his opponent.

He was strong for his size, but he was only 140 lbs. He's not going to pack the punch of a 200 lb guy. His muscles were still human muscle, he's not a alien.
That's right....physics can't be denied. Who's punch would hurt you worse, Bruce Lee at a high rate of speed, or Mike Tyson, at maybe a bit slower speed, but with more mass behind the punch?

Like with cars, would you rather get T-boned by an Austin Mini running 45 mph or a Suburban running 40mph?

That depends on whether or not I can dodge the Suburban. ;)

And if the Austin Mini had the ability to leap up and crash directly into your windshield.

That too.
 

JackBurton

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When you round house a ~400lbs monster (Bob Sapp) in the mid section and he goes down like a rock, I'll put my money on the guy throwing the kick.

Cro Cop > ALL
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: CadetLee
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: psteng19

Bruce Lee's punches are not a normal fighter's punches.
Any blow he lands would disable his opponent.

He was strong for his size, but he was only 140 lbs. He's not going to pack the punch of a 200 lb guy. His muscles were still human muscle, he's not a alien.
That's right....physics can't be denied. Who's punch would hurt you worse, Bruce Lee at a high rate of speed, or Mike Tyson, at maybe a bit slower speed, but with more mass behind the punch?

Like with cars, would you rather get T-boned by an Austin Mini running 45 mph or a Suburban running 40mph?

That depends on whether or not I can dodge the Suburban. ;)

And if the Austin Mini had the ability to leap up and crash directly into your windshield.

True, but a larger man can absorb more punishment, and generally speaking, a good big man will beat a good little man nearly every time.
I have no doubt that Lee would probably land more punches, as most little guys would.....but the big guy could absorb more, and if the big guy was good, there's no way the little guy is going to dodge all of his punches.....and the big guy doesn't need to land as many to incapacitate his opponent.
Now sure, put someone like Lee or any other superb little man against a crappy big man and the little man will win....but is both are equally proficient, then advantage=big man.
 

OulOat

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Once again, I maintain my opinion that UFC is a joke. UFC has too many rules. Bruce may not be able to beat a UFC guy if he is constrained with those rules, but in a real fight he would go for the eyes, nose, throat, or balls first. Hard to fight if you're blind, or if Bruce is twisting your balls.

Fighting is not fighting if neither party are not afraid for their lives. Man invented weapons for a reason. This is why street fighting is more interesting to watch than that televised crap; in street fighting, there is a pretty high probabilty that both parties are going to end up in the hospital, and if we are lucky enough, someone will end up in the morgue.
 

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: psteng19

Bruce Lee's punches are not a normal fighter's punches.
Any blow he lands would disable his opponent.

He was strong for his size, but he was only 140 lbs. He's not going to pack the punch of a 200 lb guy. His muscles were still human muscle, he's not a alien.

martial arts is not about size. Back when I was taking shotakan, people my age (albeit waay more advanced than I was at 14) could break concrete with their bare hands. These people train not to fight like they do in the UFC and grapple, but rather to kill in one hit. Bruce Lee is respected as the best martial artist in asia, and thus can easily take out any slow but powerful opponent based on speed and agility alone.

I'd like to see how well any UFC fighter reacts to punching 6 stacked cement blocks in front of them. Bruce Lee's punch will absolutely break their skulls
 

Shlong

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If he trained for it he would probably be lethal in MMA, but the style of fighting in movies don't translate in the octagon/ring. Bruce was a smart guy so he could probably pick up all the different styles (brazilian jiu-jitsu, boxing, wrestling, etc) & create an even more lethal style. In his weight class he would be unstoppable.
 

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Mixed opinion from me... A good big man will crush a very good little man...

But, if the little man can win with one blow... then it's a toss-up.
 

kreactor

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yes master bruce is skilled in the deadly art of dim mak

veeeeeeetor belfort is the man tho
 

Conky

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Bruce Lee is dead so he couldn't own nuttin.

P.S. Mike Tyson woulda owned him hard back in his prime. Boxers always own in their prime... there is no tougher fighter besides a gun fighter.
 

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Originally posted by: jtusa4
Bruce's speed and agility was unmatched and if he were alive and in his prime today, would still be unmatched. That man was supernatural.

He was something else, for sure. :(
 

KingNothing

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Originally posted by: MantisFistMonk
Are you serious? Silva would dismantle Bruce. Sakuraba, and there are probably a grip of other people that could.

But Wanderli Silva comes to mind first.

Don't get me wrong, Bruce is great. I have rare footage of... ugh I just check I lost it. Anyways, I had rare footage of him full contact sparring etc. And he fought then like he did in his movies. Quick in control aggressive on point and powerfull but c'mon, let's be realistic, he would not be able to hang with the best MMA fighters of today.

http://216.40.244.4/highlights/30-WanderleiSilvaHQ.zip

Wow, the background song in that video is by John Butler Trio. That's so cool!
 

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Bruce Lee was not just strong for his size/weight - he was ABNORMALLY strong. I remembering reading about some of the stuff he did.

Lee's feats of strength are the stuff of legend; from performing push-ups - on one hand! - or thumbs only pushups, to supporting a 125-pound barbell at arms length in front of him (with elbows locked) for several seconds, or sending individuals (who outweighed him by as much as 100 pounds in some instances) flying through the air and landing some 15 feet away as a result of a punch that Lee delivered from only one-inch away, the power that Bruce Lee could generate -- at a mere bodyweight of 135 pounds -- is absolutely frightening. Not to mention some of his other nifty little habits like thrusting his fingers through full cans of Coca-Cola and sending 300 pound heavy bags slapping against the ceiling with a simple side kick.

One article I read a while ago involved Bob Wall (from Enter the Dragon) and he described how thye got a VERY heavy heavy bag (like the one noted above) for Bruce as a joke - thinking it would be too much for him. He put it up in his garage and hung it from the rafters. After awhile, he ended up kicking it so hard the garage actually collapsed.

In addition, lots of Bruce Lee's philosophies and own practices were the basis of MMA. He mixed and matched to find what was the most effective. I would say a man who could do the above things would have a VERY good chance of seriously injuring or hurting someone, especially if he was caught up on his grappling.
 

Jeff7181

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I don't know how effective grappling would be against Bruce Lee... I mean... it's kinda hard to grapple when you get your jaw dislocated or knee's broken when you get within a leg's distance.
 

Baked

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Originally posted by: MantisFistMonk
Ok so I have to ask.

What do any of you really know about fighting?

I use Law in Tekken. That good enough for you?
 

jinduy

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Originally posted by: Greyd
Bruce Lee was not just strong for his size/weight - he was ABNORMALLY strong. I remembering reading about some of the stuff he did.

Lee's feats of strength are the stuff of legend; from performing push-ups - on one hand! - or thumbs only pushups, to supporting a 125-pound barbell at arms length in front of him (with elbows locked) for several seconds, or sending individuals (who outweighed him by as much as 100 pounds in some instances) flying through the air and landing some 15 feet away as a result of a punch that Lee delivered from only one-inch away, the power that Bruce Lee could generate -- at a mere bodyweight of 135 pounds -- is absolutely frightening. Not to mention some of his other nifty little habits like thrusting his fingers through full cans of Coca-Cola and sending 300 pound heavy bags slapping against the ceiling with a simple side kick.

One article I read a while ago involved Bob Wall (from Enter the Dragon) and he described how thye got a VERY heavy heavy bag (like the one noted above) for Bruce as a joke - thinking it would be too much for him. He put it up in his garage and hung it from the rafters. After awhile, he ended up kicking it so hard the garage actually collapsed.

In addition, lots of Bruce Lee's philosophies and own practices were the basis of MMA. He mixed and matched to find what was the most effective. I would say a man who could do the above things would have a VERY good chance of seriously injuring or hurting someone, especially if he was caught up on his grappling.

unless i see a video or some sort of proof from a credible source, i call shens.
 

Baked

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Originally posted by: kreactor
yes master bruce is skilled in the deadly art of dim mak

OMFG, that's the funniest thing I've heard all day. Does Bruce Lee even know how to do that?

 

neilm

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Actually, would be nice to see some video footage of Bruce in action, if anyone has it?
 

gigapet

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Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Bruce Lee is dead so he couldn't own nuttin.

P.S. Mike Tyson woulda owned him hard back in his prime. Boxers always own in their prime... there is no tougher fighter besides a gun fighter.

mike tysons chicken legs would have been snapped like twigs before he got a swing in.

Bruce Lee > *



 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Bruce Lee is dead so he couldn't own nuttin.

P.S. Mike Tyson woulda owned him hard back in his prime. Boxers always own in their prime... there is no tougher fighter besides a gun fighter.
You're kidding, right? I was a HUGE Mike Tyson fan, but realistically speaking, boxers don't stand a chance against REAL fighters (K-1, UFC, Pride fighters). I will wager my home that Royce Gracie (170-180lbs) will submit Tyson (~214lbs in his prime) REALLY quickly. Tyson would be REALLY lucky if he doesn't come out of that fight without a broken limb.
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Bruce Lee is dead so he couldn't own nuttin.

P.S. Mike Tyson woulda owned him hard back in his prime. Boxers always own in their prime... there is no tougher fighter besides a gun fighter.
You're kidding, right? I was a HUGE Mike Tyson fan, but realistically speaking, boxers don't stand a chance against REAL fighters (K-1, UFC, Pride fighters). I will wager my home that Royce Gracie (170-180lbs) will submit Tyson (~214lbs in his prime) REALLY quickly. Tyson would be REALLY lucky if he doesn't come out of that fight without a broken limb.
I think it was Chuck Norris who was asked who would win, a martial arts fighter or a boxer, and his reply way "whichever one was better at their sport".
All these folks saying that Lee would have broken someone's jaw or knee forget that any pro fighter he faced wouldn't just stand there and wait to be hit.
And Lee couldn't just simply attack a pro boxer or MMA fighter...he'd have to worry about their attacks, too.
There is a reason that he never fought publicly. He wanted to maintain the mystique....he could always brag about being the baddest man in the world (and he did that) if he never had to prove it.
Now that he's gone, because he died young he's a legend, and people believe the myth he perpetuated.
Look at all the famous people who died young that have legends far exceeding what they really were, in any business.
Jimi Hendrix comes to mind. If he had lived less than 10 more years, it would have been obvious that guitarists like Eddie Van Halen could blow him away.....but he died when he was popular, and the legend grew from there.
Same with Lee. He was popular and well thought of when alive, but his prowess only grew to mythic proportions after his death.
Had he lived, and continued to refuse to actually fight anybody, it's doubtful we'd be having this discussion.