Would anybody be amenable to a stickied Recommended PSUs List?

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: rise
JohnnyG, you hit the nail on the head. although you're wrong in that nobody listens to you.

i'd personally like to see you, Zep and Galv put together a thread, lock it up and be done with it. i don't think there's be much complaing about a list you guys compiled. break it into some price ranges and a brief description with links.

dfi has an A,B,C list if i recall. i'm not commenting on the quality/content of their list, but the set up is decent.

anyway, thats imo.

nah leave just Johnny on the thread. Some people have made there bed and have decided to lie down in it. End of Story!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: CreepieDeCrapper

Originally posted by: rise
JohnnyG, you hit the nail on the head. although you're wrong in that nobody listens to you.

i'd personally like to see you, Zep and Galv put together a thread, lock it up and be done with it. i don't think there's be much complaing about a list you guys compiled.

break it into some price ranges and a brief description with links.

dfi has an A,B,C list if i recall. i'm not commenting on the quality/content of their list, but the set up is decent.

anyway, thats imo.

i agree, if only a few of the "high knowledge" members collaborated on such a guide, i believe it would be effective and, although biased to some degree (everything is that's communicated by humans), it would at least maintain a pretty high level of integrity and dare i say "absoluteness"

Define high knowledge?? Concerning PSU`s YES Johnny is the man!!
Concerning diatribe about OEMs and PSU`s that are manufactured by other companies and the high cost of some PSU`s not taking into account others have no problems paying the cost..we leave the thread to Johnny....now those Johnny collaorates with that is his buisness......too many fingers in the cookie jar makes crumbs out of the cookies!!

becuase of those 3 listed GV and Zap and Johnny they all 3 are knowledgeable but Johnny is more open concerning rebadged...OKIA.....things that others would label crappy...should I go on? Probably not!! Have fun!!

 

[skooma]

Jedi, you're contradicting yourself, You ask to define knowledgeable and then agree that all three that I listed are in fact knowlegeable.

If you think one or each of them have an agenda, well, thats why there is three. They're all adults and I'm sure they could stay focused on the goal, whch is to provide a basic "recommended" list.

"Too many fingers"? We're talking three people. Hell, all three may tell us to go to hell. It was just a suggestion.

Don't make it into more than it is. We're not trying to solve world hunger here

And for the love of God, just proof your posts a little bit. What is "distribe"

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: skooma
And for the love of God, just proof your posts a little bit. What is "distribe"

Be careful. You might have to invoke Godwin's Law later.

 

[skooma]

LOL, its Your thread Howard, I'm not wanting to close it

hmm, i found a definition for it. never heard that before. I stand by my statement thoguh :laugh:

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: skooma
Jedi, you're contradicting yourself,

No I am not contradicting myself at all...I do agree that all 3 are knowledgeable in some ways about PSU`s! BUT-- they all are not on the exact same page concerning there opinions about various PSU`s

You ask to define knowledgeable and then agree that all three that I listed are in fact knowlegeable.
To some degree that is true...but all 3 donot even agree on what the best or worse CAP`s used in a PSU are. They certainly will not agree on what the best PSU`s is. They also won`t agree on what the best medium proced PSU is. They cannot even agree on whether to by a OEm PSU or to but a rebadged PSU from the same company that builds the OEM!!
The only thing they will agree on is that Johnny knows his stuff when it comes to PSU`s!!

If you think one or each of them have an agenda, well, thats why there is three. They're all adults and I'm sure they could stay focused on the goal, whch is to provide a basic "recommended" list.
Thats not a very intelligent excuse....thats why there are 3? there doesn`t need to be 3 when Johnny has no agenda other than to be open minded and to distribute facts not conjecture!

"Too many fingers"? We're talking three people. Hell, all three may tell us to go to hell. It was just a suggestion.
Exactly.....3 people equals 30 fingers!! In other words 1 is enough!! We don`t need anymore people mesisng with perfectly fine cookies!!

Don't make it into more than it is. We're not trying to solve world hunger here
Who is we?? Do you speak for anybody other than yourself? maybe you have a mouse in your pocket!Sorry..Only Johnny needs be involved!! The fact that responded to what I said means your making it more than what it is!

And for the love of God, just proof your posts a little bit. What is "distribe"

This is the internet its not a doctrinal thesis...grow up!!

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

skooma your new here and Howard you may have forgotten. For some, thier PSU is the point in the material world, to which thier soul is connected. Like Descartes' example of the pineal gland. It is our "precious bodily fluids", as Robert Ryan said in Dr.Strangelove.

Imagine finding out your soul was attached to the label of rebranded *horror*. PCP&C is made by Win-Tact in China and uses mediocre capacitors, labled TEAPO. *further shock & horror*. Fact is many, including my new Enhance ENS-0560G use TEAPO with no problem...Well the problem is I can buy two of the 0560s for the price of one pcp&c 510, with change left over for a movie date. *more horror, moving to anger*

Now consider the 510 has only 34/38A@12V, is 75% efficient and is a rebrand.
The 0560 has 42/45A@12V, is 77% efficient and is made by Enhance.

The above poser/poster is further frustrated by the fact that a $199 PSM-0660P Zippy would crush the 510 with ease, it still costs less and and is filled with Rubycon & United Chemicon(Japanese) caps. Dang it would piss me off too. Shucks! To be made a fool of, to have worshipped a false god.

This anger has been directed my way many times and I refuse to engage a child in a pissing contest. If you reread the PSU thread that used to be stickied in GH, it can be seen who the asshats are/were. *shrugs*

So Howard, this will not work....Well it would if the little dictator was in charge, but he would have to post in his stickied thread all alone..Hey..Wait..That's a good idea. Some folks need that because they can get in a fight in an empty room.. Man!! Whatcha think. Nah, don't say nothing, the anger will spill over to you if you do express an opinion. Hey!! Are we hostage to the temper tantrems of an old child.......Nah, not me

BTW: There are many VG rebranded PSUs, PCP&C is but one of many.


...Galvanized

 

[skooma]

Holy sheet, that post made me :laugh:

I still think a collaboration of 2/3/4 members would work well. :shrug;

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: skooma
Holy sheet, that post made me :laugh:

I still think a collaboration of 2/3/4 members would work well. :shrug;

I have to go brush my good tooth and watch the news with ma'dog.
So this thread will be checked in the AM. Don't burn down the house.

Howard, I'll PM you anything of interest reguarding comp power. I have several decent links you might like to rewrite to make your's. Good solid info that's not over tech. Info must be understood to teach/learn and that's where jonny is VG indeed.


...Galvanized

 

[JEDIYoda]

Imagine finding out your soul was attached to the label of rebranded *horror*. PCP&C is made by Win-Tact in China and uses mediocre capacitors, labled TEAPO. *further shock & horror*. Fact is many, including my new Enhance ENS-0560G use TEAPO with no problem...Well the problem is I can buy two of the 0560s for the price of one pcp&c 510, with change left over for a movie date. *more horror, moving to anger*

Now consider the 510 has only 34/38A@12V, is 75% efficient and is a rebrand.
The 0560 has 42/45A@12V, is 77% efficient and is made by Enhance.

See what I mean by meaningless diatribe?
Even JohnnyGuru has stated that he has had no problems with TEAPO CAP`s!!
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jonnyGURU -- I've had no issues with JEE. Must be like Teapo... Depends on who you ask.
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Originally Posted by yanz
@JEDIYoda,
IIRC, once a guy on ocforums said something about failure caps (teapo) and he said pcp&c response that they promise not to use the caps again.

I was thinking all along that the newer pcp&c would be teapo-free. Do you have a PCP&C PSU? What's the production date? What caps inside it, Teapo, (J)PCE-TUR or what?
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Even Operandi has stated that he doesn`t consider PC Power & Cooling to be rebadged at all!! Considering they have there own engineers as well as testing each and evert PSU before shipping!!
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Imagine my amazement when a supposed expert in whats rebadged cannot even explain why PC Power & Cooling has built such a reputation for quality and workmanship if in fact TEAPO CAPs are so shall we say crappy?

Thus we have the continuing saga of the TEAPO caps when if you think about those of us who own a PC Power & Cooling PSU are probably to CHEAPO to pop the cover and see if yanz was correct in his assertion that PC Power & Cooling told somebody they would not be using TEAPO Caps!
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Then we have even more thoughts on the use of TEAPo CAPs--
OklahomaWolf states--Zippy/Emacs makes their own PSU's - I've never seen any proof connecting them to PC P&C. There's a lot of proof for Win-Tact however... the Turbocools often have Win-Tact's logo on the PCB's or heatsinks.

Sparkle also used to supply PC P&C both before and after Sparkle was bought by Fortron-Source. Not sure which models specifically.

I have a theory about Teapo - I believe they hold up somewhat better in a PC power supply than when they are used to filter vcore in a mainboard. My Fortron FSP530-60GNA is all Teapo - never had a single problem with it, and it's almost two years old.

Makes sense though PC P&C is not using Zippy... Zippy is already quite expensive (due in part to not cutting corners on the caps), and PC P&C wouldn't make as much $$$ using them as they do Win-Tact, which uses "good enough" caps

Also other people on these forums have stated thjat ER or efficiency ratings are not everything....hmmm......GV you have been one of those people in the past..hmmm..

More diatribe I would guess....

The main question would continue to be -- Does PC power & Cooling for certain based on a recent dissection of one of there power supplies still use TEAPO CAP`s?

If so then explain the reputation for quality workmanship?


Don`t dance around the question with the sorry excuse of quantity verses percentages or well I have never owned one so I really have no clue.

After all to have such a harsh opinion on such a quality power supply really does back up my assertion -- well as far as GY goes there really is only room for Johhny and Zap to collaborate.

After all its hard to set aside personnal misconceptions!

 

[Fullmetal Chocobo]

JEDIYoda, good demonstration about why we won't ever be able to have a thread that can't be locked there. I have no problems with your posts usually, but when they get into the fanboi defend PC P&C at all costs sh!t, it's rediculous. Man, come on. There's no need for that. PM the fanboi crap. Please.

I just can't read PSU threads here at AT anymore... They just turn out being an embarrassment to the community, and it's unfortunate for those that give a damn.

 

[DerwenArtos12]

Originally posted by: Fullmetal Chocobo
Good demonstration about why we won't ever be able to have a thread that can't be locked there. JEDIYoda, I have no problems with your posts usually, but when they get into the fanboi defend PC P&C at all costs sh!t, it's rediculous. Man, come on. There's no need for that. PM the fanboi crap. Please.

I just can't read PSU threads here at AT anymore... They just turn out being an embarrassment to the community, and it's unfortunate for those that give a damn.

A PSU thread could exist because there are a few around here who do give a damn and are knowledgeable enough to leave fanboism out of it. I've not seen GY go on a rant about a PSU he found incredible and unbeatable. Everytime I've gone to him with questions he either answers based on his experience or points me to someone who can. JG is one of the ultimate sources for PSU info but, for him to make one on his own would leave it open to a lot of speculation. JY and I have both agreed on things and been knife to throat on others because of his tendancies to find something he likes and blindly support it. Howard, to my knowledge is quite good and leaving the fanboism out of it. I think there are way too many specific factors that go into choosing a power supply to make it reasonable to have one article that definatively can point a person to a specific powersupply or small group of powersupplies.

For example, Seasonic makes great power supplies, one of the better on the market but, when combined with my DFI nf4 ultra-d cannot keep any of the rails at greater than 90% of rated voltage. Put it in a system with literally 3x as many hard drives and 1.5x as much ram but with a gigbyte board and it is rock solid.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Honestly Fullmetal Chocobo its come to the point where instead of arguing or debating things that are solely subjective at best I probably should have just let it ride and not responded to the misinformation being regurgitated all over the place.
Yet there are people who will make decisions based on mindless diatribe or dribble from certain individuals!
nuff said!!

But as far as Johnny taking this upon himself; let johnny pick and choose those who he could work well with and not throw any fanboy crap into this.


My examples were fair and truthful concerning how some people think or for lack of better words are in flexible.

I have stated that if somebody wants to buy an Antec PSU and they are happy eith that decision then thats all that counts.
But, if that same person says they are looking at purchasing an Antec PSU is there anything else they should consider now that opens the door...

yet we have supposedly knowledgeable people who will say such nonsesense as okay so you like johndoe brand and yes it has good specs but did you know that FSP Group makes that same PSU using ther company name? We`ll you might at well go with the FSP Group instead just because that way you are NOT getting a rebadged PSU..

Well you and I both know that is just play dribble nothing more!

Then and you know I am correct about this next point...so your PSU uses TEAPO CAP`s.p\Okay now show mw where using TEAPO CAPs has hindered the reliability and the quality or even the reputation of what I am using?

THE ONLY REASON FOR USING MY PARTICULAR BRAND OF PSU IS BECauSE THAT IS WHAT I AM 100% FAMILIAR WITH.

Also its what was attacked by somebody who is considered to knowledgeable concerning such things when in fact they have no hands on clue with my PSU and TEAPO CAPs. If in fact that is what is still being used.
I am not one to tell somebody else because your PSU uses TEAPO CAP`s its not a good PSU!!

But you can bet that`s not how others think. Its obvious by how they respond to trutful criticism!

Then again this just is not fanboy stuff!

I donot see any proof from GY refuting any of my statements because quite frankly he cannot refute whats is said concerning the reliability and quality of said PSU!!!

Again his experience with TEAPO CAP`s -- hmmm!
My experience if indeed that is what they are still using -- priceless!

JEDIYoda, good demonstration about why we won't ever be able to have a thread that can't be locked there. I have no problems with your posts usually, but when they get into the fanboi defend PC P&C at all costs sh!t, it's rediculous. Man, come on. There's no need for that. PM the fanboi crap. Please.

I just can't read PSU threads here at AT anymore... They just turn out being an embarrassment to the community, and it's unfortunate for those that give a damn.

I totally agree with you!! Thats why only Johhny should have contribute to the thread directly or pick those he feels comfortable with!

IMO-- peeps who have something to say could contribute by messaging johnny and letting johnny who is the most unbiased and open minded person I know screen what is posted on his sticked thread!

Actually do we really need a PSU thread.....

Last post on this thread-- have fun peeps!!

 

[jonnyGURU]

I think this is another good place for a "Nevermind" post.

You guys let me know when you're done and how you'd like me to help.

Meanwhile, I've got an Andyson AD-800, Seventeam ST-500EAZ and a few Silverstones to review.

 

[skooma]

Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
I think this is another good place for a "Nevermind" post.

You guys let me know when you're done and how you'd like me to help.

Meanwhile, I've got an Andyson AD-800, Seventeam ST-500EAZ and a few Silverstones to review.

WOOT!!

 

[skooma]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
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To some degree that is true...but all 3 donot even agree on what the best or worse CAP`s used in a PSU are. They certainly will not agree on what the best PSU`s is. They also won`t agree on what the best medium proced PSU is. They cannot even agree on whether to by a OEm PSU or to but a rebadged PSU from the same company that builds the OEM!!
The only thing they will agree on is that Johnny knows his stuff when it comes to PSU`s!!

Jedi, again, this is a "recommended list. The best psu would consist of one model, no? Kind of a short list

There are plenty of good psu's in different price ranges that i think they'd all be in agreement with.

dfi's format would be nice if it was cleaned up some.

Don't worry, I'm sure PCP&C will make the list. Maybe "C" level :Q

 

[jonnyGURU]

Hmm.... I didn't realize that David reformatted his list so it was more like mine:

http://www.jonnyguru.com/ratethebrands.html

 

[skooma]

Yours keeps timing out on me :{

 

[jonnyGURU]

Yeah. I found out someone linked me on TechSpot so my server's getting slammed. I'm asking them to change the link to my blogspot since I don't pay for that traffic!

 

[skooma]

Yeah, it's working now Yours is better. :beer:

 

[jonnyGURU]

Yeah. I had to have TechSpot change their link and then reboot the server!

 

[pkme2]

The best of two worlds, PSU Inquisitor and jonnyGURU.com
http://www.psuinquisitor.com/
I think this covers it.

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: skooma

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
[......
To some degree that is true...but all 3 donot even agree on what the best or worse CAP`s used in a PSU are. They certainly will not agree on what the best PSU`s is. They also won`t agree on what the best medium proced PSU is. They cannot even agree on whether to by a OEm PSU or to but a rebadged PSU from the same company that builds the OEM!!
The only thing they will agree on is that Johnny knows his stuff when it comes to PSU`s!!

Jedi, again, this is a "recommended list. The best psu would consist of one model, no? Kind of a short list

There are plenty of good psu's in different price ranges that i think they'd all be in agreement with.

dfi's format would be nice if it was cleaned up some.

Don't worry, I'm sure PCP&C will make the list. Maybe "C" level :Q

skooma, you seem to be able to understand this high lighted "die-a-tribe" of the pcp&c maniac. Could you find it in your heart to translate it for us.

jediyokel has stated he speaks four languages but his English is incredably poor and we do post here in English after all.

If I were rude, Pulp Fiction comes to mind. English! Mother f****r.! Do you speak it.!

It's a sad day when the pcp&c E-pee-pee dies :brokenheart:

skooma, there are SMPSs in the design stage that can't be talked about ATM that will make most that's currently on offer seem very dated in less than two years Mainboards are out that are capless and use digitel VRMs & Fets (Iwill). Aluminum caps out that offer filtering w/o use of electrolyte. Many boards & cards use Sanyo OS-CON polymer caps, these have a very long service life & do a VG job of thier task. Much of this tech will be moving to the higher end PSUs in the next few years. How will I feel about my Enhance and Zippys then *shrugs* if they still do the job...Fine. If not they get replaced. It's not like I'm desecating some silly sacrament when they get modded, sold or discarded.

If you want any of my advice, direction, links or experiance, feel free to PM me. As the "Thread Killer"loves getting full attention in SMPS threads.

If you search Howard's stickied PSU Thread in FI you can read my further opinons on the matter at hand there. I chanced being banned for what I posted in that thread but it was worth it. I still stand by what I said.

Enjoy!!


...Galvanized

 

[skooma]

Yeah, i missed that FI thread. Good stuff

Too bad that thread got killed

Thanks for the PM offer, I'm sure I'll take you up on it as I'll be building again soon