Worth getting a 15k-rpm drive?

[Kaido]

If you had money to burn, would it be worth it to get a 15k-rpm drive, or are the new 10k-rpm Raptors just as good?

 

[JonnyBlaze]

yes, if you have the money. id love to own a 15k drive.

 

[Bobthelost]

Nah, i'd just stick Raptor 150s in RAID0.

 

[Kaido]

The other option is ramdisks in raid, using the Gigabyte i-ram pci ramdisk card. Those are pretty fast, but you're really limited on space. About the biggest you can get is 16gb before you run out of PCI slots

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Kaido
The other option is ramdisks in raid, using the Gigabyte i-ram pci ramdisk card. Those are pretty fast, but you're really limited on space. About the biggest you can get is 16gb before you run out of PCI slots

You'll just have to build a different PC for every couple of games

 

[LOUISSSSS]

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
Nah, i'd just stick Raptor 150s in RAID0.

i'm sure if you were given a choice regardless of price you'd choose a 15k scsi over any raptor or any raid.
just because you dont have the money for it doesn't mean you shouldn't suggest false facts.
the right 15k would spank the raptor in windows boot times and game loads for a little more. i had the same decision to make and i would have made the decision of the 15k scsi over the raptor, but due to my problem in my off-topic post i'll have to wait a little while for the upgrade to my computer

imo, if price isn't or is a minor factor, i'd go 15k for the high end rig

 

[wpshooter]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
Nah, i'd just stick Raptor 150s in RAID0.

i'm sure if you were given a choice regardless of price you'd choose a 15k scsi over any raptor or any raid.
just because you dont have the money for it doesn't mean you shouldn't suggest false facts.
the right 15k would spank the raptor in windows boot times and game loads for a little more. i had the same decision to make and i would have made the decision of the 15k scsi over the raptor, but due to my problem in my off-topic post i'll have to wait a little while for the upgrade to my computer

imo, if price isn't or is a minor factor, i'd go 15k for the high end rig

I agree.

 

[Luckyboy1]

I'd wait until I went to a SATA2 capable mommaboard before burning anything.

 

[Kakumba]

Heh, I would love 15k RPM SCSI drives. and a sound proof enclosure for it (man, by the time you ahve a few of those in RAID, the noise is just not fun) but you will need a few for a good amount of storage (havent really seen any big 15K drives), and at over a grand for a 74 gig Seagate Cheetah over here, its DAMN pricey.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles

Originally posted by: Kaido
The other option is ramdisks in raid, using the Gigabyte i-ram pci ramdisk card. Those are pretty fast, but you're really limited on space. About the biggest you can get is 16gb before you run out of PCI slots

You'll just have to build a different PC for every couple of games

Haha, nah - just keep the non-game-loaded Ghost of the original OS/driver install on a backup hdd, then restore the image every time you want to load up a few new games

 

[wpshooter]

Originally posted by: Kakumba
Heh, I would love 15k RPM SCSI drives. and a sound proof enclosure for it (man, by the time you ahve a few of those in RAID, the noise is just not fun) but you will need a few for a good amount of storage (havent really seen any big 15K drives), and at over a grand for a 74 gig Seagate Cheetah over here, its DAMN pricey.

A grand, boy, where do you live ? Sounds like you need to move to the land of the free and the home of the brave !!!

 

[Kakumba]

Originally posted by: wpshooter

Originally posted by: Kakumba
Heh, I would love 15k RPM SCSI drives. and a sound proof enclosure for it (man, by the time you ahve a few of those in RAID, the noise is just not fun) but you will need a few for a good amount of storage (havent really seen any big 15K drives), and at over a grand for a 74 gig Seagate Cheetah over here, its DAMN pricey.

A grand, boy, where do you live ? Sounds like you need to move to the land of the free and the home of the brave !!!

Haha, New Zealand. I love it here, but the computer prices SUCK. heck, Ill make a thread about it, so you can see.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS

Originally posted by: Bobthelost
Nah, i'd just stick Raptor 150s in RAID0.

i'm sure if you were given a choice regardless of price you'd choose a 15k scsi over any raptor or any raid.
just because you dont have the money for it doesn't mean you shouldn't suggest false facts.
the right 15k would spank the raptor in windows boot times and game loads for a little more. i had the same decision to make and i would have made the decision of the 15k scsi over the raptor, but due to my problem in my off-topic post i'll have to wait a little while for the upgrade to my computer

imo, if price isn't or is a minor factor, i'd go 15k for the high end rig

How was he suggesting false facts? The guy asked a question that is as much preference as anything, and Bobthelost just responded with his opinion. Considering that the cost for those RAIDed Raptors can be less than a single 15K SCSI drive (after you factor in costs of a controller card, etc.), it does make sense.

Also, while reading through the storagereview website, I have to agree with what one of the writers over there was saying. Just because its specs say its better doesn't make it better. He was pointing out how people were saying that a single 15K SCSI drive would tear apart any of the Raptor drives, but that its not really true because where those drives excel at and are aimed for is servers, which have very different data queing than a single user computer does. Just check out the benchmarks here to see that a Raptor 150 fairs pretty well against the SCSI drives.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

you're right, just because benchmarks say something is better its definately not. infact, all benchmarks are wrong and we shouldn't look at them at all. just because my P4 is spinning at 2400mhz its not really slower than my other p4 3800mhz. oh and my opteron @ 1.8ghz is definately faster than my opteron @ 2.2ghz nomatter what benchmarks say. and $600 for 2 150gb raptors isn't more expensive than a single fast 15k scsi.
/end ramble
OP do some more research. 15k>10k : xtx>xt : gtx>gt : 3.2gtx>2.0ghz. think about this. and if you dont believe me do some research via google

 

[insename2]

yea but you'll be paying 300+ just for 30gb worth of storage in raid0 (including scsi adaptor)

 

[Yoshi911]

Dual post of VVVV

 

[Yoshi911]

you can get several 15k 18gb drives for a pritty reasonable price, even 36gb for that matter; and though I have a raptor (found it at a good price) I would totally get a 15k. The only issue is if you dont have onboard SCSI than the bandwidth issues are quite limiting in a PCI slot, and PCI-E scsi cards run about 300 low end

 

[LOUISSSSS]

fujitsu 36gb 15k $175
SCSI 68pin PCI adapter $50
if you have the money u can get 2 of those hdd's for blazing speed and raid if you're interested
probably cheaper but quickest and easiest way to find prices was newegg. do some shopping around

 

[remagavon]

I used to have 2 15,000 U320 scsi disks along with a hardware raid controller with 128mb of onboard memory. The heat and noise were not worth it to me for the performance. I'd probably look into a new raptor, or even 2 of the 400GB 16mb cache drives in Raid 0.

The fastest aspect of it was formatting and installing windows. I believe it took around seven minutes or so to install windows with the total installation taking around 11 minutes.

 

[OSX]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
fujitsu 36gb 15k $175
SCSI 50pin PCI adapter $17
if you have the money u can get 2 of those hdd's for blazing speed and raid if you're interested

It would be fast if the 50 Pin SCSI cable would FIT in the first place.

Fujitsu 15K u320 uses a 68 pin cable.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
you're right, just because benchmarks say something is better its definately not. infact, all benchmarks are wrong and we shouldn't look at them at all. just because my P4 is spinning at 2400mhz its not really slower than my other p4 3800mhz. oh and my opteron @ 1.8ghz is definately faster than my opteron @ 2.2ghz nomatter what benchmarks say. and $600 for 2 150gb raptors isn't more expensive than a single fast 15k scsi.
/end ramble
OP do some more research. 15k>10k : xtx>xt : gtx>gt : 3.2gtx>2.0ghz. think about this. and if you dont believe me do some research via google

Uh, ok?

You didn't follow my link I take it?

Its something I didn't think I'd ever make a point of when talking about Raptors, but why would you spring for a 15K drive that only has 36GB when you can get close (if not possibly better) performance from a 10K drive that has almost 5 times the storage capacity for about $50 more? You wouldn't have to use up an PCI slot either.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

yes i did ignor your link. sorry. maybe because i read the OP. "if you had money to burn".

 

[obeseotron]

If you really have money to burn you might consider it, but it will be very expesive. 15K drives run loud and hot. Even if you do have money to burn RAIDing some 150GB raptors sounds like a better idea.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
yes i did ignor your link. sorry. maybe because i read the OP. "if you had money to burn".

Like I pointed out just because that 15K RPM drive should be faster doesn't mean it actually is. For a single user computer (games, etc.) the Raptor beat its SCSI competition in all but two tests and was 3rd and 4th fastest in those.

I mean, take for instance you say that a Ferrari would be much much faster than a semi-truck, then you decided you'd see which is faster at hauling 10,000 lbs. Kinda changes the outcome doesn't it? Which is why the Raptors are better single user drives than SCSI drives because of the fact that SCSI drives are designed to be used in servers, an environment where they're used considerably differently.

 

[LOUISSSSS]

please compare apples to apples not race cars to 18wheelers, why not just compare it to a trailer home. on the plus side u can live in the trailer home so it must be better. are you telling me those server based processors suck as consumer processors.. i think they're called... opterons? yea thats it. those suck. they should have left those as strictly server processors. btw 15k scsi drives should be left as server hdd's also cuz theyre too slow for consumer users. =\