Worth downgrading to an upcoming i5 3570k or an i5 2500k?

Dave3000

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I currently have an i7 3930k / Asus P9X79 Pro combo with 16GB DDR3-1600. I upgraded from an i7 2600k and use my PC for work, internet, and gaming. I regret upgrading to an i7 3930k even though I could afford it. I didn't see any visual improvement in frame rates in gaming, in one game got about 4% faster frame rate, and around 20% faster load times, not worth the money I spent on the upgrade. I was thinking that while I can still return the motherboard since the return policy for motherboards is longer than the CPU return policy at the store I bought it from and maybe sell my i7 3930 for around $520 shipped.

I have a squealing problem during hard drive activity sometimes, most noticeable running HD Tune or loading up FSX, with sound coming from the motherboard around the CPU area. Squealing from the board happens when I turn on C1E, C3, C6, or C7-states in the BIOS but I found a couple of workarounds to the squealing problem but at the expense of only having the 6-core turbo boost multiplier working and not have other higher turbo multipliers available, but then I have a good exuse to return the board because of the squealing sometimes during hard drive activity. I'm hardly gaining anything with my upgrades for my purposes. I thought FSX would run smoother, and in fact I had to tweak FSX.cfg file to get it to run at around the same smoothness as the 2600k I used to have.
 

Kingmer

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sell my i7 3930 for around $520 shipped.


Microcenter currently has i7 3930 for $499.00
 

LagunaX

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MicroCenter has he 2600k for $199 but most are gone:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2239046

The 2500k is no 2600k (4 vs. 8 threads) and I wasn't impressed with the 3570k:

Got mine!
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To quote Shania Twain concerning the retail 3570k Ivy Bridge I tested,
"that don't impress me much..."
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?280318-i5-3570k-not-bad-but-a-little-disappointed...
And it just wasn't only me:
http://forums.aria.co.uk/showthread.php/100021-3rd-GEN-Intel-CPU-Semi-Stable-Testing-*Preview*-56K-WARNING
 

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You could definitely save a boatload of $$$ by getting a 1155 setup. Do you use multi-GPU? If not, then even more $$$. I think the 2600k is great if you can find one cheap.
 

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I decided not to downgrade. It was too late to return my motherboard, I thought it was 30 days for motherboards but it is only 15 days for motherboards as well. This topic seems to be transitioning out of topic, so excuse me. I guess I can live with the workarounds for the squealing problem. Only with one of the workarounds I can only get the 6-core turbo multiplier which is 35x on my 3930k, and that's the one workaround where I disable all CPU C-States in the the BIOS. I can still use EIST and set CPU power saving in Windows power management if I want lower power consumption during idle. If I want all turbo multipliers but almost no squealing, I can set a static vcore for my CPU and can turn on C-states options in the BIOS. Is it bad to run at the full load normal v-core when CPU is at idle frequency?

I only get a quiet squeal in the Crystal Disk 4k QD32 Write test and it changes tone, and only with my SSD, not with my mechanical hard drive. I also had a similar problem with my Intel DP67BG motherboard with C1E enabled(no C1E option is the BIOS in this board but it's enabled by default) when in Crystal Disk mark with a quiet squeal in the 4k write test instead of the 4k QD32 write test on my SSD and disabling C-States and C1E(through a program called Throttle Stop) got rid of the squeal in Crystal Disk Mark on my SSD. Didn't happen on my Intel X25 SSD.
 
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Don Karnage

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Don't let the bad numbers so far coming out influence you on ivy. At 4.6ghz with an H80 I max out at 74C after an hour of playing bf3. Only time temps skyrocket is in IBT
 

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I'm not worried about Ivy Bridge temperatures as I might not go back to socket 1155. I still have my old socket 1155 motherboard on the shelf and it's 22nm CPU-ready according to the BIOS. But then again I'll lose too much money just selling my i7 3930k and keeping my socket 2011 motherboard since it's to late to return the motherboard for a refund. I'm not selling the motherboard with a squealing problem when C-states are enabled and if it's possible that I could sell it I most likely would get very little for the motherboard because of this problem. This means too much money would be lost and then very little to show for if I go Ivy Bridge according to the amount of money I spent on my 3930k and P9X79 Pro.
 

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I'm not worried about Ivy Bridge temperatures as I might not go back to socket 1155. I still have my old socket 1155 motherboard on the shelf and it's 22nm CPU-ready according to the BIOS. But then again I'll lose too much money just selling my i7 3930k and keeping my socket 2011 motherboard since it's to late to return the motherboard for a refund. I'm not selling the motherboard with a squealing problem when C-states are enabled and if it's possible that I could sell it I most likely would get very little for the motherboard because of this problem. This means too much money would be lost and then very little to show for if I go Ivy Bridge according to the amount of money I spent on my 3930k and P9X79 Pro.

RMA the motherboard? it is obviously defective...
 

Dave3000

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RMA the motherboard? it is obviously defective...

Can't be 2 weeks without a computer, in fact I can't be a day without a computer since I use my PC for work besides gaming. I will still call the manufacturer of the motherboard later today about the squealing problem and see if they can cross-ship a replacement motherboard to me, I mean my motherboard is still useable and stable condition.
 

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Don't let the bad numbers so far coming out influence you on ivy. At 4.6ghz with an H80 I max out at 74C after an hour of playing bf3. Only time temps skyrocket is in IBT
I don't understand why you defend the Ivy Bridge cpus so much. from what you and some reviews have shown, it appears to be a pretty awful cpu when it comes to temps and overclocking. hitting 74 C in any game with a 22nm non HT Ivy Bridge with an H80 sounds like a bad joke. I dont even hit that in IBT with a 32nm Sandy Bridge at 4.4 using just an A70 on the low fan speed. in games I have never even hit 60 C again even with using the low fan speed.
 
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Don Karnage

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I don't understand why you defend the Ivy Bridge cpus so much. from what you and some reviews have shown, it appears to be a pretty awful cpu when it comes to temps and overclocking. hitting 74 C in any game with a 22nm non HT Ivy Bridge with an H80 sounds like a bad joke. I dont even hit that in IBT with a 32nm Sandy Bridge at 4.4 using just an A70 on the low fan speed. in games I have never even hit 60 C again even with using the low fan speed.

Not really defending it. More of just stating opinions. For 99% of people out there who don't overclock these chips are amazing. They'll be great in laptops and Oem's. For the 1% who overclock they pretty much suck but then again why should intel care about the 1%? They'd go bankrupt if they just catered to us.

They'll break records with extreme cooling and alienate a lot who want to run a Hyper 212+. If you have a 2500K/2600K and don't plan on spending the $$$ to go with a 150 dollar Rasa kit don't even bother buying Ivy because you will be extremely unhappy
 
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... If you have a 2500K/2600K and don't plan on spending the $$$ to go with a 150 dollar Rasa kit don't even bother buying Ivy because you will be extremely unhappy

I was under the impression that water cooling won't give much better results than air cooling. Am I wrong? I remember reading you didn't receive your rasa kit initially, did you ever get to try the cpu water cooled?
 

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Sandybridge being relevant for 2 years makes it an absolute bargain, especially for those who just took a loan out for a 28nm videocard.
 

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Can't be 2 weeks without a computer, in fact I can't be a day without a computer since I use my PC for work besides gaming. I will still call the manufacturer of the motherboard later today about the squealing problem and see if they can cross-ship a replacement motherboard to me, I mean my motherboard is still useable and stable condition.

I have this problem on my Asus P6T WS Pro with a 920.

I disabled C1E the day I assembled the system, back in May 2009.

Did not realise it effected turbo mode.
 
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Dave3000

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I have this problem on my Asus P6T WS Pro with a 920.

I disabled C1E the day I assembled the system, back in May 2009.

Did not realise it effected turbo mode.

I also had this squealing problem with a Gigabyte X58 UD4P motherboard when I had an i7 920. It was worse on that board because it would also squeal while moving the mouse if I had any of the C-state options enabled in the BIOS with Vcore on Auto or Normal setting. I returned that board and bought the same one at a different store location and it still had the same squealing problem so I decided to just disable all the C-states options in the BIOS as a workaround to that problem. I tried a different brand board and it would not boot up.

Disabling C1E does not cripple the turbo boost. Disabling C3 and C6 states cripple the turbo boost but not totally disable the turbo boost.

Anyways I called Asus about the problem with my P9X79 Pro, got an Case#, and now I'm waiting for email from Asus to get the RMA started. They said they could do an advanced RMA. I hope I'm not wasting my time and money (shipping) RMA'ing the board.
 

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I was thinking of maybe downgrading to an i7 3820 from an i7 3930k because MC has the i7 3820 on sale for $249.99 right now. I don't really seem to being taking advantage of all 6 cores except in FSX where I get a little shorter load times and a little quicker texture loading, but that's all I'm seeing in terms of gaming. Even if I decided to sell my i7 3930 and replacement motherboard (if it doesn't have the squealing problem), I would be out lots of money, and barely anything to show for after losing all the money. I'd guess I would lose around $260-$300 after shipping, Ebay, and Paypal fees. Used motherboards don't seem to have as good resale value as used processors based on what I see.
 

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Can go to 3820 for now... LGA2011 should have some longevity. Already has 8-core/16 threaded CPUs. You can wait a few years for a drop-in upgrade to a high-end IVB-E or SB-E 8 core or maybe even 10-core
 

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I also had this squealing problem with a Gigabyte X58 UD4P motherboard when I had an i7 920. It was worse on that board because it would also squeal while moving the mouse if I had any of the C-state options enabled in the BIOS with Vcore on Auto or Normal setting. I returned that board and bought the same one at a different store location and it still had the same squealing problem so I decided to just disable all the C-states options in the BIOS as a workaround to that problem. I tried a different brand board and it would not boot up.

Disabling C1E does not cripple the turbo boost. Disabling C3 and C6 states cripple the turbo boost but not totally disable the turbo boost.

Anyways I called Asus about the problem with my P9X79 Pro, got an Case#, and now I'm waiting for email from Asus to get the RMA started. They said they could do an advanced RMA. I hope I'm not wasting my time and money (shipping) RMA'ing the board.

To be honest I stayed ignorant to what C1E and other C states actually did other than knowing it was something to do with power management. I read up on it last night after posting.

It seems it effects turbo mode only in single threaded apps in that the other CPU cores will not down clock enough in order for the turbo mode to hit its peak for one core only, if that makes any sense.

This morning I enabled all the states again, the sqealing was not nearly as bad as it was when I first built the system - I upgraded to Win 7 from Vista, new SSD, sound card and video card since I built this back in May 2009. I tested Arma 2: OA and it made shit all difference to performance, CPUz reported CPU clock running at 2.8GHz. So I disabled C states and tried Arma 2 again, CPU clock still running at 2.8GHz and no difference in performance in Arma 2. I know this chips max turbo mode is 2.9Ghz in single threaded apps, but 100Mhz is nothing.

The PC felt less snappy with C states enabled as well, there was a slight delay when opening Windows explorer objects. In fact my motherboard had the 'C State Tech' (C2, C3, C4) option in BIOS disabled by default. I read on the ASUS forums it is reccomended to keep this disabled for the home user but keep C1E enabled.

How did the 2600K handle C states? I take it this CPU was silent?

Have you benchmarked any games with your 3930K, with and without C states enabled? Your activity in this thread has been very useful for me as I am considering upgrading to the LGA2011 platform myself.

I was thinking of maybe downgrading to an i7 3820 from an i7 3930k because MC has the i7 3820 on sale for $249.99 right now. I don't really seem to being taking advantage of all 6 cores except in FSX where I get a little shorter load times and a little quicker texture loading, but that's all I'm seeing in terms of gaming. Even if I decided to sell my i7 3930 and replacement motherboard (if it doesn't have the squealing problem), I would be out lots of money, and barely anything to show for after losing all the money. I'd guess I would lose around $260-$300 after shipping, Ebay, and Paypal fees. Used motherboards don't seem to have as good resale value as used processors based on what I see.

Sounds like you are a bit of a perfectionist like me, you want everything working correctly, having to disable features, even with minimum performance impact still feels like a destitute on the overall build. More so if you have come from something which performed the same and but cost you more money to build.

The thing is the 3930K is a very good chip, and you might not see any increase in performance now but you do not know what is round the corner. I heard BF3 does take advantage of more than 8 threads, and people on this forum who have upgraded from a 2600K to a 3930K have said the overall smoothness has increased in 64 player BF3.

It reminds me of back end 2007 when the Q6600 could be had for about £250, everyone was reccomending higher clocked dual cores as they were "faster for gaming" and only quad core chips should be considered if you was doing rendering or such like. Look how that turned out...

I upgraded from a E8500 C2D to the i7 920 and some of the older games I played at the time (mostly Red Orchestra) felt less smooth on the 920 than the E8500. In todays apps there is no way the E8500 would have been a better solution than the 920 if I had based my perception of performance just on those older games at that time.

Ivy will no doubt be faster in current games than the six core 2011 chips, but I think the performance will be negligible when it comes down to actually been able to tell a difference. At the end of the day you have some serious professional grade kit with the LGA 2011 platform and I think the 2011 6 core chips will have a longer lifespan overall.
 
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The higher end chipsets (X48 / X58 / X79) tend to have a longer lifespan 2-3+ years and will be able to accomodate some higher end chips (8 and 10 core like said above) in the future. The X79 should be good well into 2014.

Downgrading is almost always a losing proposition like driving a new car off of the car lot. You could go for a 3820 and get a few benjamins back, though.

Are you running that thing in a 4X4GB quad channel setup?
 

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are you really surprised that you didn't see a tangible improvement? it's well known that the 2500k is just as capable for gaming as any other cpu on the market, let alone the 2600k. *especially* when you consider that they can easily be overclocked.