World summit on UN's future heads for chaos

conjur

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1566848,00.html?gusrc=rss
The British government is mounting a huge diplomatic effort this weekend to prevent the biggest-ever summit of world leaders, designed to tackle poverty and overhaul the United Nations, ending in chaos.

The Guardian has learned that Jack Straw, the foreign secretary, has made a personal plea to his American counterpart, Condoleezza Rice, for the US to withdraw opposition to plans for wholesale reform of the UN. He has asked Ms Rice to rein in John Bolton, the US ambassador to the world body.

Mr Bolton has thrown the reform negotiations into disarray by demanding a catalogue of late changes to a 40-page draft document which is due to go before the summit in New York on Wednesday.


Mr Bolton, one of the US administration hawks, became ambassador last month only after a long confrontation with the US senate, mainly caused by his ideological dislike of the UN.

The foreign secretary is planning to make calls to fellow ministers around the world over the weekend.

Mr Straw spoke to Ms Rice in a three-way conference call last Tuesday organised by Kofi Annan, the UN secretary general, to try to break the deadlock.

Mr Annan has been weakened by the criticisms voiced this week by an inquiry into the UN's running of the Iraq oil-for-food programme and needs a successful summit to avoid renewed calls for his resignation.

The British government, in a rare divergence from the US, is fully behind Mr Annan's reforms and fears the summit will fail to build on the agreements on aid reached at the G8 summit at Gleneagles.

Aid agencies and other international groups monitoring the talks expressed fears yesterday that ambitious goals on aid, protection of civilians and curbs on the arms trade will be lost.

Nicola Reindrop, head of the New York office of Oxfam International, said: "Negotiations are on the verge of collapse."

A representative of another group, at a lunch with Mr Annan on Thursday, described the negotiations as "imploding".

Ambassadors at the 191-member UN remained divided last night, three days after the deadline for completion of the draft document had passed. Talks will continue over the weekend. Monday has been set as the new deadline.

The summit, to which 175 world leaders have accepted invitations and which has been in the planning for more than a year, is billed as making the UN fit for the 21st century.

The three-day summit begins on Wednesday, with each leader allocated five minutes at the podium, a minimum of 14 hours of speeches. But the real diplomacy will take place behind the scenes.

The summit document is due to be unveiled next Friday. Proposals include:

· meeting the millennium development goals that would halve poverty by 2015 and make sure everyone has access to primary education;

· setting up a peace-building commission to help with post-conflict reconstruction;

· creating a human rights council;

· introducing a responsibility to protect citizens from genocide, much tougher than existing international obligations;

· imposing curbs on the arms trade;

· reforming the UN bureaucracy, particularly after the oil-for-food scandal;

· defining "terrorism".

But there are still more than 200 points of disagreement in the document.

Although the US has emerged as the leading opponent of the reform package, objections have also been lodged by some governments from the Non-Aligned Movement, which represents much of the developing world.

Ricardo Alarcon, speaker of the Cuban parliament, whose hopes of attending the summit along with President Fidel Castro were dashed when he was denied a visa by the US, said in Havana the summit "has been totally devalued, its original purpose kidnapped".

Although there has been little movement over the last few days, the mood in New York among diplomats was marginally more optimistic yesterday.

Mr Bolton has so far made only one significant concession, dropping his demand for the term "millennium development goals" to be deleted.

But Mr Bolton said the US will not renew a promise to pay 0.7% of gross domestic product towards aid, regarded as necessary for meeting the millennium development goals.

Controls on arms is likely to be dropped.
But agreement is almost certain on creation of the human rights council. A deal could be reached on the peace-building commission, in spite of disagreements over who should run it.

There is a divide over the definition of terrorism, with pro-Palestinian states objecting that the proposed terminology be amended to exclude Palestinian fighters.

The most significant reform, expansion of the 15-member security council to about 25 members, has been shelved until at least December.
Looks like the bull is tearing up the china shop and he, nor his handlers, give a sh*t.

Cutting back on aid to developing countries and not putting controls on arms sales (which is quite lucrative to the US military-industrial complex) is just mind-bogglingly stupid.

But, we all knew that Bolton was going to be like this and the Propagandist scooted Bolton in there using a measure typically meant for emergency situations. But, like a whiny third-grader, he gets way.
 

slyedog

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glad to see bolton doing his job. he won't let all this corruption continue. of course the libs never see corruption in the UN
 
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But Mr Bolton said the US will not renew a promise to pay 0.7% of gross domestic product towards aid, regarded as necessary for meeting the millennium development goals.

This might actually be OK to a certain degree.
 
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Originally posted by: slyedog
glad to see bolton doing his job. he won't let all this corruption continue. of course the libs never see corruption in the UN

I don't know if Bolton is a good candidate for this or not, but hopefully he'll implement some good (hopefully) change to the UN.
 

Starbuck1975

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Mr Bolton has thrown the reform negotiations into disarray by demanding a catalogue of late changes to a 40-page draft document which is due to go before the summit in New York on Wednesday.
What's wrong with expecting documentation of changes to a draft document designed to reform the UN...or should the US simply sign such an important document blindly.

Although the US has emerged as the leading opponent of the reform package, objections have also been lodged by some governments from the Non-Aligned Movement, which represents much of the developing world.
Many of the objectives of this UN reform are designed to help the developing world..why would developing nations disagree, unless of course the reforms as documented have very little tangible benefit to the nations they are envisioned to help.

There is a divide over the definition of terrorism, with pro-Palestinian states objecting that the proposed terminology be amended to exclude Palestinian fighters.
The usually game of semantics will shelve this reform document.

The concept of an international consensus on anything is laughable at best.
 

CanOWorms

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I don't see anything wrong with asking for a catalog of the changes. I'm wondering if there are some pro-colonialism/genocide aspects added to it and that's why the UK objects to such a request.
 

zendari

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But, we all knew that Bolton was going to be like this and the Propagandist scooted Bolton in there using a measure typically meant for emergency situations. But, like a whiny third-grader, he gets way.
Clinton made 140 recess appointments.

Go Bolton!
 

conjur

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Yeah...real amazing.


:roll:



We have a co-founder of the PNAC as our UN ambassador. Yay for us.
 

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
But Mr Bolton said the US will not renew a promise to pay 0.7% of gross domestic product towards aid, regarded as necessary for meeting the millennium development goals.

This might actually be OK to a certain degree.

To which degree? (As far as I know the UN recomended this percentage to all developed nations but only 3 nations in northern Europe spend this amount at the moment)
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: conjur
Yeah...real amazing.


:roll:



We have a co-founder of the PNAC as our UN ambassador. Yay for us.

heh, im thinking pretty soon he will knock out someone at the UN. go John Bolton!

:heart:John Bolton:heart:
 
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Originally posted by: chcarnage
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
But Mr Bolton said the US will not renew a promise to pay 0.7% of gross domestic product towards aid, regarded as necessary for meeting the millennium development goals.

This might actually be OK to a certain degree.

To which degree? (As far as I know the UN recomended this percentage to all developed nations but only 3 nations in northern Europe spend this amount at the moment)

I believe that there could be certain points of interest in regards to this. First, it doesn't factor in the money that a government collects from its taxes. Perhaps a system of that percent would be better. In addition, some countries seem to be giving aid essentially to their own neighbors. Since the general European community is trying to create a 'United States of Europe' (as someone else mentioned), this type of aid is truly suspicious to be counted. The data shows that the European Community as a whole supports the following areas as their top 4 donations: Poland, Romania, ex-Yugoslavia states, Lithuania. However, if these countries (well 3 of them) donations are not counted in their percentages, then this is fine and this point is far less significant. This same point should be applied to the US if Israel is also included in its numbers.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: slyedog
glad to see bolton doing his job. he won't let all this corruption continue. of course the libs never see corruption in the UN

I don't know if Bolton is a good candidate for this or not, but hopefully he'll implement some good (hopefully) change to the UN.

As far as I'm concerned, ANY change is good for the U.N.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: conjur



We have a co-founder of the PNAC as our UN ambassador. Yay for us.

The PNAC moving into world power everywhere. Of course, appointed by force from one neocon to another. Time will run out on these bastards.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: conjur



We have a co-founder of the PNAC as our UN ambassador. Yay for us.

The PNAC moving into world power everywhere. Of course, appointed by force from one neocon to another. Time will run out on these bastards.

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. ;)
 

Deudalus

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Umm, this is exactly why I wanted Bolton to go to the UN.

He is a pain in the ass and he will complain and gripe at the UN until maybe it will be something more than a debating club.
 

Jhhnn

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The neocons seek to prevent the UN from becoming anything more than an ineffectual forum and a whipping boy, and it looks like Bolton will effectively advance that agenda.

No, it'll likely never become the rubberstamp for American policy that they'd like, so they'll just trash it instead.

Us against Them!

With Us or Against Us!

My Way or the Highway!
 

yllus

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I actually think this is great. No more rubberstamping just because it's the United Nations we're talking about, and this is all pointless anyways. Who wants more of this:
There is a divide over the definition of terrorism, with pro-Palestinian states objecting that the proposed terminology be amended to exclude Palestinian fighters.
How much do you want to bet that that little concession makes its way in? Considering 60%+ of the UN is made up of non-elected governments you'd think that people would have come to the realization already that going with the flow might not necessarily be the best idea.

To clarify: This sounds like it's going to be a nice, pretty little piece of paper for some idealogues to trot out from time to time, but otherwise stays out of view in someone's desk drawer. I'm hardly the only person to share this view:
A long-serving UN worker said: ?They?ll end up with something saying we believe in love and peace. But it?s not what you say, but what actions you take afterwards.? Whether the UN is able to deliver is an open question. ?The fact that Kofi Annan is still in power despite scandal after scandal is testament to the fact that the UN has no moral compass,? said Nile Gardiner, a UN expert at the right-wing Heritage Foundation.
Or in US Senator Norm Coleman's words: "Reform is a process. Putting out an outcome document is not reform...the ?UN needs to be more transparent."
 

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The neocons seek to prevent the UN from becoming anything more than an ineffectual forum and a whipping boy, and it looks like Bolton will effectively advance that agenda

What??


Bolton is rufusing to pander to corruption and you come back with he is trying to make the U.N. more ineffective than it already is??? The U.N.is toothless to the extreme!! It has done nothing in Africa for years, despite genocide after genocide. Perhaps that is because there is no real money to be made from stopping it. The united States has supported his bloated ineffective group for waaaayyy too long.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: conjur
Yeah...real amazing.


:roll:



We have a co-founder of the PNAC as our UN ambassador. Yay for us.

heh, im thinking pretty soon he will knock out someone at the UN. go John Bolton!

:heart:John Bolton:heart:

Unlikely, he's a prototypical bully . . . big talk but weak between the ears and the legs. He wouldn't dare step to anyone at the UN b/c a diplomat can bust your arse and claim immunity.

Bull in a china shop is a great analogy . . . big, dumb and mad about missing equipment.
 

Jhhnn

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Heh. Not surprising that maluckey would gulp down the admin's agitprop- hook, line, and sinker.

Here's an example of just how Bolton is "refusing to pander to corruption"-

http://www.prospect.org/weblog/archives/2005/09/index.html

Yep, the good old fundie fringe approach to AIDS prevention and education, demanding an adoption and endorsement of what amounts to an "abstinence only" policy by the UN. I'm confident that many other of the "changes" he's promoting fall in a similar vein...

The reference to the ongoing slaughters in Africa is also extremely disingenuous, much of which is promoted and facilitated by the arms trade, which Bolton insists must be allowed to continue... that's where the money is made in the business of genocide, much of it by Bush cronies...

I won't argue that the UN is often ineffective. That's true. OTOH, the Bushistas have made it clear that situation is quite by intention on their part, and that they intend to keep it that way. References to the corruption in the oil for food program are merely an expression of jealousy- they apparently didn't get their cut.